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Guide me through my first grow pretty please?
    #26370476 - 12/09/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Feeling stoked fellas, and creating this thread to ask all the dumb questions that I can't seem to find great answers for before I run into a 5 alarm fire that I can't recover from  :onfire:



I don't have any shroom porn for you yet, but I will snap some pics the second I get a chance. Already had to make some adjustments to the grow.

So I just got 5 64qt tubs up and running Friday. Come Sunday I noticed some anomalies with the way the condensation was forming and attributed it to the overkill light I'm using making too much heat. Elevated the light, misted a bit to make up for evaporated water and they seem happy for now, as far as my newb eyes can tell. Running the EZ Dialed Pasty tubs, optional hole drilled, but taped over in the event I need to introduce more FAE later during pinning.

My first dumb question. I'm seeing all of these beautiful tubs with water beading up on top of the substrate. So far, I don't see that in my tubs. The sides are nice and sweaty though so I'm not super worried just yet. It has been 2 days.

Does it take time before I should see water beading up on the substrate? Is it always a requirement to have water beading up on the substrate to have a good grow?

I only know what field capacity is by the videos I have seen on the subject and tried to imitate the best I could, but it is entirely possible I botched that being a newb :grin:

I will post pictures later, promise! Thanks to all who have contributed so much to this site and made all of this possible! I wouldn't have gotten this far without you!


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26370503 - 12/09/19 09:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Give them a minute, you'll notice droplets on the colonized surface when it comes time. Patience my man.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26370590 - 12/09/19 10:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Give them a minute, you'll notice droplets on the colonized surface when it comes time. Patience my man.




Thank you, this is reassuring :smile: I just see these awesome grows everywhere and I have no idea what I should be seeing at what stages. I'm proceeding with the ART of growing with a logical, perfectionist type of mind. It all drives me a little crazy at times lol.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26370606 - 12/09/19 10:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Been there man, sometimes you just gotta wait and see how things are gonna turn out. Keep us updated with pictures.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26377607 - 12/12/19 04:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So, finally got some pics. Grow is at a buddies house and I've been busy. Here is what all the tubs look like so far:












It has been 6 days. Still don't see water beading up on the sub. What do you think so far? Look happy? Dry? Wet? Can you tell which bucket got a little extra spawn? :laugh:

Thanks! :smile:


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26377672 - 12/12/19 04:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm pretty much in the same boat with my shoeboxes wondering! I do have a few pins growing tho



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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: Sikjakass]
    #26378638 - 12/13/19 07:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

How long has it been since you spawned to bulk?


Also, I should have mentioned that the current tubs I have going are in a room that is 77F and has a fan going in it. If they look dry, I'm considering moving them to a new room.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26378674 - 12/13/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Does look dry, but maybe not.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator] * 2
    #26378688 - 12/13/19 08:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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. . . I'm proceeding with the ART of growing with a logical, perfectionist type of mind. It all drives me a little crazy at times lol.




I've cultivated various types of plants, insects, and fungi, and I can relate to engaging in perfectionist type thinking. An obsessive determination to figure out the best way to maximize results (quality, quantity, and efficiency). But over and over I've learned many of the (firm) conclusions I've reached aren't as sound as I believed. For example, after much work and evaluation, I determine XYZ is a poor soil mix. But then, years later, I meet someone using XYZ with incredibly good results, due to a difference in management.

I like the Zen idea of vigilantly maintaining "beginners mind" and not holding any opinion too tightly. I try to avoid the habitual thinking of "NOW I've figured it out!". I make more progress this way. BTW, for everyone who has concluded that RGS is a poor mushroom substrate, it's always performed beautifully for me. I've always loved RGS. It just requires the proper method. And there may be many.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26379069 - 12/13/19 11:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for that, I appreciate the insight. I do typically try to keep a "beginner's mind" with a lot of things :smile:

I'm going to try and double check on the tubs today to see how they are going. My friend just informed me he doesn't want to put them where I wanted to put them due to that being a moldy area of the house, probably not such a good idea I suppose. So alas, he may be stuck misting them every day to make up for the moisture loss :laugh:


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26383947 - 12/15/19 07:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Got my first pins! Just took off all the tape on the "optional" holes. Hoping these tubs start to fly :smile:

Getting excited!





