|
Shroomerd00d
Stranger


Registered: 07/12/19
Posts: 33
Last seen: 3 months, 24 days
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26373275 - 12/10/19 02:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
The speed may very well may depend on how well your particular genetics take to lignin/cellulose. The more wood-friendly it is, I would guess the better it would do on coir-only. I also usually add a couple (small) wedges to the jars, not just one. Same principle of multiple inoculation points as grain. You could also boil some grains in water and hydrate your coir with THAT, if they're really grain-loving.
|
feldman114
Stragler


Registered: 09/06/19
Posts: 3,365
Loc: Bravos
Last seen: 3 years, 9 months
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26373278 - 12/10/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
cronicr said:
Quote:
feldman114 said:
Quote:
cronicr said: Fungi love coir
Well wtf is the point of using grain than? This is making my brain implode...
Fungi love grain Mix them up

🤯 I dun get it. We’ve been soaking/simmering/drying/PCing grains, making filter lids, etc., when we can just add water to some coir instead? ...then open the jar to mix instead of shaking because coir barely ever contams?
Pleeeaaase tell me there’s a catch. Because, otherwise, this must be true:
Quote:
meaculpaUIO said: The TCs have been hustling us all the time
Edit: phew ok, thanks cronie, you da bestest.
|
meaculpaUIO


Registered: 08/26/19
Posts: 956
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
|
that might be woo and hoohaa, or lid-related, we cant base ourselves on that. anyways the big question is how well pure coir will fruit, if pure coir fruits well it simplifies the hobby by a lot it even brings the PC into question as critically important if you can just cook coir reliably
this is semperviva on wood agar, look at the growth
Quote:
Randalf the Grey said:
Quote:
meaculpaUIO said: Never seen anything like this before..

i think we are far from having a complete popular understanding of how the different myceliums we are growing interacts with their substrates
|
curious.psychonaut
Stranger



Registered: 10/17/19
Posts: 282
Last seen: 4 years, 9 days
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
#26373283 - 12/10/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Shroomerd00d said: The speed may very well may depend on how well your particular genetics take to lignin/cellulose. The more wood-friendly it is, I would guess the better it would do on coir-only. I also usually add a couple (small) wedges to the jars, not just one. Same principle of multiple inoculation points as grain. You could also boil some grains in water and hydrate your coir with THAT, if they're really grain-loving.
Do you think it'd be possible to make some kind of coir-based agar (after lots of cooking or something?). Then we could germinate and let them eat it right from the start and select agar cultures accordingly...
-------------------- My LAGM2020 grow log
|
Shroomerd00d
Stranger


Registered: 07/12/19
Posts: 33
Last seen: 3 months, 24 days
|
|
it very well may speed this up even more. I dont know if you could get spores to germinate on just agar + coir juice, but you could certainly add some coir juice to your MEA recipe and let us know! I'm optimistic about it.
|
mushboy
modboy



Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 32,273
Loc: where?
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: Shroomerd00d]
#26373294 - 12/10/19 02:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Shroomerd00d said: You could also boil some grains in water and hydrate your coir with THAT, if they're really grain-loving.
Moldfest.
You got pics of the process? Otherwise you could just do this...
Quote:
Hey this is 100% coir only start to finish

|
feldman114
Stragler


Registered: 09/06/19
Posts: 3,365
Loc: Bravos
Last seen: 3 years, 9 months
|
|
Coir water agar is a thing. Works well for many, not too clear for visibility though.
|
cronicr



Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle
Last seen: 2 years, 7 days
|
|
Pure coir fruits pretty poorly and in comparison is fucking expensive. No need to boil grain for the water...at that poi t just use the grain lol
--------------------
  It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn I'm tired do me a favor
|
Shroomerd00d
Stranger


Registered: 07/12/19
Posts: 33
Last seen: 3 months, 24 days
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
#26373304 - 12/10/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
its true, if you added grain juice it'd basically be defeating the purpose. Good point.
I do not have pictures of the process, nope. I didn't think it would work tbh. But I encourage you to try it yourself, or decide that I'm lying and let the rest of us reap the benefits lol
|
cronicr



Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle
Last seen: 2 years, 7 days
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
#26373307 - 12/10/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
 Coir with a bit of millet flour inoculated with Panaeolus cyanescens lc
 Coir and wheat with li
--------------------
  It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn I'm tired do me a favor
|
StygianKnight
A Mushroom

Registered: 03/12/12
Posts: 2,717
|
|
It’s an interesting idea and mixed with coir and PCed is how I like to add coffee grounds to my mix.
However you’re going to need pics and some more details of your harvests, as growing and being the optimum material are different things.
If we do get more people reproducing decent grows on coir only then it does mean the shroomery def of BE (that ignores coir amount) should be thrown out. Thinking about Shroomery BE I have been thinking about doing a coir only and/or a grain with lots of verm to get a feel for how much extra nutrition coir was giving.
|
mushboy
modboy



Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 32,273
Loc: where?
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
#26373319 - 12/10/19 02:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Shroomerd00d said: But I encourage you to try it yourself, or decide that I'm lying and let the rest of us reap the benefits lol
How do you know I havent? It works. But works is a relative term.
|
cronicr



Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle
Last seen: 2 years, 7 days
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
#26373322 - 12/10/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I'll try find pics from our runs last year we did 3 types of manure and coir and tried straw but it contaminated.
--------------------
  It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn I'm tired do me a favor
|
mushboy
modboy



Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 32,273
Loc: where?
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: cronicr]
#26373325 - 12/10/19 02:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Anyone who's done the ol' stem butts to a cup of coir has done this. Just a slightly different approach/inoculate
Edited by mushboy (12/10/19 02:49 PM)
|
meaculpaUIO


Registered: 08/26/19
Posts: 956
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: mushboy]
#26373334 - 12/10/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
its a special night too, because my pure coir shoebox just showed this:
(actually it probably has small amounts of brf or popcorn in it, i could dig in it and check but you get the idea)

edit: ps coir agar water gonna be real transparent and possible only require boil
you heard it here first
Edited by meaculpaUIO (12/10/19 04:06 PM)
|
chinaman9
Secret Asian Man


Registered: 11/02/18
Posts: 63
Loc: 'Murica
Last seen: 17 hours, 34 minutes
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26373470 - 12/10/19 04:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
It seems several people have tried pure coir. I'm gathering the conclusion is that pure coir will colonize and fruit, but the fruits are weaker/fewer/less healthy/just not as cool/etc. Would that be about right?
--------------------
|
meaculpaUIO


Registered: 08/26/19
Posts: 956
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: chinaman9]
#26373472 - 12/10/19 04:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
i think ya all are blind cause he edited his post showing more than decent flushes but everyone is writing like he didnt post a flush from his coir
i even edited it into MY post to show you
what gives
|
footpath
ὕδωρχοίρος

Registered: 07/16/19
Posts: 1,367
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26373483 - 12/10/19 04:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
meaculpaUIO said: ... more than decent flushes ...
...?
|
meaculpaUIO


Registered: 08/26/19
Posts: 956
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: footpath] 1
#26373496 - 12/10/19 04:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
footpath said:
Quote:
meaculpaUIO said: ... more than decent flushes ...
...?
you are late
Quote:
footpath said:
Quote:
meaculpaUIO said: ... more than decent flushes ...
...?
Quote:
meaculpaUIO said: Seems reasonable to me given that we spawn to coir to such a large degree and that RR has said coir is nutricious, cronicr has said something to that degree, cant remeber exactly what
I have 2-3 pure coir jars but they are hella slow to colonize

^
OP edited his OP
|
footpath
ὕδωρχοίρος

Registered: 07/16/19
Posts: 1,367
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: Coco Coir ONLY, start to finish [Re: meaculpaUIO] 2
#26373515 - 12/10/19 04:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
It doesn't take punctuality to see subpar flushes.
It doesn't take subpar flushes to recognize the importance of nutrient-dense materials.
|
|