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OfflineJohnRainy
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Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? * 2
    #26371922 - 12/09/19 09:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You see stories like this all the time.  How much longer can this go on for?  Nearly all the income gains of the last 50 years have gone to 1% of the people.  1% saw incomes increase 100 times faster than the bottom 50%. 


Meanwhile, Amazon pays no income tax, and other wealthiest are paying a lower percentage than you, and they get their money from owning, not working.  Some get it strictly from usury.  All those dividends, capital gains, interest bearing financial devices, there is no meaningful labour attached to 'earning' that.  Meanwhile you're holding down a 9-5, commuting, all that shit. 

And like a hamster on a wheel, you'll stay where you are, probably.

Last I heard the Trump admin was considering suspending capital gains tax on stocks that are sold and immediately re-invested in other stocks.

It just goes on and on.  This crew won't be happy until they can just print up whatever amount of money they want to with their own machine, I think. 

It's such a bloodbath. 



Here is another one that gets me revved up.  Just think to yourself, this story is just not something people go through in a lot of other developed countries.  It's just mostly happening in USA because of out of control greed, and, I guess, mass ignorance on the part of the oppressed.  There is no scientific reason for all the deprivation you see in USA and around the world.  It's a choice made by those in power, wherever they may be.

These poor kids.  All that stress is not healthy for the mind or the soul.  Makes for a stressed out existence.  Maybe one or two of you have noticed that about life.

Many college students are facing serious financial crises

So that's a glimpse of the flip side of so much money being sucked up by 1% of the people.  It's pretty obvious.

We must be moving forward together or it is unjust.

Humans are of the nature that they will always demand justice.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
    #26372020 - 12/09/19 10:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

How much longer can this trend go on for?  It will go on for generations is my guess. People in the US aren't unified and that benefits The Elite and their economic goals.

The serious wakeup call will be when the social programs get major cuts, it's just a matter of time at this point.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/14/senate-democrats-join-gop-back-automatic-austerity-bill-would-gut-social-programs

The problems with this deterioration in standard of living is that it's been a very slow change and that skews people's perception of the situation.

Until US citizens want to hit the streets and protest these issues, it will only get worse.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/france-braces-severe-disruption-mass-strike-protests-over-pensions-n1096316


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: qman]
    #26372080 - 12/09/19 11:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Implosion and class conflict would seem to be the prognosis. Might be another 10-15 years. I used to always wonder why elites do what they do and why these corporations seem so bent on destroying the middle class because, after all, doesn’t everyone benefit from a dynamic economy with lots of consumers with a lot of buying power?

These people really don’t care. There is no why, other than short term profit by making everyone else’s life just a bit worse. They seem bent on running this country into the ground and squandering whatever technological opportunities we may have at this incredible moment in human history.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26372165 - 12/10/19 01:06 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have a hard time believing this isn't forced population control on some level.

Let the poor/weak/unproductive die off? That seems to be where they are heading with things.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26372173 - 12/10/19 01:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The republican part is trash. Trump is good, but he won't save the party.

The entire country gave up freedom for a bunch of regulations and taxes.

In my view, the only way out will be through economic collapse or revolution.

Only when we are free again, will I be satisfied.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: Lachlen] * 1
    #26372195 - 12/10/19 01:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

People who can't afford tuition or medical care, or work for a poverty level wage while the corporation profits billions, did not give up their freedom for a bunch of regulations and taxes.

Rather, they live in a miserly society with inadequate public resources and a rigged system.

Have you heard?  Over the last fifty years nearly all of the income growth has gone to 1% of people.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26372200 - 12/10/19 01:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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JohnRainy said:
People who can't afford tuition or medical care, or work for a poverty level wage while the corporation profits billions, did not give up their freedom for a bunch of regulations and taxes.






Yes they did.

For example, people moved to America, sold raw milk without regulations, sold their own meat without regulations, and sold many other things without regulations. This enabled those people to make money and wealth, which they used to create regulations that tell people today they cannot do the same thing without jumping through monetary hoops -- regulations and taxes.

You want to talk about resources? They regulated our means to barter and sell food to our neighbors. And we have no option to opt out -- or a paper to sign to say we optionally take on the risk of drinking raw milk.

That is not freedom.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: Lachlen] * 1
    #26372202 - 12/10/19 01:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I believe we call that "pulling the ladder up behind you".


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26372205 - 12/10/19 01:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I believe we call that "pulling the ladder up behind you".