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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26383967 - 12/15/19 07:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Your surface looks really really nice, just keep up FAE and I'm sure you'll get a full canopy


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26384164 - 12/15/19 09:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hopefully it ends up better than my first go! I have like a total of 6 monster fruits, out of 2 tubs. Hopefully my 2nd flush makes up for it.



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    #26384535 - 12/16/19 05:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Full canopy? Whoo! I hope so! Beginner's luck :wink:


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26387194 - 12/17/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So it looks like I'm ending up with some side pinning. From what I'm gathering, this is an indication of insufficient surface moisture? I have started to lightly mist the substrate to hopefully mitigate this problem. Is this a sign my substrate may have started out a little too dry?

Am I okay misting pins that are on top of the substrate or is that a no no?


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26387257 - 12/17/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Side pins are just showing there was a better micro climate on the side. Did you tamp down the substrate lightly, especially corners?


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26387264 - 12/17/19 03:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think I did my friend. So I should have really compressed it down on the sides to help avoid this?


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26387339 - 12/17/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't say really pack it, then it will take longer to colonize, but you do wanna tamp it down around the edges and the corners. I tamp the edges and corners and then the middle leveling everything out real nice for the coir casing layer.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26387372 - 12/17/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just make sure there’s little tiny water beads all over the surface. Seems like a few side pins show up no matter what most of the time.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26388086 - 12/18/19 04:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Got it. Thanks guys. I'm just worried about missing pins now :/

Crackatoa, I will certainly keep that in mind for next time.

Also for next time if I use the same tub design should I make the substrate a little bit wetter in order to avoid the surface from drying out too quickly? Or do I just need to decrease free air Exchange?

I'd hate to have a wetter substrate that still has a dry surface lol.

Using Pasty's ez dial tubs. Small holes, no fill. I could either tape a couple off or increase substrate moisture next time


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26388159 - 12/18/19 06:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You don't want allot of substrate moisture, better to be drier than wet. How was the field capacity of this substrate?


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    #26388224 - 12/18/19 07:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Being new to this, I just watched some videos on field capacity. I saw that when you squeeze pretty damn hard that basically only a few drops come out. So that's what I shot for. Seemed too dry to me, but I didn't want to screw with it. But I'm wondering if I want to go slightly wetter with the pasty tub seeing as it has a decent amount of FAE right from the start.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26388322 - 12/18/19 08:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It may be fine. I've always found over doesn't capacity gives me really short fruits. I had a canopy of Costa Rica that were all 1-1.5 inches tall. You'll notice to that sometimes the top will seem a little dry but once it starts to colonize your mycellium on top will start having moisture if that makes sense.

Not the best pic, but you can see the coir looks a little dry much the mycellium has droplets of moisture.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26388365 - 12/18/19 09:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

First of all, thank you for sticking with me on this. I really appreciate all of the insight here :smile: I'm highly motivated to be a good grower and you are definitely helping the cause :smile:

My mycelium wasn't building up a lot of water and that's why I ended up misting a bit. But now that I'm thinking of it, my friend likes to keep his room pretty warm. I'm wondering if there is no condensation forming on the sub because of the warmer air having a larger capacity to hold onto water? Hmmm.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26388374 - 12/18/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No problem, I like to see people succeed. It's possible. I try to keep mine around 75. But if it's not holding humidity, take up some holes. I use a regular mono setup and double layer my bottom holes till pinset and then I go to one layer on bottom and take off the the tape in the side upper holes.


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    #26388608 - 12/18/19 11:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Got it! Thank you for the info! I think I will do just that and tape off some holes next time.

The temp on the little thermometer read 77 degrees last time I looked and the tubs are sitting right next to a giant baseboard so I'm sure that is not helping. For the most part the sides stayed wet, just the sub seemed dry the whole time.

Is it normal for the substrate to shrink before the first flush even comes in? Seems some have shrunk down a bit.

Live and learn :smile: this has been a great learning experience overall


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26388612 - 12/18/19 11:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yep it’ll shrink and tighten up as the myc colonizes it.


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    #26388720 - 12/18/19 01:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Yep it’ll shrink and tighten up as the myc colonizes it.




