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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: myc_ousin_vinny]
#27233117 - 03/02/21 04:15 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm not getting much love in the agar thread with my Holy Grail plate quality/etc questions.
I'm guessing it's due to the visibility of the HG plates?
Would you be opposed to creating a Holy Grail agar plate comparison/show off thread Mr. Alien? I don't want to dirty up your tek thread with a bunch of "how does this plate look" stuff.
Cooking up some Holy Grailβ’ no-pour agar plates today
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: myc_ousin_vinny]
#27233118 - 03/02/21 04:17 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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My pillowy ravioli myc with neat rhizo forming at the edges.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: myc_ousin_vinny]
#27234572 - 03/03/21 02:37 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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myc_ousin_vinny said: I'm not getting much love in the agar thread with my Holy Grail plate quality/etc questions.
I'm guessing it's due to the visibility of the HG plates?
Would you be opposed to creating a Holy Grail agar plate comparison/show off thread Mr. Alien? I don't want to dirty up your tek thread with a bunch of "how does this plate look" stuff.
Cooking up some Holy Grailβ’ no-pour agar plates today 
Done, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27234571 show the new showoff thread some
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#27244748 - 03/09/21 10:06 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr. Alien, from what I gather stacking is the critical part to less condensation. Are the tin/jar containers only used to keep the plates stacked while in the PC and cooling process or do they serve another purpose as well?
If that is their soul purpose would PCg time change if not stacked in jars but in fabric sheaths with empty jars placed next to them (as opposed to over them) as a means of keeping the sheathed plates upright during the PC process?
The idea is a one-time assured alignment stack (as high as your homemade sheath and PC height allows) through PCg, cooling, to storage.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Threads2theSoul]
#27244800 - 03/09/21 10:35 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ordered some of these last night. Will try them out tomorrow.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Professor X]
#27247236 - 03/10/21 07:34 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I told a friend of mine about the trick I discovered to get zero condensation on all plates. He tried it out, only he didn't put the plates inside jars or tins or even stack them; he just set them on the trivet spaced up a bit from the water, PC'd one hour, removed the plates and used the brownie pan trick and still got 100% condensation free plates.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Hindsight]
#27247908 - 03/11/21 09:32 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I achieved no condensation very easily without jars or stacking. I poured and waited till cooled to put cap on, pced, while still warm I took out and placed a baking tray on top of them and filled with very hot tap water. Zero condensation in a few hours. Might have taken less time but that was my first go.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: kidcharlemagne]
#27247945 - 03/11/21 10:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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kidcharlemagne said: I achieved no condensation very easily without jars or stacking. I poured and waited till cooled to put cap on, pced, while still warm I took out and placed a baking tray on top of them and filled with very hot tap water. Zero condensation in a few hours. Might have taken less time but that was my first go.
So basically this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27184423#27184423
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Hindsight]
#27248034 - 03/11/21 11:07 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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kidcharlemagne said: I achieved no condensation very easily without jars or stacking. I poured and waited till cooled to put cap on, pced, while still warm I took out and placed a baking tray on top of them and filled with very hot tap water. Zero condensation in a few hours. Might have taken less time but that was my first go.
So basically this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27184423#27184423
Doh! Exactly that. Sorry, certainly didn't mean to steal any thunder. Great minds as they say.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: kidcharlemagne]
#27248109 - 03/11/21 11:46 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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kidcharlemagne said: I achieved no condensation very easily without jars or stacking. I poured and waited till cooled to put cap on, pced, while still warm I took out and placed a baking tray on top of them and filled with very hot tap water. Zero condensation in a few hours. Might have taken less time but that was my first go.
So basically this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27184423#27184423
Doh! Exactly that. Sorry, certainly didn't mean to steal any thunder. Great minds as they say.
No thunder stolen brother - I myself "stole" a couple other's ideas and combined them with a couple of my own ideas to come up with this technique anyway so I can't take full credit for everything. I just hope people see it so they can get clear plates easily, and even after posting it I keep seeing people asking questions about avoiding condensation These long threads do make it tough to mine information though so I get it. I'll have to give yours a try because hot tap water without a cover and blankets and leaving it sit just a couple hours seems easier and quicker than mine.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Hindsight]
#27248347 - 03/11/21 01:55 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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kidcharlemagne said: I achieved no condensation very easily without jars or stacking. I poured and waited till cooled to put cap on, pced, while still warm I took out and placed a baking tray on top of them and filled with very hot tap water. Zero condensation in a few hours. Might have taken less time but that was my first go.