Heh

Sounds about right.

I don't like it.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: Lachlen]
    #26372224 - 12/10/19 02:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's the ultimate economic "fuck you".

People will usually argue boomers did this (true to a degree) but as you said the regulation is the real killer. You think they'd want as many people moving as much money around, no matter transaction size, as much as possible, and tax it. A lot of shit feels self-defeating lol.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: Lachlen] * 2
    #26372263 - 12/10/19 03:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Lachlen said:


Yes they did.

For example, people moved to America, sold raw milk without regulations, sold their own meat without regulations, and sold many other things without regulations. This enabled those people to make money and wealth, which they used to create regulations that tell people today they cannot do the same thing without jumping through monetary hoops -- regulations and taxes.

You want to talk about resources? They regulated our means to barter and sell food to our neighbors. And we have no option to opt out -- or a paper to sign to say we optionally take on the risk of drinking raw milk.

That is not freedom.




I don't want a food industry where you have to sign a waiver before you eat


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
    #26372301 - 12/10/19 03:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Most people don't have anything to produce and sell anyways, except for their labour.  They possess no means of production. 


Some that do have  means of production can be muscled out of the market by more dominant forces. 

Things like market share for small producers can be regulated into existence.  It's what you do when markets serve society, instead of the other way around.  The market will only ever further consolidate power among fewer and fewer players.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26372482 - 12/10/19 06:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Lachlen said:


Yes they did.

For example, people moved to America, sold raw milk without regulations, sold their own meat without regulations, and sold many other things without regulations. This enabled those people to make money and wealth, which they used to create regulations that tell people today they cannot do the same thing without jumping through monetary hoops -- regulations and taxes.

You want to talk about resources? They regulated our means to barter and sell food to our neighbors. And we have no option to opt out -- or a paper to sign to say we optionally take on the risk of drinking raw milk.

That is not freedom.




I don't want a food industry where you have to sign a waiver before you eat




You can have your regulatory market -- sure. But we should have a chance to opt out is what I am saying. Even if it means only 20% of population chooses to opt out.

I think this opens up a new free market that is easy to access. Markets will open up. Especially with the new ethnic demand for goats, which eat just about anything.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: Lachlen] * 1
    #26372542 - 12/10/19 07:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Lachlen said:

Yes they did.

For example, people moved to America, sold raw milk without regulations, sold their own meat without regulations, and sold many other things without regulations. This enabled those people to make money and wealth, which they used to create regulations that tell people today they cannot do the same thing without jumping through monetary hoops -- regulations and taxes.

You want to talk about resources? They regulated our means to barter and sell food to our neighbors. And we have no option to opt out -- or a paper to sign to say we optionally take on the risk of drinking raw milk.

That is not freedom.





Hows it going in Maine?  Kill a bear yet?


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26372618 - 12/10/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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CountHTML said:
Implosion and class conflict would seem to be the prognosis. Might be another 10-15 years. I used to always wonder why elites do what they do and why these corporations seem so bent on destroying the middle class because, after all, doesn’t everyone benefit from a dynamic economy with lots of consumers with a lot of buying power?





The global corporations don't care about the US consumer that much today. The Elite don't want a booming US consumer, they want low consumption, low economic growth and low inflation.  In other words, they prefer low wages, low commodity prices, high profit margins and debt slaves.


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: relic] * 1
    #26372753 - 12/10/19 09:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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relic said:
Quote:

Lachlen said:

Yes they did.

For example, people moved to America, sold raw milk without regulations, sold their own meat without regulations, and sold many other things without regulations. This enabled those people to make money and wealth, which they used to create regulations that tell people today they cannot do the same thing without jumping through monetary hoops -- regulations and taxes.

You want to talk about resources? They regulated our means to barter and sell food to our neighbors. And we have no option to opt out -- or a paper to sign to say we optionally take on the risk of drinking raw milk.

That is not freedom.





Hows it going in Maine?  Kill a bear yet?




You are correct sir!


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Re: Why isn't anyone protesting their being ripped off for the last 50 years? [Re: Brian Jones] * 3
    #26373736 - 12/10/19 06:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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For example, people moved to America, sold raw milk without regulations, sold their own meat without regulations, and sold many other things without regulations



And people died. A lot of people died.

How about if you want to sell raw milk you have to take out a $10 million liability policy to cover the health care costs your milk incurs


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