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Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish * 2
    #26373143 - 12/10/19 01:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Boop - you fuckers are toxic and dont deserve this tek so eat shit
Mod edit.  He put agar to coir with no grain


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
    #26373153 - 12/10/19 01:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
    #26373161 - 12/10/19 01:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit...if true, OP could be onto something huge here.

I thought we have to use grain spawn cause coir has a low nutrient content.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
    #26373183 - 12/10/19 01:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm assuming you don't shake the jars to speed colonization either?

So if no contams, how many flushes do you get?

Have you tried mixing spawn with sub or only spot spawning into the tub?


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
    #26373196 - 12/10/19 01:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26373199 - 12/10/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well the traditional reason for using grain spawn is several-fold; its an excellent food source for the mushies, it provides lots of air gaps, it makes spawn more manageable into something like seed-form which we humans like, easily broken up, its nicely encapsulated, cheap and incredibly abundant...

but yea. I'm going to keep going with this coir-only method as it makes a lot of sense to me, but we'll see. I don't even know what to do with all these shrooms man, I think I'll start experimenting with extracts. I saw a video on making risotto, where they soak dry mushrooms in water overnight and squeeze them out the next day to get a very strong broth, thinking I'll try that with the magic kind and see about evaporating the water...


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
    #26373219 - 12/10/19 02:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

M’kay, risotto is great, but you gonna poast pics or wut? Lol don’t leave us hanging here...


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: LadysKnight]
    #26373227 - 12/10/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You can TOTALLY shake the jars. Just dont wait too long or it gets a bit more difficult yea. I usually shake around 30-50%


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
    #26373231 - 12/10/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This is something I want to believe, but also seems too good to be true.  Pics please!  :smile:


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Growtech]
    #26373237 - 12/10/19 02:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Wouldn’t shaking get your filter wet? Deff can’t shake if you use poly, right?


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26373241 - 12/10/19 02:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Seems reasonable to me given that we spawn to coir to such a large degree and that RR has said coir is nutricious, cronicr has said something to that degree, cant remeber exactly what

I have 2-3 pure coir jars but they are hella slow to colonize



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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26373243 - 12/10/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Fungi love coir:shrug:


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26373247 - 12/10/19 02:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Seems reasonable to me given that we spawn to coir to such a large degree and that RR has said coir is nutricious, cronicr has said something to that degree, cant remeber exactly what

I have 2-3 pure coir jars but they are hella slow to colonize




Of course you do lol. I’d rub it in everyone’s face if I was you. At least 1 instance of you “crazy” experiments working for you, not against you.
I don’t think I’m the only one who’s gonna want to try this myself, and you’re way ahead of us.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26373253 - 12/10/19 02:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Fungi love coir:shrug:




Well wtf is the point of using grain than? This is making my brain implode...


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26373256 - 12/10/19 02:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The TCs have been hustling us all the time:cool:


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26373263 - 12/10/19 02:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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Fungi love coir:shrug:




Well wtf is the point of using grain than? This is making my brain implode...



Fungi love grain:shrug:
Mix them up


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26373264 - 12/10/19 02:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The coir shouldn't be 'wet', field capacity is where you take a fistful, squeeze the fuck out of it until maybe a dribble or so comes out.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
    #26373269 - 12/10/19 02:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The TCs have been hustling us all the time:cool:



Don't go believing everything you read lol.
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26373272 - 12/10/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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Seems reasonable to me given that we spawn to coir to such a large degree and that RR has said coir is nutricious, cronicr has said something to that degree, cant remeber exactly what

I have 2-3 pure coir jars but they are hella slow to colonize




Of course you do lol. I’d rub it in everyone’s face if I was you. At least 1 instance of you “crazy” experiments working for you, not against you.
I don’t think I’m the only one who’s gonna want to try this myself, and you’re way ahead of us.






is anyone surprised by this? ofc I was running
a few coir jars immediatly. all i read was that
coir was substrate material and that it was
best cooked. that was reason enough to try,
and if the "pre eat " theory is correct
your speeding up colonization when you

spawn coir to coir

@cronic and @mushboy:

he changed his OP to include pics*

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^

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26373273 - 12/10/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:camping:

This sounds fun! Thinking of trying it as well. So far we have 1 replication of the jar colonizing part, by meaculpa, but it's very slow?


