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Grumio

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If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down?
#26370457 - 12/09/19 08:47 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good afternoon all,
I have a few small grows under my belt with okay success.
I am trying to decide what route to go down now and stick to it.
So far I have made BRF cakes and fruited in a SGFC – Using a MS syringe.
I have also injected rye grain bags with MS syringe and spawned to hpoo/straw bulk.
I have also injected BRF bags with MS syringe and crumbled with bulk hpoo/straw.
I had no issues with MS syringe direct to grain and they worked well although I have since heard using MS syringe to grains is quick way to get contams, is this true?
I have also heard that BRF is less likely to contam so I am stuck whether to stick with BRF or Grains?
For now I only have the time to deal with MS syringes (from a reputable source that have always worked so far) and don’t have the ability to learn AGAR just yet although it is on the list.
If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down?
BRF to bulk Grains to bulk BRF as cakes
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Grumio]
#26370466 - 12/09/19 08:53 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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1 drop to brf paste.
You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy]
#26370472 - 12/09/19 08:56 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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MS to Uncle Bens rice bag, then Uncle Bens to Coir in a shoebox.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy]
#26370473 - 12/09/19 08:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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mushboy said: 1 drop to brf paste.
You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut
WHAT?!
$25 for a still air box (SAB) and yer set for life!!
Id get one of those 1lb bags of rye from ShroomSupply for like $7 for a one time test for funzies
But seriously. Agar is so easy to learn 😎👍
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: YogiBear]
#26370485 - 12/09/19 09:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ms-brf cakes-clone fruit(s) -agar-grain-coir...  
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Zifozonke]
#26370533 - 12/09/19 09:28 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Put a drop on your tongue, let us know how it tastes, lol, seriously tho, out of your choices, I would go brf to bulk, if you havent seen mushroomnate thread, you gotta check it out. Killed it with shoeboxes, some killer grows from brf to bulk.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy] 1
#26370540 - 12/09/19 09:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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@Mush, I started searching up BRF paste, never knew about it. Can you give me the gist of what you do with it?
OP You can order pretty cheap pre made agar plates and a $10 tub for a SAB. It really doesn’t take much time or money. PF tek to bulk would be my thought though if you can’t do agar. Hate to waste time and energy taking on spore solution straight to grain and cross your fingers. Awesome if it has already worked out for you.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SunnyDayze]
#26370547 - 12/09/19 09:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Take brf and some water to make a smearable paste and slap some in a pastyplate or whatever. Steam/PC 60min?
Wish I had a better pic

Anyway you can use it like agar. I'm going to crank out a batch wednesday.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy] 1
#26370551 - 12/09/19 09:38 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool option, thanks for explaining.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy]
#26370556 - 12/09/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: mushboy]
#26370573 - 12/09/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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YogiBear said:
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mushboy said: 1 drop to brf paste.
You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut
WHAT?!
$25 for a still air box (SAB) and yer set for life!!
Id get one of those 1lb bags of rye from ShroomSupply for like $7 for a one time test for funzies
But seriously. Agar is so easy to learn
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mushboy said: 1 drop to brf paste.
You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut
Thanks for all the replies, not learning Agar is solely down to having surgery on my main hand. I have months of physio before i'll be able to use it properly. Looking at all the AGAR teks i would need somewhat steady hands and also a bandaged up hand probably isn't the cleanest of things to have inside a SAB.
Can anyone confirm if the MS to grain is more likely to contam because i found it a lot easier mixing grains with bulk substrate than crumbling up 1lb brf cakes?
Speaking of which , anybody ever used a blender/food processor to whizz up the cake before spawning?
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Grumio]
#26370607 - 12/09/19 10:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know it's not a popular method around here, but the MS to Uncle Bens (classic brown rice) is probably the easiest method for growing. You just need some micropore tape. You cut the corner off the bag, squirt some MS in, tape the corner. Do this all as sterile work. 15 days later it's colonized. You break it up into pasteurized coir or if you like you can do no boil coir. Then sit back and wait. And Uncle bens works well enough for gourmet and actives.
The major drawback is that the Uncle Bens grows are far more expensive than BRF cakes.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: christopera]
#26370640 - 12/09/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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christopera said: I know it's not a popular method around here, but the MS to Uncle Bens (classic brown rice) is probably the easiest method for growing. You just need some micropore tape. You cut the corner off the bag, squirt some MS in, tape the corner. Do this all as sterile work. 15 days later it's colonized. You break it up into pasteurized coir or if you like you can do no boil coir. Then sit back and wait. And Uncle bens works well enough for gourmet and actives.
The major drawback is that the Uncle Bens grows are far more expensive than BRF cakes.
If that method works so good why wouldn't you just make some brown rice and can it in a jar so you can actually watch it colonize? Y
You cant even see the rice in the bag right?
