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San Pedro Goo
#26370449 - 12/09/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok so i broke my phone and no longer have pics of anything but the final product but I was wondering if you think this is enough for 2 people? 1 person or more... i took 4 feet of san pedro roughly and they were all very healthy looking tops. I cut them up and took the core out. put it into a blender and did NOT use the 1/1 water method. i used a lot less but the cook down still took hours.. like 4 to 6
well i didnt wanna drink too much liquid so i let it keep going almost to a tar like consistancy its like green goop. i froze it so we can use it when i want and im gonna split it up blend it into something and down it as i think its too think and gnarly to eat on its own.
so should i add some liquid and blend to ingest? or should i let a friend try to see if its active?
idk, anyone cooked down way far and still had a good trip? i felt like i lost some liquid when straining also... hope i got enough. ill get a pic of the jar if i can
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: SnowDaze] 1
#26370519 - 12/09/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's no pic attached, but my advice is to add back in at least a gallon of water, boil it again for a bit (I would personally do it all day for that much plant matter) and once that's done, let it settle out for several hours at least (preferably a day or more).
Properly boiled, all of your alks are in the liquid-- if you have enough water-- all you have to do is let gravity work for you and you'll get a huge majority of the slime/plant matter to sediment at the bottom of your jar-- then you just pour off the clear liquid off into your final holding vessel, ready to drink, and if desired you can filter the mixed/sediment at the bottom through cloth or other filter--
I don't even filter mine usually-- just letting it sit long enough in the fridge will drop out most of the crap that makes you sick, which I just throw away.
Also, I always tell people to add concentrated coffee to your drink when you take it-- it makes the taste far better and is symbiotic with the cactus. I also add Mexican Terragon, which is a common additive to Cimora and tastes very good-- seriously, it's good.
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: coAsTal]
#26370534 - 12/09/19 09:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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its frozen so it just looks like brown goo in the bottom of a jar ice crystals did form inside ill get a pic when i can..
so boil it more and pour off the top? i was a liquid but when i froze it now its a solid block with ice forming kinda
ill get a pic soon when i can
mesc should be in there tho right? why does the cook time matter?
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: SnowDaze]
#26370578 - 12/09/19 09:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The longer you boil the better the extraction from the plant cells-- highly recommend a solid day of slow simmer-- you can keep the lid on at just hot enough to bubble a little and the water won't evap much.
You *can* just clarify what you have and it will work, but if you used a small amount of water for your original boil you are unlikely to have gotten all the alks out as well as you would want-- so adding in more liquid and reboiling longer will give more space for the alks to migrate into. You can always reduce your clarified liquid after you remove the sediment.
Pour your finished liquid into a big narrow container to let it settle-- I use a gallon mason jar but you could use a milk jug or anything similar-- the goal is to have all the sediment drop to the very bottom, leaving a good way to carefully pour off the clarified liquid that has all the alks in it without pouring in the slime at the bottom. Freezing it is actually good because it binds together the solids in the freezing process and also breaks open cells to expose them to the water-- and the particulates will sink out better when you thaw it out.
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: coAsTal]
#26370603 - 12/09/19 10:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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i dont think i used a small amount of water i just couldnt fit that full amount i feel like so i didnt want to add more later after i cooked it past the snot stage.
ok thanks for the info, maybe i will add water and cook it a little more and try to remove the sediment. although i thought 4 feet to maybe 4-6 oz wasnt bad but maybe i was thinking wrong.
i can go get more and start over but then i have to find the right one and have a ceremony
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: SnowDaze]
#26370608 - 12/09/19 10:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You might be OK-- just keep in mind that if you don't dilute the goo and settle out/filter the plant matter you will be more likely to puke it up-- the alks are in the water, not the plant matter. You want to get that sediment out to avoid significant stomach issues if you can.
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: coAsTal]
#26370629 - 12/09/19 10:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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so at the top of the jar its full of ice crystals and i can actually see water in the sludge separate from the plant matter. maybe i can separate them... i just dont wanna lose the goods.
im not worried about throwing up at all... it doesnt bother me like some people. but maybe now ill take the frozen mix and add some water, simmer it down but this time strain through a fine metal strainer.
or maybe we will just go to the desert and split it.. idk at this point ill try and get pics im not on my comp
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: SnowDaze]
#26370648 - 12/09/19 10:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just let the container thaw out completely, and pour off the liquid leaving the sediment that will drop to the bottom. The water will have your alks-- promise.