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26373275 - 12/10/19 02:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The speed may very well may depend on how well your particular genetics take to lignin/cellulose. The more wood-friendly it is, I would guess the better it would do on coir-only. I also usually add a couple (small) wedges to the jars, not just one. Same principle of multiple inoculation points as grain. You could also boil some grains in water and hydrate your coir with THAT, if they're really grain-loving.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26373278 - 12/10/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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cronicr said:
Quote:

feldman114 said:
Quote:

cronicr said:
Fungi love coir:shrug:




Well wtf is the point of using grain than? This is making my brain implode...



Fungi love grain:shrug:
Mix them up





🤯 I dun get it. We’ve been soaking/simmering/drying/PCing grains, making filter lids, etc., when we can just add water to some coir instead? ...then open the jar to mix instead of shaking because coir barely ever contams?

Pleeeaaase tell me there’s a catch. Because, otherwise, this must be true:
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The TCs have been hustling us all the time:cool:




Edit: phew ok, thanks cronie, you da bestest.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: curious.psychonaut]
    #26373279 - 12/10/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

that might be woo and hoohaa, or lid-related, we cant base ourselves on that. anyways the big question is how well pure coir will fruit, if pure coir fruits well it simplifies the hobby by a lot
it even brings the PC into question as critically important
if you can just cook coir reliably

this is semperviva on wood agar, look at the growth

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Never seen anything like this before..






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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
    #26373283 - 12/10/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The speed may very well may depend on how well your particular genetics take to lignin/cellulose. The more wood-friendly it is, I would guess the better it would do on coir-only. I also usually add a couple (small) wedges to the jars, not just one. Same principle of multiple inoculation points as grain. You could also boil some grains in water and hydrate your coir with THAT, if they're really grain-loving.




Do you think it'd be possible to make some kind of coir-based agar (after lots of cooking or something?). Then we could germinate and let them eat it right from the start and select agar cultures accordingly...


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: curious.psychonaut]
    #26373293 - 12/10/19 02:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

it very well may speed this up even more. I dont know if you could get spores to germinate on just agar + coir juice, but you could certainly add some coir juice to your MEA recipe and let us know! I'm optimistic about it.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
    #26373294 - 12/10/19 02:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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You could also boil some grains in water and hydrate your coir with THAT, if they're really grain-loving.




Moldfest.

You got pics of the process? Otherwise you could just do this...

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Hey this is 100% coir only start to finish





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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: curious.psychonaut]
    #26373298 - 12/10/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Coir water agar is a thing. Works well for many, not too clear for visibility though.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: curious.psychonaut]
    #26373300 - 12/10/19 02:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Pure coir fruits pretty poorly and in comparison is fucking expensive.
No need to boil grain  for the water...at that poi t just use the grain lol


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
    #26373304 - 12/10/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

its true, if you added grain juice it'd basically be defeating the purpose. Good point.

I do not have pictures of the process, nope. I didn't think it would work tbh. But I encourage you to try it yourself, or decide that I'm lying and let the rest of us reap the benefits lol


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26373307 - 12/10/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)


Coir with a bit of millet flour inoculated with Panaeolus cyanescens lc

Coir and wheat with li


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: curious.psychonaut]
    #26373318 - 12/10/19 02:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It’s an interesting idea and mixed with coir and PCed is how I like to add coffee grounds to my mix.

However you’re going to need pics and some more details of your harvests, as growing and being the optimum material are different things.

If we do get more people reproducing decent grows on coir only then it does mean the shroomery def of BE (that ignores coir amount) should be thrown out.
Thinking about Shroomery BE I have been thinking about doing a coir only and/or a grain with lots of verm to get a feel for how much extra nutrition coir was giving.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26373319 - 12/10/19 02:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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But I encourage you to try it yourself, or decide that I'm lying and let the rest of us reap the benefits lol




How do you know I havent? It works. But works is a relative term.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
    #26373322 - 12/10/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'll try find pics from our runs last year we did 3 types of manure and coir and tried straw but it contaminated.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26373325 - 12/10/19 02:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone who's done the ol' stem butts to a cup of coir has done this. Just a slightly different approach/inoculate:shrug:

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
    #26373334 - 12/10/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

its a special night too, because my pure coir shoebox
just showed this:

(actually it probably has small amounts of brf or popcorn in it, i could dig in it and check but you get the idea)




edit: ps coir agar water gonna be real transparent
and possible only require boil

you heard it here first


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26373470 - 12/10/19 04:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It seems several people have tried pure coir. I'm gathering the conclusion is that pure coir will colonize and fruit, but the fruits are weaker/fewer/less healthy/just not as cool/etc. Would that be about right?


