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Never speak to the police. * 1
    #26370510 - 12/09/19 09:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Not even if you think you didn't do anything wrong. It's their job to catch you doing something you are not supposed to. No matter how friendly they seem, they are not your friend. You want to remain silent, you do not consent to any search or seizure and you want to speak to a lawyer. Those are the only words you should ever say to the cops without a lawyer representing you. Ever. Don't even call the cops for anything, let someone else do that if they want to. Someone get shot? Call a medic, and let someone else talk to the police.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26370580 - 12/09/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There are some issues with that.  They'll say you were not cooperating and interfering with an investigation.  They may even get violent and sure as shit will threaten.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26370586 - 12/09/19 09:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Not if you repeat what I just outlined. They can arrest you for not cooperating but it will always get thrown out in court. That's an intimidation tactic and you can probably sue them for false arrest.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26370599 - 12/09/19 10:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Why?  I don't think you know my local court.

There is no concrete game plan.  You are assuming cops only question guilty parties.  Most of the time they question people minding their own business.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26370638 - 12/09/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You dont have to say shit if you’re minding your own business and there is no legal obligation to do so simple!

Even if you have, you have the right to remain silent.
Anything you do or don’t say may be given as evidence.

Know your rights! and when the time comes, chances are the police will fabricate a story or fit you into an ambiguous matching of description wether true or not (I’d ask, when was this person “matching my description” supposedly reported doing whatever it was) . They use this to excuse further probing or a probable search violating more privacy.

Always challenge them based on the unfairness of being subjected to being wrongfully profiled labelled or accused.

You’d be surprised how much someone can be swayed with being kind and respectful

Show no fear, tell them they are wrong...but most importantly, show respect


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Shroomerquest]
    #26370681 - 12/09/19 10:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Lol, a number of cops conduct themselves if they were a special forces death squad.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26370872 - 12/09/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

In my home town the police constantly harrassed me. I got stopped by an entire CRT team while walking down the road minding my own business. They were constantly following me around. My friends would tell me about how the police would ask them questions about me. I was a bad kid but not so much to warrant an armed invasion of my home like I am terrorist. I ended leaving Louisiana as soon as I had the chance. Now the police here treat me entirely different. Not like a suspect for sure. I keep a lawyer on retainer always.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26371189 - 12/09/19 03:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ya that is down south.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26371212 - 12/09/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You wana try living in a country where sectarian groups terrorised communities, even their own... bullied, intimidated, shot for punishment or worse...bombed or murdered

Police where nothing really In comparison to the reality surrounding even though they were more like the SS. It’s calmed down now, but fear and intimidation still permeate through society beneath the rule of law


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm] * 3
    #26384415 - 12/16/19 02:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Not even if you think you didn't do anything wrong.





It really depends on the situation. 

For example if the police find a bunch of mushrooms in your car, it may be best to talk their ears off about them.

I've tried both ways.  In 2014 they found 30 bags of mushrooms in my trunk, and I didn't speak to the police.  They arrested me for them, spent five days in jail.  They eventually tested negative and I sued the police and won, but it took a year to get my mushrooms back.

A few months ago the police found 800 bags of mushrooms in my car.  I talked their ears off about them to whoever would listen.  They eventually called a DEA agent to look at them, and after six hours they let me go, paid my car impound fees and gave all the mushrooms back.  I am sure if I had not talked to the police, they would have arrested me on serious psilocybin distribution charges and it would have taken a long time to clear up.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26384687 - 12/16/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What kind of mushrooms are they. You could have got yourself into a lot of real trouble talking to them. Doesn't matter if you are right or not. I used to think the same way about it.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26389378 - 12/18/19 07:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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What kind of mushrooms are they. You could have got yourself into a lot of real trouble talking to them. Doesn't matter if you are right or not. I used to think the same way about it.





I had about 500 different species.

I definitely would have been in a lot of trouble had I not talked to them, so I think I made the right decision.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26389733 - 12/18/19 10:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Why did you have 500 species of mushrooms in your car in the first place?


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm] * 3
    #26390514 - 12/19/19 11:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Do some research on Alan Rockefeller and you might understand lol


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: SFS96]
    #26390556 - 12/19/19 11:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Police will perhaps take you to mental institution if you refuse to speak, acting strangely.

They like to deal with people.