So basically this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27184423#27184423
Doh! Exactly that. Sorry, certainly didn't mean to steal any thunder. Great minds as they say.
No thunder stolen brother - I myself "stole" a couple other's ideas and combined them with a couple of my own ideas to come up with this technique anyway so I can't take full credit for everything. I just hope people see it so they can get clear plates easily, and even after posting it I keep seeing people asking questions about avoiding condensation These long threads do make it tough to mine information though so I get it. I'll have to give yours a try because hot tap water without a cover and blankets and leaving it sit just a couple hours seems easier and quicker than mine.
Just FYI my tap water gets scalding hot. I also topped off the pan with a large thin silicon cutting mat for heat retention - prob should have mentioned that. I see you used foil/tray tops. Should def have something I'd imagine.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: kidcharlemagne]
#27248389 - 03/11/21 02:32 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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kidcharlemagne said: Just FYI my tap water gets scalding hot. I also topped off the pan with a large thin silicon cutting mat for heat retention - prob should have mentioned that. I see you used foil/tray tops. Should def have something I'd imagine.
Ok mine definitely doesn't get that hot but I'll give it a shot anyway and see if it's hot enough. Otherwise it sounds pretty similar since we both use lids, but I may try it without blankets over the lids for faster cooling and see if that gives it enough time to evaporate the condensation. I did try it with open pans and no cover at all (foil or lid) and it wasn't enough.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Hindsight]
#27249424 - 03/12/21 07:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I usually get 3 or so I can use right away using the mason jar technique.
Doesn't the warming up of the plates with condensation (cookie sheet, heating pad etc) just cause condensation to "go away" temporarily? That has been my experience.
Unscrewing the HG container a good bit (almost all the way) and letting them sit for a while (a week?) did the trick to rid them of condensation, for me.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: myc_ousin_vinny]
#27249472 - 03/12/21 07:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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myc_ousin_vinny said: Doesn't the warming up of the plates with condensation (cookie sheet, heating pad etc) just cause condensation to "go away" temporarily? That has been my experience.
In my tests and experiments, that is only true if the agar has solidified before you apply the brownie pans filled with hot water on top of them. The hotter the air temps, the more moisture the air can hold as vapor. So the hot brownie pans will vaporize the condensation into the air due to heating up the air, and then when the pans cool down, the air in the plates cools until it hits the dew-point and then the moisture has nowhere to go except to condense on top of the agar and on the lids of the plates. On the other hand, if the agar is still in liquid state, it will absorb the moisture in the air and by the time the brownie pans have cooled, all the moisture has been absorbed by the agar, and the agar has solidified and locked it in so it can't re-evaporate.
I've tried cooking the plates inside jars, and also outside jars just naked in the PC, and in both cases, applying the brownie pans after. The brownie pan trick works in both scenarios, but I do find the plates have much more condensation in them directly out of the PC if they are cooked naked, and the more condensation they have when you start the brownie pan application, the harder it is to get them to clear up. The brownie pan trick still works 100% of the time but on my tests with cooking naked plates in the PC, I might get one or two plates that show just a faint hint of condensation coming back even after the brownie pan treatment. Also, the more condensation you start with, the more staining you'll have on the inside of the lid from the evaporated condensation (kind of like water spots on your car if you wash it and don't dry it off after). So for that reason, I'm going to stick with cooking the plates in jars then use the brownie pan trick after.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Hindsight]
#27257749 - 03/17/21 04:27 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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How are you guys getting rid of the agar once used or contaminated for reuse?
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: citywok]
#27257924 - 03/17/21 06:33 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Throw it in the compost, flush it down the toilet, put it through the garbage disposal, or put a few in a quart jar with hot water, shake, and pour the liquid down the drain or in the yard.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Hindsight]
#27265480 - 03/23/21 05:37 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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What do you guys use/do to label your petris? Is there a marker that won't rub off but will come off with a solvent, or easily removable stickers? Thanks!
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: kidcharlemagne]
#27265496 - 03/23/21 06:03 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sharpie wipes off pretty easy with iso.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Doctor Mario]
#27265975 - 03/23/21 12:11 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got tired of using iso to remove market, prefer stickers.
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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#27265978 - 03/23/21 12:15 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am on team Sharpie and Iso. I have found that red is a lot harder to clean off with iso than black, for whatever that is worth.
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