It's your call on if you want to reboil the sediment with some new water and add that in to your first pull-- again I can't see what you're working with so you'll have to decide on that part.
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: SnowDaze] 1
#26370659 - 12/09/19 10:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Next time don't blend the cactus at all, just chop it into small pieces like cubes of half an inch. Then boil for several hours. The longer the better, at least 5 to 7 hours. 12 is better. Two or tree pulls of three hours with fresh water each time is best. Then combine the liquids. As coastal said, the alks are in the liquid not the plantmatter. You can filter out the half-inch pieces very easily with a fine colander /sieve. Blended cactus sludge is very hard to filter.. Gravity filtering is a good idea. I alway do this. Helps to get rid of all the small particles.
Then just drink. Or redue down to a cup, or dry down to tar and scrape up the solid and ingest by swallowing pieces like small pills.
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My no-taste-no-nausea san pedro method consists of maybe 3 or 6 oz of concentrated tea (left overnight and decanted from sediment) consumed with a couple ginger root pills. The bitterness is almost completely mitigated if a straw is used and placed at the back of the mouth over the tongue. I chase it with a little lemon or lime juice and water.
I think the tar is a pain in the ass and there's a chance the mesc could get burned after all the water has evaporated.
Also, when making the tea I dice it into chunks, do 3 freeze and thaws, PC 3 or 4 times (or until chunks are no longer bitter) at 15 min and drain the water through a t shirt over a bucket without ever squeezing or pressing on the chunks. I really think this helps minimize plant material in the tea.
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: coAsTal]
#26375785 - 12/11/19 06:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also, I always tell people to add concentrated coffee to your drink when you take it-- it makes the taste far better and is symbiotic with the cactus. I also add Mexican Terragon, which is a common additive to Cimora and tastes very good-- seriously, it's good.

There's some anecdotal evidence out there suggesting coffee is a potentiator for mescaline. Whether it's some compound in the coffee or the caffine itself I don't know but one of my favorite things to do when I have mesc HCL extract is to microdose with around 40mg and a cup of coffee. It's incredibly energizing and euphoric.
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: Maldozer]
#26376076 - 12/11/19 08:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maldozer said: and drain the water through a t shirt over a bucket without ever squeezing or pressing on the chunks. I really think this helps minimize plant material in the tea.
I bet you're right that this method minimizes plant material in the tea. That helps a lot to make the tea more palatable.
But what about the liquid left in the cactus chunks? You discard it with the chunks? You could probably squeeze a good amount of liquid out of those chunks.
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: Grey Fox]
#26376863 - 12/12/19 09:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maldozer said: and drain the water through a t shirt over a bucket without ever squeezing or pressing on the chunks. I really think this helps minimize plant material in the tea.
I bet you're right that this method minimizes plant material in the tea. That helps a lot to make the tea more palatable.
But what about the liquid left in the cactus chunks? You discard it with the chunks? You could probably squeeze a good amount of liquid out of those chunks.
I used to squeeze it out of the chunks with every boil but after 4 boils the water that comes out has pretty much no bitterness left so I'm assuming there's no mesc left. I did this for my last trip with 950g of bridgesii and it was by far my strongest trip to date.
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: Maldozer]
#26376962 - 12/12/19 10:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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950g is a lot.
A few months ago I prepared 12 inches of bridgesii mutant (penis plant) for raw ingestion, cut out the core and was left with ~150g of raw flesh. That was enough for a medium to strong trip, comparable to 120mics of lsd (a pretty solid trip). Not on the high end, but powerfull enough to have a really good time with good visuals. Pretty much like any other bridgesii I tried so far, just "a foot worth".
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But that was only 150g. 950 is like 6 times that ammount. 
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: Maldozer]
#26377229 - 12/12/19 01:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maldozer said: and drain the water through a t shirt over a bucket without ever squeezing or pressing on the chunks. I really think this helps minimize plant material in the tea.
I bet you're right that this method minimizes plant material in the tea. That helps a lot to make the tea more palatable.
But what about the liquid left in the cactus chunks? You discard it with the chunks? You could probably squeeze a good amount of liquid out of those chunks.