I've gotten away with a lot on probation by talking.  I almost went to prison.  I did enough drugs my first time, and that was felony paper.

But almost a decade of probation wore me down, that and meds.  So I realize that my path was just all I knew.  I found that there are other ways, that require less constant stress of resistance.

But I still do have bad dreams and day dreams that are of bad mood.  Which is a whole reason not to go into activities that should be a good time and would be ruined.

My best advise is to avoid activities that would attract police.  No matter how interesting they may be.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26391076 - 12/19/19 05:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I want to remain silent, I do not consent to any search or seizure and I want to speak to a lawyer. That's all I say after asking i'm free to go or being detained.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26391084 - 12/19/19 05:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well that sucks if you have a large grow behind you.  As you close and lock the door.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26391090 - 12/19/19 05:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Seeing a grow is not a legal excuse to enter or get a warrant.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26391103 - 12/19/19 05:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The cops bank on you you not knowing the law or your rights. They actually have little power.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26391142 - 12/19/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:fuckthepolice:


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26391170 - 12/19/19 05:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Seeing a grow is not a legal excuse to enter or get a warrant.





Soooo not true


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26391371 - 12/19/19 07:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Why did you have 500 species of mushrooms in your car in the first place?




It was all the mushrooms I found in Mexico this summer.

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Seeing a grow is not a legal excuse to enter or get a warrant.




Seeing a grow would definitely give them the probable cause they need to get a warrant.  It's happened to many growers of edible mushrooms.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26391614 - 12/19/19 09:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Seeing a grow gives probable cause.  Therefore no warrant.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26391656 - 12/19/19 10:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

A decent attorney could beat those charges. So what, seeing mycelium is probable cause to search a building? That violates so many constitutional rights. It's the same as the police stopping someone just for carrying a gun. It's illegal to stop and search someone for open carrying a firearm where it's legal to open carry. It's legal to grow mushrooms and therefore illegal for the police to search based solely on seeing a grow. If they see mycelium and test it for psilocybin it's an illegal search and seizure automatically.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26391664 - 12/19/19 10:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Wheres the probable cause in the first place? "it looks odd and maybe illegal"? That's not enough. Unless the cop knows exactly what he or she is looking at and can prove they knew what they were looking at then it's a bullshit charge.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26391802 - 12/20/19 02:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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A decent attorney could beat those charges.




Occasionally, but only sometimes.

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So what, seeing mycelium is probable cause to search a building?





Yes - seeing mycelium meets the standard for probable cause.  See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probable_cause.


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That violates so many constitutional rights.





Which ones does it violate?  I can't think of any off of the top of my head.


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It's the same as the police stopping someone just for carrying a gun. It's illegal to stop and search someone for open carrying a firearm where it's legal to open carry.  It's legal to grow mushrooms and therefore illegal for the police to search based solely on seeing a grow. If they see mycelium and test it for psilocybin it's an illegal search and seizure automatically.




I don't think a judge would see it that way.  Police generally don't stop people for carrying a gun in open carry areas, though talking to the person a bit wouldn't be a bad idea.

Many people who grow mycelium are growing actives, so seeing mycelium gives them cause to investigate further.  It's no different than seeing a bag of white powder on the table through a window.  Sure, it might be salt, but it could also be cocaine, so seeing it gives them probable cause to check.

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Wheres the probable cause in the first place? "it looks odd and maybe illegal"? That's not enough. Unless the cop knows exactly what he or she is looking at and can prove they knew what they were looking at then it's a bullshit charge.




Can you provide a source that says that seeing something "odd and maybe illegal" isn't probable cause to check to see if it is legal?  That's basically the point of probable cause - to give the police the ability to check out something that could be illegal.


This is another reason that psilocybin mushrooms and their cultivation should be legalized - we shouldn't be paying the police good money to police mycelium.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm] * 2
    #26391967 - 12/20/19 06:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Wheres the probable cause in the first place? "it looks odd and maybe illegal"? That's not enough. Unless the cop knows exactly what he or she is looking at and can prove they knew what they were looking at then it's a bullshit charge.