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: chinaman9]
    #26373472 - 12/10/19 04:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

i think ya all are blind cause he edited his post showing more than decent flushes but everyone is writing like he didnt post a flush from his coir

i even edited it into MY post to show you

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26373483 - 12/10/19 04:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: footpath] * 1
    #26373496 - 12/10/19 04:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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... more than decent flushes ...




...?




you are late

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Quote:

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... more than decent flushes ...




...?



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Seems reasonable to me given that we spawn to coir to such a large degree and that RR has said coir is nutricious, cronicr has said something to that degree, cant remeber exactly what

I have 2-3 pure coir jars but they are hella slow to colonize



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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO] * 2
    #26373515 - 12/10/19 04:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It doesn't take punctuality to see subpar flushes.

It doesn't take subpar flushes to recognize the importance of nutrient-dense materials.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: footpath]
    #26373544 - 12/10/19 04:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i dont care and im not gonna fall for the trap of what constitutes a decent flush

thank god someone finally saw the pictures he edited in hours ago, before this thread was being discussed

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO] * 2
    #26373550 - 12/10/19 04:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So go right ahead and skip grain lol.
Use the more expensive shit for less product.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26373562 - 12/10/19 04:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No, actually I dont think this is a big deal at all.
its obvious from what I've already read on shroomery
that coir is a decent substrate. people have just
not been putting it together before.

honestly, no biggie

i just piled on the very premature reply of mushboy
which was "pics or it didnt happen", that could be
built into the current tension and drama

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26373575 - 12/10/19 04:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well pics are always important.
For it to ever be taken seriously he needs to show his process start to finish.
Go test it out it's pretty simple


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26373578 - 12/10/19 04:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

And I haven't been on discord in like a year Lol, here and the Facebook group


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26373584 - 12/10/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

well yeah the only guy there is a total sour fish

what constitutes a "win" in this case?

just colonize and fruit a canopy of only coir?

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26373585 - 12/10/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Discord is a lost cause. The amount of fail there and fail advice too... No hope


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    #26373588 - 12/10/19 04:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO] * 1
    #26373596 - 12/10/19 04:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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well yeah the only guy there is a total sour fish

what constitutes a "win" in this case?

just colonize and fruit a canopy of only coir?

tell the crowd of the arena



Depends on your goals ...if you want some mushrooms  check it out.
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If anything worthwhile was ever legit look to the gourmet farms, they have studied every aspect you could think of to come up with the best solutions.
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26373611 - 12/10/19 05:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

then pour malt over the coir


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26373616 - 12/10/19 05:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Why? Grain/bran works better and is cheaper


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26373621 - 12/10/19 05:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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but where can I hang out with the gang then




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    #26373630 - 12/10/19 05:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO] * 1
    #26373803 - 12/10/19 07:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

sorry, was the coir in the jar just bucket tek pasteurized ? I didn't see that in the thread.

Looks pretty interesting. I wonder if the flushes could be improved by adding the colonized coir to a manure / coir substrate.

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: vertygo]
    #26374515 - 12/11/19 07:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

My coir shoebox/tub/whatever is pinning today, but the pinset doesn't look too promising.

I've been wondering, how do the canopy pinsets "come in" ?

Do they all show up neat and orderly in one go,
or they progressively show up in a short amount of time

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26374516 - 12/11/19 07:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The pins show up over the course of maybe 1-2 days.


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    #26374523 - 12/11/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26374530 - 12/11/19 07:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Not necessarily. But whenever I had a really nice canopy, it started with a nice pinset, which appeared over 1-2 days.
Sometimes the second flush is bigger🤷🏻‍♂️


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26374618 - 12/11/19 08:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This is how the pins came in for the tub in my signature. Not quite canopy but close.



