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If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down?
    #26370457 - 12/09/19 08:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Good afternoon all,

I have a few small grows under my belt with okay success.

I am trying to decide what route to go down now and stick to it.

So far I have made BRF cakes and fruited in a SGFC – Using a MS syringe.

I have also injected rye grain bags with MS syringe and spawned to hpoo/straw bulk.

I have also injected BRF bags with MS syringe and crumbled with bulk hpoo/straw.

I had no issues with MS syringe direct to grain and they worked well although I have since heard using MS syringe to grains is quick way to get contams, is this true?

I have also heard that BRF is less likely to contam so I am stuck whether to stick with BRF or Grains?

For now I only have the time to deal with MS syringes (from a reputable source that have always worked so far) and don’t have the ability to learn AGAR just yet although it is on the list.

If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down?

BRF to bulk
Grains to bulk
BRF as cakes

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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Grumio]
    #26370466 - 12/09/19 08:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

1 drop to brf paste.

You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy]
    #26370472 - 12/09/19 08:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

MS to Uncle Bens rice bag, then Uncle Bens to Coir in a shoebox.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy]
    #26370473 - 12/09/19 08:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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1 drop to brf paste.

You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut




WHAT?!

$25 for a still air box (SAB) and yer set for life!!

Id get one of those 1lb bags of rye from ShroomSupply for like $7 for a one time test for funzies

But seriously. Agar is so easy to learn 😎👍


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: YogiBear]
    #26370485 - 12/09/19 09:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ms-brf cakes-clone fruit(s):mushroom::mushroom:-agar-grain-coir...:mushroom::mushroom::mushroom::mushroom:


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26370533 - 12/09/19 09:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Put a drop on your tongue, let us know how it tastes, lol, seriously tho, out of your choices, I would go brf to bulk, if you havent seen mushroomnate thread, you gotta check it out. Killed it with shoeboxes, some killer grows from brf to bulk.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #26370540 - 12/09/19 09:32 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

@Mush, I started searching up BRF paste, never knew about it.  Can you give me the gist of what you do with it?

OP
You can order pretty cheap pre made agar plates and a $10 tub for a SAB.  It really doesn’t take much time or money.  PF tek to bulk would be my thought though if you can’t do agar.  Hate to waste time and energy taking on spore solution straight to grain and cross your fingers.  Awesome if it has already worked out for you.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SunnyDayze]
    #26370547 - 12/09/19 09:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Take brf and some water to make a smearable paste and slap some in a pastyplate or whatever. Steam/PC 60min?

Wish I had a better pic:blush:


Anyway you can use it like agar. I'm going to crank out a batch wednesday.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #26370551 - 12/09/19 09:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Cool option, thanks for explaining.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy]
    #26370556 - 12/09/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:takingnotes:


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy]
    #26370573 - 12/09/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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mushboy said:
1 drop to brf paste.

You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut




WHAT?!

$25 for a still air box (SAB) and yer set for life!!

Id get one of those 1lb bags of rye from ShroomSupply for like $7 for a one time test for funzies

But seriously. Agar is so easy to learn ����



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1 drop to brf paste.

You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut




Thanks for all the replies, not learning Agar is solely down to having surgery on my main hand. I have months of physio before i'll be able to use it properly.
Looking at all the AGAR teks i would need somewhat steady hands and also a bandaged up hand probably isn't the cleanest of things to have inside a SAB.

Can anyone confirm if the MS to grain is more likely to contam because i found it a lot easier mixing grains with bulk substrate than crumbling up 1lb brf cakes?

Speaking of which , anybody ever used a blender/food processor to whizz up the cake before spawning?


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Grumio]
    #26370607 - 12/09/19 10:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I know it's not a popular method around here, but the MS to Uncle Bens (classic brown rice) is probably the easiest method for growing. You just need some micropore tape. You cut the corner off the bag, squirt some MS in, tape the corner. Do this all as sterile work. 15 days later it's colonized. You break it up into pasteurized coir or if  you like you can do no boil coir. Then sit back and wait. And Uncle bens works well enough for gourmet and actives.

The major drawback is that the Uncle Bens grows are far more expensive than BRF cakes.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: christopera]
    #26370640 - 12/09/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I know it's not a popular method around here, but the MS to Uncle Bens (classic brown rice) is probably the easiest method for growing. You just need some micropore tape. You cut the corner off the bag, squirt some MS in, tape the corner. Do this all as sterile work. 15 days later it's colonized. You break it up into pasteurized coir or if  you like you can do no boil coir. Then sit back and wait. And Uncle bens works well enough for gourmet and actives.