Great, thanks! I thought premature shrinkage might be another sign it was not at field capacity. Good to know this is normal behavior.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26394266 - 12/21/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Guys, what causes thick fluffy mycelium? And is it a bad thing?



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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26394598 - 12/21/19 08:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That's mold


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    #26395049 - 12/22/19 06:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Dang. You're sure? I posted like 5 pics of these tubs and nobody picked up on that the entire time. Even pasty. Maybe they just were not good pics :frown: I think all of my tubs have big fluffy white stuff like this. That's a sad story

Edit: Do you think it is more likely that this is because they are in the basement? Or is it more likely that it was dirty spawn?


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    #26395126 - 12/22/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I’ve had small patches of myc like that pop up in between flushes while it regroups but only here and there. I wonder how those pins will do


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26398877 - 12/24/19 09:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

OKAY. Update fellas. My friend and I have been busy..... HARVESTING. We aren't going to get a lot for how many tubs we have. HOPING for 10oz dried. 10oz from 5 tubs is no bueno in my book. So I have big plans for the next grow. Also, the white fluffy stuff in the pic I posted is definitely just thick mycelium. I plucked some and played with it. It's just like the rubbery skin of a mush. I still have no idea why that happened but I'm working on figuring it out.


Here are some of my thoughts for any other newbs out there who may end up reading this:

Things that I learned the hard way:

1) I think the definition of "field capacity" I found was a bit on the dry side for my environment. So next time, I'm going a little wetter.

2) It's hard to judge what you did incorrectly and know enough to correct it on the first grow. You want your babies to have everything they need, but try your hardest not to sweat it if you screw up and know there's always next time.

3) Find a tub design that you think will work for you and stick with it. If one tub didn't work, try to figure out why and make small tweaks. If you change too many things at once you won't know what works and there's the potential for other things to mess up the next grow. There's also the possibility of over correcting a problem.

4) Don't be afraid to experiment!

My next grow I'm going to have different tubs in different configurations. All the same Pasty EZ Dialed design, with varying amounts of tape over holes, and in different places in the house. Maybe even one with a casing layer. Then I'm not going to touch a damn thing. No misting, no opening the lids, NOTHING. The one that grows the best wins as the low maintenance configuration going forward.

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I’ve had small patches of myc like that pop up in between flushes while it regroups but only here and there. I wonder how those pins will do




That tub is not pinning well at all.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26412138 - 01/02/20 09:10 AM (4 years, 27 days ago)

Can one of yous guys answer a dumb question for me?

In my months of reading I haven't come across this tidbit of information, I just read this for the first time:

Are we supposed to put a top layer of substrate over the exposed grains after mixing in the spawn? I've heard of a casing layer, but I thought this was something else.


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Re: Guide me through my first grow pretty please? [Re: McDominator]
    #26412206 - 01/02/20 09:44 AM (4 years, 27 days ago)

Casing and top layer are different.

I’ve found a top layer to help a lot. Just mix up your sub and spawn like normal and level it out, then add about 1/3 inch layer of coir or whatever you use on top of that and level it again. I have very low humidity and this makes a world of difference for me.

Casing is usually a layer of peat moss and verm applied the same way as a top layer.


I had the same problem with field capacity too. Either I was squeezing too hard when i checked or because of how dry my room is, but that was something I figured out a few shoeboxes in and my first flush weights prob went up 50% lol.

I agree with not messing with things or worrying about them, which is sooo much easier once you’ve got some shrooms. My first grow I couldn’t stop messing with.


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    #26412240 - 01/02/20 10:10 AM (4 years, 27 days ago)

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Casing and top layer are different.

I’ve found a top layer to help a lot. Just mix up your sub and spawn like normal and level it out, then add about 1/3 inch layer of coir or whatever you use on top of that and level it again. I have very low humidity and this makes a world of difference for me.

Casing is usually a layer of peat moss and verm applied the same way as a top layer.


I had the same problem with field capacity too. Either I was squeezing too hard when i checked or because of how dry my room is, but that was something I figured out a few shoeboxes in and my first flush weights prob went up 50% lol.

I agree with not messing with things or worrying about them, which is sooo much easier once you’ve got some shrooms. My first grow I couldn’t stop messing with.




Sweet dude. Thank you, I will do just that for next time :smile:

And that makes me feel better about my decision on the field capacity!!

Cheers


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