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OfflineNear Dylan
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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: chibiabos]
    #26373250 - 12/10/19 02:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I always hear people totally misrepresent Athenian democracy and its always in a different, more simplified way.



There's about as simplified of a rundown as you could get without cutting out crucial details. I majored and mastered in Classics and about 80% of that time was spent trying to get a good idea of how the Athenian Constitution and Spartan Constitutions worked, and I still don't really get it that much.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: Zyiadem]
    #26373356 - 12/10/19 03:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Can we stop referencing 300 year old thoughts on government. The whole system needs to be redesigned without the opinions of people who have been dead for 200 years



The 2080s have yet to come.  And no.  We can't ignore the past several hundred years of the history of our civilization and we can't ignore the philosophy that came concurrently with, and as a result of, it.  Not unless you're okay with spearheading an anti-intellectual movement that basically leaves the worst parts of our society free to just nonchalantly revise history while you cocoon yourself in self-adulating pabulum, I mean.

Incidentally, a lot of your opinions about politics that you take for granted and just shrug off as being "natural" were probably pretty heavily shaped by The Federalist Papers, notwithstanding the fact that Tea Party dipshits kept singing its praises.  If they'd actually read it then they probably would have bitched about it being some sort of a left wing anti-freedom screed.




That needed to be said.

Literally all of the reasons stated by OP were thought of in the making of the checks and balances that allow America to remain as a single country. Despite the imbalance that you see from the way our government runs, the alternative is a dissolution of the nation. Just because you think the majority of people should decide, there is a lot of land and opinions between NY and CA. The people who provide all the food for those in the cities, if you think their opinions don't matter and disrespect what their religious views are, they will revolt/leave the union and not do business with you.

If CA and NY legalized abortion across the board you'd have a revolt from WY that's where all the fucking mormons are. Further than that if you broke the country down to legal opinions on matters large cities would be single leftist countries surrounded by larger less populous right leaning countries. Allowing wars to be waged between them due to a new boundaries and very clear definition of where opposing views are originating.




In the first place he U.S. Supreme Court legalized abortion across the board in the mid 70's and that is still the law of the land, despite peckerwood states trying to circumvent the constitution that says the judiciary interprets the law.

Second, fuck Wyoming. not the physical geography or the animals. Just the people.

Also Wyoming doesn't grow food. Iowa that has a few electoral votes that vote red and Illinois that has a lot of electoral votes that vote blue grow the food.

You're entitled to a conservative ideology. You're not entitled to broadcast the facts incorrectly.


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Offlinechibiabos
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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26373366 - 12/10/19 03:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Near Dylan said:
I always hear people totally misrepresent Athenian democracy and its always in a different, more simplified way.



There's about as simplified of a rundown as you could get without cutting out crucial details. I majored and mastered in Classics and about 80% of that time was spent trying to get a good idea of how the Athenian Constitution and Spartan Constitutions worked, and I still don't really get it that much.



Did they have constitutions?  Or even really have stable forms of government over the years?


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: chibiabos]
    #26373367 - 12/10/19 03:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yes


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: Zyiadem]
    #26373590 - 12/10/19 04:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Zyiadem said:
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chibiabos said:
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koods said:
Can we stop referencing 300 year old thoughts on government. The whole system needs to be redesigned without the opinions of people who have been dead for 200 years



The 2080s have yet to come.  And no.  We can't ignore the past several hundred years of the history of our civilization and we can't ignore the philosophy that came concurrently with, and as a result of, it.  Not unless you're okay with spearheading an anti-intellectual movement that basically leaves the worst parts of our society free to just nonchalantly revise history while you cocoon yourself in self-adulating pabulum, I mean.

Incidentally, a lot of your opinions about politics that you take for granted and just shrug off as being "natural" were probably pretty heavily shaped by The Federalist Papers, notwithstanding the fact that Tea Party dipshits kept singing its praises.  If they'd actually read it then they probably would have bitched about it being some sort of a left wing anti-freedom screed.




That needed to be said.

Literally all of the reasons stated by OP were thought of in the making of the checks and balances that allow America to remain as a single country. Despite the imbalance that you see from the way our government runs, the alternative is a dissolution of the nation. Just because you think the majority of people should decide, there is a lot of land and opinions between NY and CA. The people who provide all the food for those in the cities, if you think their opinions don't matter and disrespect what their religious views are, they will revolt/leave the union and not do business with you.

If CA and NY legalized abortion across the board you'd have a revolt from WY that's where all the fucking mormons are. Further than that if you broke the country down to legal opinions on matters large cities would be single leftist countries surrounded by larger less populous right leaning countries. Allowing wars to be waged between them due to a new boundaries and very clear definition of where opposing views are originating.




Abortion is legal everywhere. Legal abortions were forced upon states that banned it in 1973.

This argument is totally disjointed. What you seem to be arguing is that it’s not fair for a minority opinion to lose to the majority. That somehow it’s better if the majority live with rules set by the minority. It’s laughable.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: koods]
    #26373604 - 12/10/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The moment the senate changed from appointed by state legislatures to elected by the people, it lost its role as the body that represented the states’ governmental interests.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: koods]
    #26373635 - 12/10/19 05:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Now it's just another pesky layer of bureaucratic impulse control.


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