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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26370792 - 12/09/19 11:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I think people are missing the point of the op. Hes basically giving options on how he wants to go, and looking for feedback. He wants to use ms syringes.... Andd looking for some advice on his options.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26370801 - 12/09/19 12:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

BRF to bulk is good.

I like mushboy idea too, josex poke to start playing with agar or brf paste since he already has it.

A bunch of people do brf to bulk and does not have a high risk if getting contaminated lol

There is a whole thread dedicated to brf to bulk. I think it’s called brf to bulk grows or something

Not sure if the blender would work but it sure does beat sitting there grating forever!


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: san pedro guy]
    #26370810 - 12/09/19 12:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Not popular but I’ve had great results with syringe to wbs quarts to coir. It’s also probably the quickest route to getting mushrooms if that’s a factor.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26370932 - 12/09/19 01:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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If you use ms then it is advised to not crumble, so any small contam doesnt get spread. Thats why the brf tek works better with ms, because crumbling is not a step.


If you want to spawn to bulk then you will have to figure out a way to do agar.




Calling BS on that...plenty of ppl crumble cakes that were inoculated with MS and spawn them to bulk and get just as much per cake as they would birthing them whole, maybe even more..




Its all about contam risk. Bulk is better for sure, but it can contam after one flush. I have had brf to bulk just stall out.

Try out agar. You will see that spore plates are dirty af. Thats what you are putting in your jars.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26370949 - 12/09/19 01:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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SpunkyMonkey88 said:
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The Mycologist said:
If you use ms then it is advised to not crumble, so any small contam doesnt get spread. Thats why the brf tek works better with ms, because crumbling is not a step.


If you want to spawn to bulk then you will have to figure out a way to do agar.




Calling BS on that...plenty of ppl crumble cakes that were inoculated with MS and spawn them to bulk and get just as much per cake as they would birthing them whole, maybe even more..




Its all about contam risk. Bulk is better for sure, but it can contam after one flush. I have had brf to bulk just stall out.

Try out agar. You will see that spore plates are dirty af. Thats what you are putting in your jars.




I use agar haven't inoculated anything with out agar first...but brf cakes can handle dirty syringes for some reason...

Shredded or not they handle MS just fine...


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26370984 - 12/09/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

rice puffs turn into agar when you boil them.. sorta.

almost.

And you dont need two hands for most agar work.

Except opening those fucking lids..


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26371011 - 12/09/19 02:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Unpopular opinion:

I took a syringe and injected 10 premade grain bags. Great success. I'm sure I'll do the same thing in the future and have a great failure, but you know what? The wasted money and materials of random failure is a good trade off for how easy the hobby has become doing it this way. Still considering agar because I'd like to be able to clone, but this is just too easy for me to not give it another go doing it this way :shrug:


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26371031 - 12/09/19 02:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

MS to grain is not RECOMMENDED. It’s very much possible though. It was the industry standard for years before the agar craze. Personally, only time ms>grain backfired was when the spores didn’t germinate 🤷🏻‍♂️.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26371045 - 12/09/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Unpopular opinion:

I took a syringe and injected 10 premade grain bags. Great success. I'm sure I'll do the same thing in the future and have a great failure, but you know what? The wasted money and materials of random failure is a good trade off for how easy the hobby has become doing it this way. Still considering agar because I'd like to be able to clone, but this is just too easy for me to not give it another go doing it this way :shrug:




Ya I know another guy on here that had (and still does have) equal success using ms to grains in shoeboxes and I used agar T2's... which clearly wasn't enough transfers to get a clean plate even tho they looked primo...

I think it's more of a matter of consistency...as in one of these days your ms syringe is bound to epically fail you

While if your using agar you should be able to isolate and work around that detrimental contam....

But at this point in a little bitter because I've been playing with agar for a couple months before transferring to grains and still ended up with 4 clearly bacterial jars out of 12...