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: christopera]
#26370641 - 12/09/19 10:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would say your odds would be better with brf, but if you had success to grains, roll with it. Maybe just do some 1/2 pts as well too, for a safeguard, you could also do brf cakes that are bigger than a 1/2 PT using Tupperware. That way you could do more at a time if your looking for volume. It feels like there might be some experimenting in your future! Lol.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26370679 - 12/09/19 10:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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SpunkyMonkey88 said:
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christopera said: I know it's not a popular method around here, but the MS to Uncle Bens (classic brown rice) is probably the easiest method for growing. You just need some micropore tape. You cut the corner off the bag, squirt some MS in, tape the corner. Do this all as sterile work. 15 days later it's colonized. You break it up into pasteurized coir or if you like you can do no boil coir. Then sit back and wait. And Uncle bens works well enough for gourmet and actives.
The major drawback is that the Uncle Bens grows are far more expensive than BRF cakes.
If that method works so good why wouldn't you just make some brown rice and can it in a jar so you can actually watch it colonize? Y
You cant even see the rice in the bag right?
You just look through the bottom of the bag where the plastic is translucent. Once the rice is fully colonized on the bottom, you give it a few more days then you crack it open. Basically the same as BRF. Keep in mind, both subs are brown rice, it's just that the Uncle Ben's are sterilized in a rather effective industrial method.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: christopera]
#26370696 - 12/09/19 10:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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christopera said:
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SpunkyMonkey88 said:
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christopera said: I know it's not a popular method around here, but the MS to Uncle Bens (classic brown rice) is probably the easiest method for growing. You just need some micropore tape. You cut the corner off the bag, squirt some MS in, tape the corner. Do this all as sterile work. 15 days later it's colonized. You break it up into pasteurized coir or if you like you can do no boil coir. Then sit back and wait. And Uncle bens works well enough for gourmet and actives.
The major drawback is that the Uncle Bens grows are far more expensive than BRF cakes.
If that method works so good why wouldn't you just make some brown rice and can it in a jar so you can actually watch it colonize? Y
You cant even see the rice in the bag right?
You just look through the bottom of the bag where the plastic is translucent. Once the rice is fully colonized on the bottom, you give it a few more days then you crack it open. Basically the same as BRF. Keep in mind, both subs are brown rice, it's just that the Uncle Ben's are sterilized in a rather effective industrial method.
I see what your saying but that's nothing close to brf jars... it interesting that people have success with such a method though as it's very similar to MS to grains...
I say its similar because the brown rice isn't ground up and mixed with vermiculite...
brf jars are 2/3verm so going to straight whole brown rice would presumably have 3x the BE of the same amount of brf/verm mix...
Or very similar to the be of grain jars..
I grew oysters from brown rice before just sterilized cooked grains put on a quart jar and squirted ms into it... it actually looked very good... and I got some fruits but nothing substantial because I did not have proper growing conditions and I spawned it to sawdust and then stretched it out further to shredded paper..
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26370719 - 12/09/19 11:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, everybody is spawning the uncle bens to pasteurized coir just as most do with oats or other grains. Whereas, yes, BRF is both the spawn and the sub. It's just two different processes, but the spawn is the in fact the same genetic makeup. I suppose you could spawn it to verm and just have a shoebox sized BRF cake, but that seems silly to me.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Grumio]
#26370735 - 12/09/19 11:20 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Grumio said:
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YogiBear said:
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mushboy said: 1 drop to brf paste.
You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut
WHAT?!
$25 for a still air box (SAB) and yer set for life!!
Id get one of those 1lb bags of rye from ShroomSupply for like $7 for a one time test for funzies
But seriously. Agar is so easy to learn
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mushboy said: 1 drop to brf paste.
You dont have the ability to learn agar? Wut
Thanks for all the replies, not learning Agar is solely down to having surgery on my main hand. I have months of physio before i'll be able to use it properly. Looking at all the AGAR teks i would need somewhat steady hands and also a bandaged up hand probably isn't the cleanest of things to have inside a SAB.
Can anyone confirm if the MS to grain is more likely to contam because i found it a lot easier mixing grains with bulk substrate than crumbling up 1lb brf cakes?
Speaking of which , anybody ever used a blender/food processor to whizz up the cake before spawning?
Bummer dude. Could you handle a syringe? Look up josex poke
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: Grumio]
#26370756 - 12/09/19 11:28 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you use ms then it is advised to not crumble, so any small contam doesnt get spread. Thats why the brf tek works better with ms, because crumbling is not a step.
If you want to spawn to bulk then you will have to figure out a way to do agar.
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Re: If you only had MS syringe to use, what route would you go down? [Re: The Mycologist]
#26370780 - 12/09/19 11:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Mycologist said: If you use ms then it is advised to not crumble, so any small contam doesnt get spread. Thats why the brf tek works better with ms, because crumbling is not a step.
If you want to spawn to bulk then you will have to figure out a way to do agar.
Calling BS on that...plenty of ppl crumble cakes that were inoculated with MS and spawn them to bulk and get just as much per cake as they would birthing them whole, maybe even more..
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