I think you very much overestimate your own power and very much underestimate that of TPTB. You seem to think you have a chance of fighting them and winning and being righteous too. You must be young and/or have very little experience with them, because as anyone who's had a bunch of run in's knows, right and wrong doesn't matter, once you're in their clutches; they'll get away with much, and you with little. It's just the nature of the beast, and the sooner you learn to understand it and work with it, the less you'll actually suffer.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26392274 - 12/20/19 10:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've beaten a lot of charges. None related to this but some things I was very guilty of.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26392279 - 12/20/19 10:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The police have to be able to reasonably assume that you are committing a crime to have probable cause to search. I'm sorry but It's just not enough to get a conviction. You would definitely be arrested but have a real good shot at getting the charges dropped with a good attorney. For instance with the firearm scenario, some places allow open carry but do not allow open loaded carry. you would think that means the police have the right to search your weapon because you may be committing a crime by having ammunition in your gun but it's not and the police cannot stop and search your firearm to check if it's loaded or not. They very much can stop and talk to you. In which case you don't have to stop or even speak to them..


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26392282 - 12/20/19 10:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not saying don't be cautious. Just don't talk to the police.


Edited by ZombiWurm (12/20/19 11:03 AM)


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26392289 - 12/20/19 11:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Man, around these parts having a record is pc.  Just having a record is more likely to be pulled over and a k9 in your vehicle.

A prosecutor will imply guilt based on past convictions.

Lot's of times the stack charges to get a guilty plea on some of the charges.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Morel Guy]
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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm] * 1
    #26392340 - 12/20/19 11:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Just don't talk to the police.



This kind of black and white thinking is immature and dangerous.

There are ABSOLUTELY times when it is better, and safer, and wiser to do so.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26392344 - 12/20/19 11:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Never VOLUNTEER to speak with the pricks


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26392351 - 12/20/19 11:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I’ve worked in the govt my entire career and believe me when I say, the cops are not your friends. They have to make their case/impress their supervisors/justify their employment like everyone. They get ALL of their evidence from YOU. Be polite, but never consent to a search or admit anything.


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    #26392353 - 12/20/19 11:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have a friend in England - a fellow biker and wild character - who, even in his late fourties, still walks away from pretty much every police interaction with them throwing the book at him.

At the same time, I get away with bloody murder with just a slap on the wrist. The difference? I treat cops like people doing a job. He treats cops like an oppressive force.

I'm not saying they're not the latter, but if you throw up a wall every time they question you of course they're gonna fuck with you.

Stay safe, and be wise out there people. Don't think in absolutes about anything in this life.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: WeKnow]
    #26392356 - 12/20/19 12:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You can't even trust them when they give you permission...



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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26392579 - 12/20/19 02:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

We can complain about police, can't change them by challenging.  It's the lawmakers that we can change.  Sorely it takes a lot of money to have much effect.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26393278 - 12/20/19 11:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Where did that take place?


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26437114 - 01/16/20 04:33 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I heard that if you truly want to become a cop, you have to drink a keg worth of piss that contains all of the urine from every member of the force's detachment.

I'm just kididng, but do you think they have their own police style hazings? Tasering themselves and whatnot?


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26442472 - 01/19/20 11:13 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I think it was in Harris county, one of the most corrupt police forces in the USA, right up there with BART SF, NYC, and Chicago.


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: DancingWolf]
    #26454660 - 01/27/20 07:15 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Did the guy really think slapping him was gonna end well?


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    #26551723 - 03/22/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What kind of mushrooms are they. You could have got yourself into a lot of real trouble talking to them. Doesn't matter if you are right or not. I used to think the same way about it.





I had about 500 different species.

I definitely would have been in a lot of trouble had I not talked to them, so I think I made the right decision.




Just curious, if you're illegal you're illegal, what in the dialogue changed the outcomes of law enforcement action?


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Re: Never speak to the police. [Re: AmazonianGuru]
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UniversalShaman said:
Just curious, if you're illegal you're illegal, what in the dialogue changed the outcomes of law enforcement action?




In my case it was because we had already been talking for hours, and they had not uncovered evidence of a crime.  Also they were very polite to me and I was very polite to them, so they were not really feeling like arresting me for something that may or may not have been a crime.  These guys find a lot of real, easily identifiable drugs every day, they don't need to bother with a few hundred bags of mushrooms which were clearly hundreds of different species.

I don't know if they knew that I have been in the exact same situation before, and sued the police and won.  That information is available on Google and could have factored into their decision.



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