I used to squeeze it out of the chunks with every boil but after 4 boils the water that comes out has pretty much no bitterness left so I'm assuming there's no mesc left. I did this for my last trip with 950g of bridgesii and it was by far my strongest trip to date.
Ok that makes sense. I have always done a single long boil. So whatever you might be losing from the liquid still in the chunks would be very minimal in terms of alks. Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
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Pandemoon said: 950g is a lot.
A few months ago I prepared 12 inches of bridgesii mutant (penis plant) for raw ingestion, cut out the core and was left with ~150g of raw flesh. That was enough for a medium to strong trip, comparable to 120mics of lsd (a pretty solid trip). Not on the high end, but powerfull enough to have a really good time with good visuals. Pretty much like any other bridgesii I tried so far, just "a foot worth".
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But that was only 150g. 950 is like 6 times that ammount. 
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i used at least 4x the amount pictured. i wish i could get the pic back
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: SnowDaze]
#26380232 - 12/13/19 09:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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How you put a simple cup of tea difficultly. Seems making mescaline hcl easy as ever. It is.
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Hello all, is there an ideal ratio of water to diced cactus?
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I've never seen an ideal ratio-- just remember the goal of keeping your plant matter covered with water at all times, and more time is better than less.
Maybe someone else can give more specifics--
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#26384776 - 12/16/19 09:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Making the tea is a lot like cooking a soup or stew. If you keep the lid on then the loss of water is minimal. But if you uncover the lid then the liquid will evaporate off as the tea cooks. So definitely use enough water to keep all the pieces covered. As long as the lid is on and the heat is not turned up too high then you should not get surprised by running out of liquid in the pot. And you can remove the lid and let some of the water steam off when you want to reduce it down.
Personally I like to start with a big pot of water. I leave the lid on for the first 6 hours or so. Then I remove the lid and let it reduce down to the amount I want, which usually takes another 6 to 8 hours. But I never let the tea come to a hard boil. It works really well for me, but that is just one way to do it. And there are many different ways. Experiment with it and you'll find the approach that works best for you. Luckily the cactus is fairly forgiving in terms of the prep. People seem to get dissappointed when they use weak cuttings or they dont use enough plant material or they dont cook the tea for long enough. As long as you avoid those pitfalls you should be good.
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: Grey Fox]
#26406964 - 12/29/19 09:52 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Maldozer said: and drain the water through a t shirt over a bucket without ever squeezing or pressing on the chunks. I really think this helps minimize plant material in the tea.
I bet you're right that this method minimizes plant material in the tea. That helps a lot to make the tea more palatable.
But what about the liquid left in the cactus chunks? You discard it with the chunks? You could probably squeeze a good amount of liquid out of those chunks.
After 4 PC's the water that comes out is pretty clear and has very little to zero bitterness so I don't think there are any goodies left in the chunks. I used to squeeze them but I just toss them these days.
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Pandemoon said: 950g is a lot.
A few months ago I prepared 12 inches of bridgesii mutant (penis plant) for raw ingestion, cut out the core and was left with ~150g of raw flesh. That was enough for a medium to strong trip, comparable to 120mics of lsd (a pretty solid trip). Not on the high end, but powerfull enough to have a really good time with good visuals. Pretty much like any other bridgesii I tried so far, just "a foot worth".
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But that was only 150g. 950 is like 6 times that ammount. 
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I'm not aware of anyone ever quantifying the mescaline content of mutant bridgesii but i've read some anecdotal evidence that suggests it is potent. Based on your description from 150g fresh I suspect you have a good one.
Assuming your plant had around 93% water that would put you between around 100mg and 200mg of mescaline if it was 1% - 2% mescaline. I feel like even 200mg is still on the light side though. Then again bridgesii is known to have lots of other alkaloids contributing to it's effects.
When I boiled down my 950g its because I was tired of having weak pachanoi. I figured my bridgesii was somewhere between 0.3% and 1% since that's where the numbers seem to fall. So maybe between 200mg and 665mg at 93% water. Or over 1300mg if I hit the jackpot on a 2% plant. Cactus is fun.
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Re: San Pedro Goo [Re: Maldozer]
#26407417 - 12/30/19 08:13 AM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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So what is true content or San Pedro? Less than 1%?
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#26407421 - 12/30/19 08:16 AM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Widely variable, SnowDaze-- you can have some specimens with almost no alks detectable, and other (very rare) examples with an astonishing amount, approaching 5% by weight.
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