The major drawback is that the Uncle Bens grows are far more expensive than BRF cakes.




If that method works so good why wouldn't you just make some brown rice and can it in a jar so you can actually watch it colonize? Y

You cant even see the rice in the bag right?


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: christopera]
    #26370641 - 12/09/19 10:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would say your odds would be better with brf, but if you had success to grains, roll with it. Maybe just do some 1/2 pts as well too, for a safeguard, you could also do brf cakes that are bigger than a 1/2 PT using Tupperware. That way you could do more at a time if your looking for volume. It feels like there might be some experimenting in your future! Lol.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26370679 - 12/09/19 10:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I know it's not a popular method around here, but the MS to Uncle Bens (classic brown rice) is probably the easiest method for growing. You just need some micropore tape. You cut the corner off the bag, squirt some MS in, tape the corner. Do this all as sterile work. 15 days later it's colonized. You break it up into pasteurized coir or if  you like you can do no boil coir. Then sit back and wait. And Uncle bens works well enough for gourmet and actives.

The major drawback is that the Uncle Bens grows are far more expensive than BRF cakes.




If that method works so good why wouldn't you just make some brown rice and can it in a jar so you can actually watch it colonize? Y

You cant even see the rice in the bag right?





You just look through the bottom of the bag where the plastic is translucent. Once the rice is fully colonized on the bottom, you give it a few more days then you crack it open. Basically the same as BRF. Keep in mind, both subs are brown rice, it's just that the Uncle Ben's are sterilized in a rather effective industrial method.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: christopera]
    #26370696 - 12/09/19 10:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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christopera said:
I know it's not a popular method around here, but the MS to Uncle Bens (classic brown rice) is probably the easiest method for growing. You just need some micropore tape. You cut the corner off the bag, squirt some MS in, tape the corner. Do this all as sterile work. 15 days later it's colonized. You break it up into pasteurized coir or if  you like you can do no boil coir. Then sit back and wait. And Uncle bens works well enough for gourmet and actives.

The major drawback is that the Uncle Bens grows are far more expensive than BRF cakes.




If that method works so good why wouldn't you just make some brown rice and can it in a jar so you can actually watch it colonize? Y

You cant even see the rice in the bag right?





You just look through the bottom of the bag where the plastic is translucent. Once the rice is fully colonized on the bottom, you give it a few more days then you crack it open. Basically the same as BRF. Keep in mind, both subs are brown rice, it's just that the Uncle Ben's are sterilized in a rather effective industrial method.




I see what your saying but that's nothing close to brf jars... it interesting that people have success with such a method though as it's very similar to MS to grains...

I say its similar because the brown rice isn't ground up and mixed with vermiculite...

brf jars are 2/3verm so going to straight whole brown rice would presumably have 3x the BE of the same amount of brf/verm mix...

Or very similar to the be of grain jars..

I grew oysters from brown rice before just sterilized cooked grains put on a quart jar and squirted ms into it... it actually looked very good... and I got some fruits but nothing substantial because I did not have proper growing conditions and I spawned it to sawdust and then stretched it out further to shredded paper..


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26370719 - 12/09/19 11:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well, everybody is spawning the uncle bens to pasteurized coir just as most do with oats or other grains. Whereas, yes, BRF is both the spawn and the sub. It's just two different processes, but the spawn is the in fact the same genetic makeup. I suppose you could spawn it to verm and just have a shoebox sized BRF cake, but that seems silly to me.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Grumio]
    #26370735 - 12/09/19 11:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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YogiBear said:
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mushboy said:
1 drop to brf paste.

You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut




WHAT?!

$25 for a still air box (SAB) and yer set for life!!

Id get one of those 1lb bags of rye from ShroomSupply for like $7 for a one time test for funzies

But seriously. Agar is so easy to learn ����



Quote:

mushboy said:
1 drop to brf paste.

You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut




Thanks for all the replies, not learning Agar is solely down to having surgery on my main hand. I have months of physio before i'll be able to use it properly.
Looking at all the AGAR teks i would need somewhat steady hands and also a bandaged up hand probably isn't the cleanest of things to have inside a SAB.

Can anyone confirm if the MS to grain is more likely to contam because i found it a lot easier mixing grains with bulk substrate than crumbling up 1lb brf cakes?

Speaking of which , anybody ever used a blender/food processor to whizz up the cake before spawning?





Bummer dude. Could you handle a syringe? Look up josex poke:borfase:


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Grumio]
    #26370756 - 12/09/19 11:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If you use ms then it is advised to not crumble, so any small contam doesnt get spread. Thats why the brf tek works better with ms, because crumbling is not a step.


