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bodhisatta 
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26380973 - 12/14/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It doesn't need misting. It needs better conditions overall. Setup correctly you probably wouldn't need to mist it at all or once every couple days
Put a dish of water out like a cup or two. In a bowl for extra surface area. See how many days it takes to evaporate. Realize there's more water than that in your substrate. Make conclusion
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: bodhisatta]
#26381538 - 12/14/19 03:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, then my conclusion is that even though I think its too dry, its actually too wet. Strange! Thanks Bod, I know im painful
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26391563 - 12/19/19 09:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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This sounds amazing!
Now, from what I have read, when using it as a bulk substrate, coir should be pasteurized, not sterilized. Does that mean these jars can be steam-sterilized vs using a pressure cooker?
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My coir only tub seems to have stalled. It was made with a chopped up mushroom. I was reading on mycotopia about guys trying it with no success, and they were making a decent attempt. It is hard enough to search for it as when you search "coir only" you just get people using grains with only coir as the bulk. Even the thread on mycotopia which was very clear had people coming on saying they had success only for it to turn out they were using grains.
I did another small tub just mixing in spores with coir and there is no sign of growth, again I found others trying this with no success. I made my coir to field capacity, weighed, added more water and microwaved until it was 10g below the original weight, then squirted a 10ml dark syringe all over it. I reckon it has dried out a bit so plan to boil up some BRF in water and add it squirt it back on and see what happens, hopefully the spores to germinate and get a foothold before contams -I would not think this would work with say verm but contams do not seem to favour coir.
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: blackout]
#26398401 - 12/23/19 11:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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@dropofeuphoria - I just heat water til it barely starts to bubble, so probably 85-95C, I’m not even sure you could call it pasteurized, but I think fundamentally the point is you don’t need to. Coir seems to be a food source for fungus that is mostly inaccessible to most contams.
@blackout - I only inoculate with agar wedges, I think spores generally need more easily-available nutrition to germinate. I think your best bet might be spores > liquid culture > coir.
If you can find my recent post about the transplant, I’m getting an idea... in my experiment notice how the mushroom (in coir only) detected a nearby moss colony and went STRAIGHT for it before then branching out and colonizing the coir. So since the fungus seems to like the living moss so much, maybe spores would germinate on a patch of it. If so... well, the moss is still alive and can fight off any contams, but may allow itself to germinate and then be colonized by the mycelium. In which case you could then take the colonized moss patch and use it as a living inoculant.
I’ve got some spores handy, I’m going to test this tomorrow
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
#26398833 - 12/24/19 08:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Shroomerd00d said: I think your best bet might be spores > liquid culture > coir.
LC is very prone to contams. But I do remember Stamets talking about huge amount of spores in molasses for outdoor grows.
Some say BRF is selective too, while everything seems to love a malt extract LC. Even if not malt based I still like the idea of it going direct to coir which seems resistant.
I am more interested in finding a foolproof method of growing, as I said before many not concerned about price or yield per unit space.
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: blackout]
#26398971 - 12/24/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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suck my diiiick
Edited by Shroomerd00d (01/04/20 06:46 PM)
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
#26407146 - 12/30/19 01:51 AM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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They look amazing....haha I just got thirty kilos of Coco pith/ coir for like 2000ksh that's like twenty dollars about to embark on this. Bless
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Whanjohi]
#26407265 - 12/30/19 05:03 AM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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I’m like 90% sure I see grain in the last photo you just posted. Bottom center, just below the fruit to the right and two grains in the pocket where it looks like a fruit was harvested.
Calling BS
Document your process start to finish as it happens chronologicaly and I’ll believe it,
I’ve seen grows where only a minimal amount of grain (2-3 grains) to a cup of coir produced a few fruits, but nothing close to the kind of yield you are claiming.
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: AyePlus]
#26407267 - 12/30/19 05:05 AM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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You can obviously see grain in most of those pics 
This shit belongs on reddit or Facebook lol
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: bodhisatta]
#26407423 - 12/30/19 08:17 AM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Quote:
bodhisatta said: You can obviously see grain in most of those pics 
This shit belongs on reddit or Facebook lol
i agree i call 100% bs
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: jcm4620]
#26407519 - 12/30/19 09:34 AM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: LadysKnight]
#26407766 - 12/30/19 01:05 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
#26407776 - 12/30/19 01:13 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Quote:
cronicr said:

que the dramatic music dahn dahn dahn
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: jcm4620]
#26407778 - 12/30/19 01:15 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Que the bam anthem?
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
#26407870 - 12/30/19 02:25 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Aw so it was all BS?
I wanted to try this so bad, I filled some colonized pasty plates with coir. Comes out to right around 1.5in with space enough for a thin-ass casing.

Anyone wanna place some bets? Think I’ll get any fruit?
Edit: haha, guess I misclicked a few pics. Enjoy anyway, his name’s Chaplin and he likes to sleep on his own belly.
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
#26407882 - 12/30/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Well the plates themselves would pin so yes you will get fruits lol
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
#26407891 - 12/30/19 02:35 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Lol I meant will the coir get colonized and will the containers pin on top, but I get the point - it’s a dead end. Was holding out hope since it’s actually colonizing a bit of the coir, though waaaaay slow compared to a colonized grain.
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: feldman114]
#26407944 - 12/30/19 03:02 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Yeah it will colonize and fruit
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Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
#26416505 - 01/04/20 06:41 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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JESUS its a pin pushing up through the sub, notice it is exactly the same color as the other caps. The median split is grown-over mycelium. This grow had mad problems with pins getting trapped all over the place, falling over, growing sideways, etc. I mean shit some of the caps were mutants and would just fall off no spores whatsoever. I never claimed great yields with perfect fruits. But whatever, call BS. Who would lie about that? What would be the point? Retarded.
Hey Bod... lighten up. You seem a bit insecure. Maybe spend less time on Shroomery and more time eating mushrooms... they're good for you... dick
I swear man I hate this fucking place sometimes. "do as we say, don't experiment, you're all lying because muh brain cells cant comprehend..." meanwhile me and my friends are now all coir-only, without wasting our time and enjoying the easiest fruits ever. So ya know, take it or leave it I guess, really don't care if you don't believe me.
I wish I could delete this whole thread some of you fuckers don't deserve it, im genuinely mad that you idiots will probably hold back this hobby with your elitism and cynicism.
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