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    #26374656 - 12/11/19 09:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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    #26374824 - 12/11/19 11:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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    #26375094 - 12/11/19 01:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So they do come in uniform, mostly the same size and speed.
Probably exceptions to this, but this makes me state that
if you aint seeing 50 pins in day 1, you aint gonna get 50 pins in flus 1?


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26375109 - 12/11/19 01:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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So they do come in uniform, mostly the same size and speed.
Probably exceptions to this, but this makes me state that
if you aint seeing 50 pins in day 1, you aint gonna get 50 pins in flus 1?



Not always some times your first pinset will be your first couple flushes, some might sit dormant while your first flush grows or so.etimes they fill in






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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: vertygo]
    #26375495 - 12/11/19 04:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

From what I hear coir is more contam resistant as well. I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: iEnter]
    #26376189 - 12/11/19 10:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Using liquid culture, what is the inoculation tek? Same as spawn to coir substrate? As in inject the pasteurized coir in a jar or bag and seal? I’m literally going to start experimenting with this tek this week. Got my curiosity piqued.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26376224 - 12/11/19 11:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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My coir shoebox/tub/whatever is pinning today, but the pinset doesn't look too promising.

I've been wondering, how do the canopy pinsets "come in" ?

Do they all show up neat and orderly in one go,
or they progressively show up in a short amount of time

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    #26376525 - 12/12/19 05:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The coir shouldn't be 'wet', field capacity is where you take a fistful, squeeze the fuck out of it until maybe a dribble or so comes out.




I thought once you squeeze as hard as possible a stream should come out for a very little bit...dribble for a little bit then when u squeeze harder a short spurt of a stream..


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    #26376528 - 12/12/19 05:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If you're using unsterilized coir why would you bother using a SAB?

Wouldn't the dirty coir transfer contams to the underside of the agar wedge?


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    #26376629 - 12/12/19 07:06 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The coir shouldn't be 'wet', field capacity is where you take a fistful, squeeze the fuck out of it until maybe a dribble or so comes out.




I thought once you squeeze as hard as possible a stream should come out for a very little bit...dribble for a little bit then when u squeeze harder a short spurt of a stream..





I think its anywhere between the two.  When I started I squeezed it til only a drop or two came out, which was almost as hard as I could squeeze it, and it was way way too dry. Really it’s all about learning your grow space I think cuz I def get better results making it wetter than recommended but I have super low rh.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26376820 - 12/12/19 09:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Coir is mostly cellulose. Cellulose, a polysaccharide,  is a food for fungi. It's been done before successfully but better results come from the same organisms grown on grain and spawned to coir or any other cellulose rich moist fluffy stuff.

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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Nichrome]
    #26377126 - 12/12/19 12:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I just realized Ive been seeing his flushes from the best angle the all time, the flush is not like I first thought
Hoping someone will do a canopy on coir to show that it
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Nichrome]
    #26377133 - 12/12/19 12:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Very different myc behaviour on these two coir tubs fo sho:

(Unmodified, flipped lid recently, before that, closed)



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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26377135 - 12/12/19 12:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I’d like to see this done with some gravel mixed into the coir. Someone said something about grain helping, not just as a mute source, but also as solids that help anchor fruit. I think this makes sense and is rather easy to test.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26377599 - 12/12/19 04:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Pure coir fruits pretty poorly and in comparison is fucking expensive.



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So go right ahead and skip grain lol.
Use the more expensive shit for less product.



This would not matter at all to many people -as you said "Depends on your goals ...if you want some mushrooms  check it out.". A guy I know found it hilarious when I told him of people dismissing the "uncle bens" grows as people said it was so expensive compared to doing grains yourself. I did a single pouch of rice grow which cost 59cent (euros) and got 204.6g in the first flush. When shrooms were legal where I am that would have been just over 10 boxes, at €15-20 each, when my "20g fresh box" costs pittance, many would not care if they could grow that for 1/10th the price. It would be like buying a bottle of vodka for €20 and finding out you could make it for 6cent, or for 0.6cent with some more effort.

