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My next trip, truffles and Syrian rue
    #26372954 - 12/10/19 11:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hello!

Recently I posted a trip report of a trip I had earlier.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26372924

It was one of my better ones and I had a long time outside of my human body suite in alternate world. I wanna achieve this again (preferably every trip I want this to happen). Usually I am always falling back and forth between my body suite and the alternate world with short intervals, which means I don't really either remember or get to see much stuff. This time was much different as said and I want back there.

This time I took 30g fresh truffles with a weight around 140kilograms. I made a lemon tek and then used that tek within my ginger and honey tea.

Now as said I would like more of these trips but making the time in alternate space stronger and longer, even more like a Ego death. I'm thinking about adding Syrian rue to my next trip, between 3 or 5grams of dried seeds? Also some people say you should stay with your normal dosage of shrooms/truffles, some say you can half it since Syrian rue makes it more intense. To achieve what I want with my next trip - do you think it would be safe to go with like 4g Syrian rue and 30g fresh truffles again? Or should I lower my dosage with truffles to be safe and not overdo it?

I am not a super experienced person with psilocybin I think, used it for 2 soon 3 years with different period lengths. But I am always ready for my visions or anything that gets to me during a trip. I've had one bad trip and I did handle it really good. Maybe it was not the worst bad trip you can have. It was faces of all my relatives with angry and judging faces and they didn't disapear for the whole trip until I was sober. But I did handle it and was never afraid and just accepted what they showed me. This came in a period where I used shrooms a bit too often, like every weekend for 2-3 months.

I am interested in trying to reach a high level of dosage just so I know a bit more what are my upper limits. So I can have a bit more control over myself and my trips. So I can choose a dosage for what type of trip I need or want that specific day. Now I really only know about low dosage and medium-high I think. What do you think would be a high end dosage for my body weight? Both with and without the Syrian rue?

Thanks in advance for all your help :smile:


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Re: My next trip, truffles and Syrian rue [Re: GBW and eat]
    #26372975 - 12/10/19 11:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hi there,

truffles vary more in potency than dried shrooms. THe older /longer the truffles are grown, the stronger they usually get. 30g can be underwhelming, the next 30g can send you to the moon.
Trust your source, keep ingesting truffles from the same source for the most consistent trips.

Syrian rue potentiates psilocin a lot. But it depends on the human, everybody reacts differently. For some, it potentiates the shrooms only a bit, for others it feels like a completly different drug.

3 to 4 grams of syrian rue seeds as a good dose. I would not go higher than that. Grind them up to a fine powder, then put into capsuls and swallow half an hour to 45min before ingesting your truffles.

The 30g can feel like 60g or more, and can last up to 12 hours if combined with syrian rue. Beware. Better start low instead of jumping right into a high dose.
You can always redose another 10 grams or so after 90min. With rue, the peak usually is extended to 4 to 6 hours instead of 2 to 3 hours. So redosing will still impact you pretty good.

My best shroom trips were with syrian rue extract. 10 hours long and twice as strong as usual.

Read this thread for more information about this combination: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23137020

Have fun and report back.

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Re: My next trip, truffles and Syrian rue [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26373175 - 12/10/19 01:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, thanks for a very good answer.
The dosage decision is still quite hard to figure out then and I guess it's different for everyone as well as to what I've read. Guess there is only one way to find it out, try and see.

Since I want a little bit stronger and longer trip than my last I hope the Syrian Rue will intensify a bit. I'm not brave enough to go for same 30g since you say it might be like a 60g or stronger. Never been on those levels of shroom/truffles so far.

So final decision I think is 4g rue seeds with 20g Fresh truffles. With an option of +10g truffles midway through then.

(and oh yes I really need to start lose my weight again so I can get to lower dosage and save some)


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Re: My next trip, truffles and Syrian rue [Re: GBW and eat]
    #26377626 - 12/12/19 04:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hi,

there are a couple of truffles + rue experiences in these posts which might interest you:

High Hawaiians, rue, apple juice, and getting bored while tripping

Yeet, more truffles and rue. Featuring goats.

I've never tried rue but Pandemoon's post has good advice. The main thing that puts me off is when people talk about getting nausea or headaches, plus like Pandemoon says you have to be careful with the dose!

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Now as said I would like more of these trips but making the time in alternate space stronger and longer, even more like a Ego death... I am interested in trying to reach a high level of dosage just so I know a bit more what are my upper limits... Both with and without the Syrian rue?




In terms of dosage *without* the rue, if 30g is giving you a nice trip which isn't too overwhelming, then I expect 40 or 45g would feel like a big jump in intensity where things are starting to get insane. Sclerotia potency varies a lot but your 30g trip sounds similar to 30g trips I've had recently.

Even with a bit of tolerance I find 45g to be a very strong dose. At doses of 30g or more I prefer to split it 50/50 and take the second dose 60 to 90 minutes after the first - the onset is less overwhelming but the redose boosts the intensity and the trip lasts a bit longer. Also splitting the dose helps avoid taking too much if the potency turns out to be really strong - you will feel it before you redose which gives you a chance to change your mind!

Without rue, increasing the dose in 5g increments between trips would be a sensible approach i.e. 35 then 40 then 45 - by the time you get to 45g I think you will have reached a point where you don't really want to take more.

Have fun and trip safely! :peace:

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Re: My next trip, truffles and Syrian rue [Re: Aldebaran] * 1
    #26379191 - 12/13/19 12:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I never tried raw rue seeds. I always make a pure alkaloid extract, using the TEK in my signature. With pure alkaloids there is zero nausea nor headache for me.
120 to 150mg of this extract is enough for psilohuasca, for me this almost doubles the strength and make the shrooms last 8+ hours.
For ayahuasca I use 200mg to fully inhibit mao.
300mg and above is not neccessary and pretty much overkill. Bad sideeffects might overpower the experience.

Rue /harmalas act as a purgative in higher doses, so better start low and work your way up to find the propper dose that fits for your needs.

Luckily, rue seeds are very consistent in potency. They are so small, 3g of seeds is like a couple of hundred seeds. They seem to homogenize well in these quantities.
But raw seeds are hard to digest and can lead to stomache discomfort on their own. Better grind them well to a fine powder and ingest in capsuls.

But like I said, an extract is the better option. Easy measuring and no nausea. :thumbup:

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Re: My next trip, truffles and Syrian rue [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26426338 - 01/10/20 11:13 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

This will be my next experiment, thanks for the suggestion!


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