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26371047 - 12/09/19 02:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The worst thing about MS syringe is that it could be the source of your contams, and by skipping the agar step, you preclude finding out.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26371374 - 12/09/19 04:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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McDominator said:
Unpopular opinion:

I took a syringe and injected 10 premade grain bags. Great success. I'm sure I'll do the same thing in the future and have a great failure, but you know what? The wasted money and materials of random failure is a good trade off for how easy the hobby has become doing it this way. Still considering agar because I'd like to be able to clone, but this is just too easy for me to not give it another go doing it this way :shrug:




I forgot to ask, why would you want to pay for grains in a jar?

No PC or something? I looked into them and they are ridiculous, something like 80 bucks for 12!


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26371535 - 12/09/19 05:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's all about time and energy for me. $75 for 10 bags shipped to my door. Makes 5 tubs, get 7 - 10 oz per tub. Minimal cost for the outcome. Worth saving me the headache of grain prep.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26371648 - 12/09/19 06:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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It's all about time and energy for me. $75 for 10 bags shipped to my door. Makes 5 tubs, get 7 - 10 oz per tub. Minimal cost for the outcome. Worth saving me the headache of grain prep.




So you just inoculated those 10 bags with s syringe then? How many bags went to funk?

Hopefully I'm not wasting my time with agar, 7-10 ozs X 5 is some pretty serious pounds...


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26371710 - 12/09/19 07:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yup. Did 10 bags and all 10 bags were fine. I'd imagine that if 1 bag was going to go bad they would all go bad because it would probably be from a filthy syringe.

Using these:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/512340192/5-x-3-lbs-bags-of-sterilized-hydrated?ref=landingpage_similar_listing_top-1

You can get them cheaper than the etsy pricing if you text the guy, get his address and mail him a check. Bags are top notch. I'm still relatively a newbie to all of this but this is my plan of action. Then I just do 50/50 coir verm once the bags are colonized. Like I said, may still do agar an LC in the future but this works for now :smile:


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26371726 - 12/09/19 07:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah it’s just that there’s always a chance of bunk/dirty syringes.

Plus, even if the syringe is good, agar>grain is much faster. Spores can take up to 2 weeks to germinate.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: feldman114]
    #26372279 - 12/10/19 03:31 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yes that is another downside. Took like a month to colonize. So probably want to noc up bags every 2 to 3 weeks to keep the train going.

Again, not the best method, but darn convenient if you ask me.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26372435 - 12/10/19 06:20 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

100% clean growth can have like 5 or more good flushes.

Its not just concern for wasting resources (it is in part tho). Its a loss of biological efficiency when spawn is slightly dirty.

Clean/ properly prepared spawn is so hearty, but it takes a while to even be able to tell you have achieved it.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26372495 - 12/10/19 07:01 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks all for your inputs, I was going for MS syringe due to be able to use my left hand to inoculate the bags just fine.

The grain bags I use are from a reliable UK source.

They five Wash the Grain and Hydrate to 52% and then Double Sterilised @ 135 Deg C.

The bags are 1lb in weight and when I did a mono with them I didn't use a SAB just did it in my spare room and they all turned out okay.

I mixed with a manure bulk substrate and had no contams with that particular grow.

There seems to be a consensus that grains with ms is a contam risk but then I've heard others say they have had plenty of success as long as grains are prepped correctly.

What's everyone's opinion on leaving grains exposed? I did the first time and it was fine but may have been lucky.

Next time i will save some bulk sub and just cover them over the top instead of mixing it all up, never used a casing layer before you see.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Grumio]
    #26372538 - 12/10/19 07:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The risky part could be the grain prep, but like someone else mentioned, the risk is in how clean or dirty the syringe is.

You’re injecting mainly spores but possibly some contaminants also, that’s where the biggest gamble is really...

A top layer at spawn has helped me a lot and many people do recommend it! :thumbup:


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: san pedro guy]
    #26372715 - 12/10/19 09:13 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely recommend a top layer of sub.


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