There is good reason my supermarket has a huge array of rice pouches, people are more than willing to pay for convenience, esp. if they are just cooking/growing for themselves and maybe a few friends. Of course if you are a supplier or restaurant you would consider cost, but I see restaurants buying in ready cut fresh french fries which cannot be cheap.


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Filtering LC to concentrate the myc and use to hydrate & grow unsterilized coir & BRF

Proposed idea is to make a large LC, like maybe even 25L in a homebrew fermentation or mashing bucket. These are readily available and can come with internal elements and holes in the lid which filters can be attached to. Most of my LCs are only boiled and do not contaminate.

Workman recommended just 0.1-0.5% sugars in LC. I find this works well. I would start my LC in a small jar, confirm it is clean and then add this to the 25L LC, sort of like a starter culture in brewing beer. 25L would need just 25-125g sugar to be 0.1-0.5%.

This weak sugar solution means there would be little residual sugar left over so not as susceptible to contams. But it could also be diluted further. Myc will naturally settle to the bottom of the fermenter, the top layer could be siphoned off and diluted with fresh water to the brim. This could be let settle again and be repeated, so now you have very little sugar left, it is more like a solution made from GLC or a LI depending on what terms you use. You could of course start with a higher sugar amount and do this dilution too.

Now get some dry coir and hydrate it. The coir can act as a filter for the LC. Pack the coir into a funnel, like a large soda bottle with the base cut off and pour the LC through it. Pretty clear water should run out with the myc being trapped in the coir. Now mix this sodden myc laiden coir into more dry coir and add water until at field capacity )or a little more). Now add some BRF and mix well. I would make fresh BRF from easy cook brown rice which has already had some heat treatment. The idea is there is so much myc that it would colonise fast not giving contams a chance to get a foothold. People see rapid colonization with regular LC but by concentrating it a lot it could be even faster and more contam resistant.

There may be other ways to filter it, like in muslin, or weed bubble bags or muslin bags. It could have the excess moisture squeezed out.

-I have not done any of this yet and would start with small scale first to see if it works at all, and figure out correct ratios. I have added dry BRF to feild capacity coir and added another 100ml/100g water per 100g BRF and microwaved it and it came out quite dry as the BRF absorbs the moisture, some say rice should be 180g water to 100g rice. If left uncooked I would expect it to soak up less though, so maybe get the coir to the right level and add 100ml water for each 100g BRF. If too prone to contams the coir and/or BRF may need further heat treatment but still may work with concentrated myc.



I never considered using coir on its own, as I was always led to believe grains were essential, all of RR's novelty bible grows etc had grains.

I did make a half assed attempt of that funneling method and it did not grow, I did not test the LC and am not sure if it was contaminated, the LC was also an experiment itself using peroxide so it might have been weakened.

The weak LC and dilution should get over the problem of the exposed agar wedges being prone to contams mentioned in this thread. If diluted repeatedly and decanted you could possibly even add a measured amount directly to dry untreated coir and just let it hydrate and grow. Coir could be prepared with a calculated amount of water to be below field capacity and then heat treated, and then the weak/clear/dilute LC could be added to that, in such a way that no straining is needed as you work out how much is needed.

More recently I did try mixing some mini PF cakes with a lot of coir, the idea was to colonise it similar to above but not to mix in anything until it was colonised, and then to mix in a pouch of sterile rice rather than untreated BRF, I did this but the PF cakes had not colonised the coir well and I am pretty sure it is fucked now.

Some years ago I tried mixing a chopped up fresh shroom and mixing it with coir and it did not work. I tried this again after reading this thread and it looks like it is starting to grow. I used a much smaller amount of coir to give it a better chance. I am not planning on adding rice to this one. If the coir grew out on its own I would be happy enough with that. I don't need much at all, and have been focusing on creating a foolproof method, which is not necessarily cheap. The chopped mushroom gets rid of the risk of exposed agar.

I would still go on to see how the added rice would turn out though.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: blackout]
    #26377640 - 12/12/19 04:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I know it wouldn't matter to some that's why I said go for it


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26377666 - 12/12/19 04:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

lol this is dumb either way..

if you go over the nutritional profiles this is just a stunt. idc if you get something out of it or get a chunk of agar to extend itself. Sorry, some experiments are simply tests and not based on any sort of solid hypothesis.