If you want to spawn to bulk then you will have to figure out a way to do agar.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26370780 - 12/09/19 11:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If you use ms then it is advised to not crumble, so any small contam doesnt get spread. Thats why the brf tek works better with ms, because crumbling is not a step.


If you want to spawn to bulk then you will have to figure out a way to do agar.




Calling BS on that...plenty of ppl crumble cakes that were inoculated with MS and spawn them to bulk and get just as much per cake as they would birthing them whole, maybe even more..


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26370792 - 12/09/19 11:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think people are missing the point of the op. Hes basically giving options on how he wants to go, and looking for feedback. He wants to use ms syringes.... Andd looking for some advice on his options.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #26370801 - 12/09/19 12:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

BRF to bulk is good.

I like mushboy idea too, josex poke to start playing with agar or brf paste since he already has it.

A bunch of people do brf to bulk and does not have a high risk if getting contaminated lol

There is a whole thread dedicated to brf to bulk. I think it’s called brf to bulk grows or something

Not sure if the blender would work but it sure does beat sitting there grating forever!


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: san pedro guy]
    #26370810 - 12/09/19 12:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Not popular but I’ve had great results with syringe to wbs quarts to coir. It’s also probably the quickest route to getting mushrooms if that’s a factor.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26370932 - 12/09/19 01:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If you use ms then it is advised to not crumble, so any small contam doesnt get spread. Thats why the brf tek works better with ms, because crumbling is not a step.


If you want to spawn to bulk then you will have to figure out a way to do agar.




Calling BS on that...plenty of ppl crumble cakes that were inoculated with MS and spawn them to bulk and get just as much per cake as they would birthing them whole, maybe even more..




Its all about contam risk. Bulk is better for sure, but it can contam after one flush. I have had brf to bulk just stall out.

Try out agar. You will see that spore plates are dirty af. Thats what you are putting in your jars.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26370949 - 12/09/19 01:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If you use ms then it is advised to not crumble, so any small contam doesnt get spread. Thats why the brf tek works better with ms, because crumbling is not a step.


If you want to spawn to bulk then you will have to figure out a way to do agar.




Calling BS on that...plenty of ppl crumble cakes that were inoculated with MS and spawn them to bulk and get just as much per cake as they would birthing them whole, maybe even more..




Its all about contam risk. Bulk is better for sure, but it can contam after one flush. I have had brf to bulk just stall out.

Try out agar. You will see that spore plates are dirty af. Thats what you are putting in your jars.




I use agar haven't inoculated anything with out agar first...but brf cakes can handle dirty syringes for some reason...

Shredded or not they handle MS just fine...


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26370984 - 12/09/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

rice puffs turn into agar when you boil them.. sorta.

almost.

And you dont need two hands for most agar work.

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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26371011 - 12/09/19 02:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Unpopular opinion:

I took a syringe and injected 10 premade grain bags. Great success. I'm sure I'll do the same thing in the future and have a great failure, but you know what? The wasted money and materials of random failure is a good trade off for how easy the hobby has become doing it this way. Still considering agar because I'd like to be able to clone, but this is just too easy for me to not give it another go doing it this way :shrug:


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26371031 - 12/09/19 02:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

MS to grain is not RECOMMENDED. It’s very much possible though. It was the industry standard for years before the agar craze. Personally, only time ms>grain backfired was when the spores didn’t germinate 🤷🏻‍♂️.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26371045 - 12/09/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Unpopular opinion:

I took a syringe and injected 10 premade grain bags. Great success. I'm sure I'll do the same thing in the future and have a great failure, but you know what? The wasted money and materials of random failure is a good trade off for how easy the hobby has become doing it this way. Still considering agar because I'd like to be able to clone, but this is just too easy for me to not give it another go doing it this way :shrug:




Ya I know another guy on here that had (and still does have) equal success using ms to grains in shoeboxes and I used agar T2's... which clearly wasn't enough transfers to get a clean plate even tho they looked primo...

I think it's more of a matter of consistency...as in one of these days your ms syringe is bound to epically fail you

While if your using agar you should be able to isolate and work around that detrimental contam....

But at this point in a little bitter because I've been playing with agar for a couple months before transferring to grains and still ended up with 4 clearly bacterial jars out of 12...