Explain to me what sort of macro nutrient would ever be worthwhile to a cube and you get my attention.
(then lets put it aside the yield)

But i mean yeah if you wanna see if you can get something out (and also account for the agar or anything you happen to provide extra to deplete), sure its fun to explore the boundaries.

I explore(d) paper pellets which are cellulose and actually something cubes can break down but coir is a lot of lignin and *some* cellulose and micronutrients.
It has its place but not as a substitute for coir either which I guess is meant to be something rather inert (although it slightly fails at that which is ok).

For me the lesson was to learn was what paper pellets are useful for and what they are not useful or a substitute for per se. Coir is hardly even worth the consideration i bet but if you do consider it, do it in the same way and understand it for what it is.

Besides, calling Discord bad / a lost cause is like calling the internet bad - don't generalize so much, there are many many different corners of a very wide spreaded thing. If you manage to access shitty servers that's on you. There is good and bad shit and the shroomery is not an exception.
The "shroomery server" though is surely not meant to be representative of shroomery, you hope. Cause yeah thats a cesspool.
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26377756 - 12/12/19 05:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll try find pics from our runs last year we did 3 types of manure and coir and tried straw but it contaminated.



Do you have a link to this thread? Or could you give me the nutshell breakdown in a private message or something?


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Nichrome]
    #26380728 - 12/14/19 06:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

anyone else having some active coir colonizing or fruiting now?

What ratio of malt or brf should one add to coir? 10-20%?



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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26380820 - 12/14/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Because of sad conditions

Same reason the mushrooms are so scarce too


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26380876 - 12/14/19 08:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

okay, nice to know - ive been away two days so no misting for them

the only choice I know can do different, is mist more

I live 300 meter above sea level, indoor climate is pretty dry


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26380973 - 12/14/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It doesn't need misting. It needs better conditions overall. Setup correctly you probably wouldn't need to mist it at all or once every couple days

Put a dish of water out like a cup or two. In a bowl for extra surface area. See how many days it takes to evaporate. Realize there's more water than that in your substrate. Make conclusion


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    #26381538 - 12/14/19 03:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, then my conclusion is that even though I think its too dry, its actually too wet. Strange! Thanks Bod, I know im painful


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26391563 - 12/19/19 09:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This sounds amazing!

Now, from what I have read, when using it as a bulk substrate, coir should be pasteurized, not sterilized. Does that mean these jars can be steam-sterilized vs using a pressure cooker?


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: DropOfEuphoria]
    #26397911 - 12/23/19 04:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

My coir only tub seems to have stalled. It was made with a chopped up mushroom. I was reading on mycotopia about guys trying it with no success, and they were making a decent attempt. It is hard enough to search for it as when you search "coir only" you just get people using grains with only coir as the bulk. Even the thread on mycotopia which was very clear had people coming on saying they had success only for it to turn out they were using grains.

I did another small tub just mixing in spores with coir and there is no sign of growth, again I found others trying this with no success. I made my coir to field capacity, weighed, added more water and microwaved until it was 10g below the original weight, then squirted a 10ml dark syringe all over it. I reckon it has dried out a bit so plan to boil up some BRF in water and add it squirt it back on and see what happens, hopefully the spores to germinate and get a foothold before contams -I would not think this would work with say verm but contams do not seem to favour coir.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: blackout]
    #26398401 - 12/23/19 11:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

@dropofeuphoria - I just heat water til it barely starts to bubble, so probably 85-95C, I’m not even sure you could call it pasteurized, but I think fundamentally the point is you don’t need to. Coir seems to be a food source for fungus that is mostly inaccessible to most contams.

@blackout - I only inoculate with agar wedges, I think spores generally need more easily-available nutrition to germinate. I think your best bet might be spores > liquid culture > coir.

If you can find my recent post about the transplant, I’m getting an idea... in my experiment notice how the mushroom (in coir only) detected a nearby moss colony and went STRAIGHT for it before then branching out and colonizing the coir. So since the fungus seems to like the living moss so much, maybe spores would germinate on a patch of it. If so... well, the moss is still alive and can fight off any contams, but may allow itself to germinate and then be colonized by the mycelium. In which case you could then take the colonized moss patch and use it as a living inoculant.

I’ve got some spores handy, I’m going to test this tomorrow


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
    #26398833 - 12/24/19 08:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I think your best bet might be spores > liquid culture > coir.



LC is very prone to contams. But I do remember Stamets talking about huge amount of spores in molasses for outdoor grows.

Some say BRF is selective too, while everything seems to love a malt extract LC. Even if not malt based I still like the idea of it going direct to coir which seems resistant.

I am more interested in finding a foolproof method of growing, as I said before many not concerned about price or yield per unit space.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: blackout]
    #26398971 - 12/24/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

suck my diiiick


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
    #26407146 - 12/30/19 01:51 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

They look amazing....haha I just got thirty kilos of Coco pith/ coir for like 2000ksh that's like twenty dollars about to embark on this. Bless


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Whanjohi]
    #26407265 - 12/30/19 05:03 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

I’m like 90% sure I see grain in the last photo you just posted. Bottom center, just below the fruit to the right and two grains in the pocket where it looks like a fruit was harvested.

Calling BS

Document your process start to finish as it happens chronologicaly and I’ll believe it,

I’ve  seen grows where only a minimal amount of grain (2-3 grains) to a cup of coir produced a few fruits, but nothing close to the kind of yield you are claiming.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: AyePlus]
    #26407267 - 12/30/19 05:05 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

You can obviously see grain in most of those pics :shrug:

This shit belongs on reddit or Facebook lol


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26407423 - 12/30/19 08:17 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

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You can obviously see grain in most of those pics :shrug:

This shit belongs on reddit or Facebook lol




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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: jcm4620]
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: LadysKnight]
    #26407766 - 12/30/19 01:05 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)



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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26407776 - 12/30/19 01:13 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

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que the dramatic music  dahn dahn dahn


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: jcm4620]
    #26407778 - 12/30/19 01:15 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Que the bam anthem?


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26407870 - 12/30/19 02:25 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Aw so it was all BS?

I wanted to try this so bad, I filled some colonized pasty plates with coir. Comes out to right around 1.5in with space enough for a thin-ass casing.



Anyone wanna place some bets? Think I’ll get any fruit?

Edit: haha, guess I misclicked a few pics. Enjoy anyway, his name’s Chaplin and he likes to sleep on his own belly.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26407882 - 12/30/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Well the plates themselves would pin so yes you will get fruits lol


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26407891 - 12/30/19 02:35 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Lol I meant will the coir get colonized and will the containers pin on top, but I get the point - it’s a dead end.
Was holding out hope since it’s actually colonizing a bit of the coir, though waaaaay slow compared to a colonized grain.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26407944 - 12/30/19 03:02 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Yeah it will colonize and fruit


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26416505 - 01/04/20 06:41 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

JESUS its a pin pushing up through the sub, notice it is exactly the same color as the other caps. The median split is grown-over mycelium. This grow had mad problems with pins getting trapped all over the place, falling over, growing sideways, etc. I mean shit some of the caps were mutants and would just fall off no spores whatsoever. I never claimed great yields with perfect fruits. But whatever, call BS. Who would lie about that? What would be the point? Retarded.

Hey Bod... lighten up. You seem a bit insecure. Maybe spend less time on Shroomery and more time eating mushrooms... they're good for you... dick

I swear man I hate this fucking place sometimes. "do as we say, don't experiment, you're all lying because muh brain cells cant comprehend..." meanwhile me and my friends are now all coir-only, without wasting our time and enjoying the easiest fruits ever. So ya know, take it or leave it I guess, really don't care if you don't believe me.

I wish I could delete this whole thread some of you fuckers don't deserve it, im genuinely mad that you idiots will probably hold back this hobby with your elitism and cynicism.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
    #26416518 - 01/04/20 06:49 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

I WILL document this shit from start to finish, with video, studio photography, information graphics... On my own fucking website dedicated to helping regular people do this shit, and furthering the hobby without any of you internet troll dickheads getting in the way. Then I'll publish a book, and the dedication will be to all of you wonderful assholes, a simple "suck my dick"


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: AyePlus]
    #26416523 - 01/04/20 06:53 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Document your process start to finish as it happens chronologicaly and I’ll believe it,




Everyone here encourages experimentation. Just because they're critical and want well-documented evidence to back up claims doesn't mean they're holding anything back. Just keeping standards.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: footpath]
    #26416527 - 01/04/20 06:57 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Needs a three day break. Lots of us have tossed myc, either stem butts or otherwise to straight coir and it does grow shrooms.