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26371047 - 12/09/19 02:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The worst thing about MS syringe is that it could be the source of your contams, and by skipping the agar step, you preclude finding out.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26371374 - 12/09/19 04:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Unpopular opinion:

I took a syringe and injected 10 premade grain bags. Great success. I'm sure I'll do the same thing in the future and have a great failure, but you know what? The wasted money and materials of random failure is a good trade off for how easy the hobby has become doing it this way. Still considering agar because I'd like to be able to clone, but this is just too easy for me to not give it another go doing it this way :shrug:




I forgot to ask, why would you want to pay for grains in a jar?

No PC or something? I looked into them and they are ridiculous, something like 80 bucks for 12!


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26371535 - 12/09/19 05:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's all about time and energy for me. $75 for 10 bags shipped to my door. Makes 5 tubs, get 7 - 10 oz per tub. Minimal cost for the outcome. Worth saving me the headache of grain prep.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26371648 - 12/09/19 06:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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It's all about time and energy for me. $75 for 10 bags shipped to my door. Makes 5 tubs, get 7 - 10 oz per tub. Minimal cost for the outcome. Worth saving me the headache of grain prep.




So you just inoculated those 10 bags with s syringe then? How many bags went to funk?

Hopefully I'm not wasting my time with agar, 7-10 ozs X 5 is some pretty serious pounds...


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26371710 - 12/09/19 07:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yup. Did 10 bags and all 10 bags were fine. I'd imagine that if 1 bag was going to go bad they would all go bad because it would probably be from a filthy syringe.

Using these:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/512340192/5-x-3-lbs-bags-of-sterilized-hydrated?ref=landingpage_similar_listing_top-1

You can get them cheaper than the etsy pricing if you text the guy, get his address and mail him a check. Bags are top notch. I'm still relatively a newbie to all of this but this is my plan of action. Then I just do 50/50 coir verm once the bags are colonized. Like I said, may still do agar an LC in the future but this works for now :smile:


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26371726 - 12/09/19 07:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah it’s just that there’s always a chance of bunk/dirty syringes.

Plus, even if the syringe is good, agar>grain is much faster. Spores can take up to 2 weeks to germinate.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: feldman114]
    #26372279 - 12/10/19 03:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yes that is another downside. Took like a month to colonize. So probably want to noc up bags every 2 to 3 weeks to keep the train going.

Again, not the best method, but darn convenient if you ask me.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: McDominator]
    #26372435 - 12/10/19 06:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

100% clean growth can have like 5 or more good flushes.

Its not just concern for wasting resources (it is in part tho). Its a loss of biological efficiency when spawn is slightly dirty.

Clean/ properly prepared spawn is so hearty, but it takes a while to even be able to tell you have achieved it.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26372495 - 12/10/19 07:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks all for your inputs, I was going for MS syringe due to be able to use my left hand to inoculate the bags just fine.

The grain bags I use are from a reliable UK source.

They five Wash the Grain and Hydrate to 52% and then Double Sterilised @ 135 Deg C.

The bags are 1lb in weight and when I did a mono with them I didn't use a SAB just did it in my spare room and they all turned out okay.

I mixed with a manure bulk substrate and had no contams with that particular grow.

There seems to be a consensus that grains with ms is a contam risk but then I've heard others say they have had plenty of success as long as grains are prepped correctly.

What's everyone's opinion on leaving grains exposed? I did the first time and it was fine but may have been lucky.

Next time i will save some bulk sub and just cover them over the top instead of mixing it all up, never used a casing layer before you see.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Grumio]
    #26372538 - 12/10/19 07:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The risky part could be the grain prep, but like someone else mentioned, the risk is in how clean or dirty the syringe is.

You’re injecting mainly spores but possibly some contaminants also, that’s where the biggest gamble is really...

A top layer at spawn has helped me a lot and many people do recommend it! :thumbup:


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: san pedro guy]
    #26372715 - 12/10/19 09:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Definitely recommend a top layer of sub.


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26372816 - 12/10/19 09:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'd noc up some cakes and spawn em to coir.

First ever "bulk" grow was one cake to coir in a baby formula can.



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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: christopera]
    #26507977 - 02/28/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'd like to try this. I also cannot go to agar and PC work right, for lack of privacy and space. Do you know of any threads where this is talked about, or demonstrated more?


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: bucket]
    #26508151 - 02/28/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

sounds like your sayin u live in ur parents house or somewhere thats not your own. i strongly advise not to grow in someones house without their permission and knowledge of it cuz that aint cool at all you would be putting them in a bad spot legally and ethically


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: jcm4620] * 1
    #26508167 - 02/28/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

ms to agar, agar to grain, g2g, spawn, clone, agar to grain, gsg, spawn...


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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Backbone]
    #26508171 - 02/28/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Well done :thumbup::thumbup:

I would do either PF Tek again or agar to grain to spawn.


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