But you gotta document shit before you lash out with the 'suck my dick' mantra:shake:


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
    #26416602 - 01/04/20 08:01 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

there is fuckin grains in there man cron even zoomed in on 1 so ya its bs not 100% coir


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: jcm4620]
    #26416615 - 01/04/20 08:09 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

a 3 day break after a butt hurt rant like that id tell him no suck our dicks and flat out ban his ass for ever. my god ppl are too thin skinned anymore nobody can take any kinda criticism or being told they r wrong without crying and needing a hug a blankie and a cup of coco

bod cron mush and anyone im forgetting here dont even try to justify your argument here cuz we all know who really helps ppl around here and it sure as shit aint this clown. lol write a book lol go for it dude i like fiction


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
    #26416619 - 01/04/20 08:13 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Well that was a wild read. I wonder what the OP said before he vandalized it lol. Some people just can't handle criticism.
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Needs a three day break. Lots of us have tossed myc, either stem butts or otherwise to straight coir and it does grow shrooms.

But you gotta document shit before you lash out with the 'suck my dick' mantra:shake:



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    #26416740 - 01/04/20 09:52 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I kicked him from his own thread


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
    #26416816 - 01/04/20 10:43 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

good for u cuz that was a bs rant for sure but il b on the look out for that book on my next visit to barnes n noble maybe hel even sign a copy for me 😃😃😃


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: jcm4620]
    #26417169 - 01/05/20 08:43 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I would have kicked him till at least his 18th birthday


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26417205 - 01/05/20 09:19 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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I WILL document this shit from start to finish, with video, studio photography, information graphics... On my own fucking website dedicated to helping regular people do this shit, and furthering the hobby without any of you internet troll dickheads getting in the way. Then I'll publish a book, and the dedication will be to all of you wonderful assholes, a simple "suck my dick"



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Aw so it was all BS?

I wanted to try this so bad, I filled some colonized pasty plates with coir. Comes out to right around 1.5in with space enough for a thin-ass casing.



Anyone wanna place some bets? Think I’ll get any fruit?

Edit: haha, guess I misclicked a few pics. Enjoy anyway, his name’s Chaplin and he likes to sleep on his own belly.




So only about 5-10% of the coir is colonized. Meanwhile, I g2g’d with the same culture a day later and receiving jars are at 95%.
Not very effective so far lol. I wonder how this would go if I put 5-10 colonized grains on each plate instead of transfer wedges.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
    #26417216 - 01/05/20 09:26 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

the thing that makes me laugh the most tho  is that any of us who have used grains more than 1 time know wtf a grain  looks like lol. tryin to say oh thats just a pin head tryin to pop up. now that was just flat out fucking comical. he was really reaching for anything to hold onto at that point.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: jcm4620]
    #26417221 - 01/05/20 09:30 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I mean, if he said from the start that there’s a tiny bit of grain in there, his results would still be interesting 🤷🏻‍♂️. Like 1 pint to 7-8 quarts in a mono? If the yield is at least 2-3oz, it could have been a good tek for newbs who only have a few jars/cakes to work with.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
    #26417352 - 01/05/20 10:54 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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Needs a three day break. Lots of us have tossed myc, either stem butts or otherwise to straight coir and it does grow shrooms.




Have you any links to threads about doing this? I can find absolutely no successful attempts. I said there was a mycotopia thread where nothing grew and they made a decent attempt.

Searching "coir only" etc just turns up people using 100% coir for bulk, but using grain spawn with it.

I have 2 test tubs and put dilute boiled up BRF water into bother of them and see no change after 13 days, what is interesting is that there is also no mould growing.


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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: blackout]
    #26417432 - 01/05/20 11:42 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

People randomly post it in potd.. I kno eats said something about it. Cant find with search tho:shrug:


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