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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26368977 - 12/08/19 12:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldnt have to resist if I werent being forced in the first place. No matter hoe you look at it, at the end of the day, taxes are collected at gunpoint. If the police couldnt stop people from resisting they couldnt collect taxes reliably.

The government is the one setting the rules. not me. and If I dont consent to the rules then its them that is compelling me to do something I dont consent to.

If Jim tries to rape Zoey and Zoey resists, can Jim claim self defense for killing her? No. Jim is the one that initiated the confrontation without the consent of Zoey.

If someone tried to rob me and I resist and get killed for my trouble, was I in the wrong?


if someone wants a property real bad and they offer to pay the landlord more than what their current renant is paying the landlord shouldnt be able to take that deal when the current lease expires? why would you have any say in that? so there is alot more to consider.

and again, at the end of the day none of it really matters. You dont own the property. You shouldnt be able to decide who is in the right or wrong in regards to what they do with their property. You can have your own opinions and if you want to invest in rental propertied then you can conduct your own business but we should have the right to own and control our own property.

Does it matter what I think you should do with your house if you own one? no because its your property.

If I tell you to let me borrow your tooth brush for 5$ should you have to? no. its your property.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26369005 - 12/08/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I wouldnt have to resist if I werent being forced in the first place. No matter hoe you look at it, at the end of the day, taxes are collected at gunpoint. If the police couldnt stop people from resisting they couldnt collect taxes reliably.

The government is the one setting the rules. not me. and If I dont consent to the rules then its them that is compelling me to do something I dont consent to.
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If you don't like the rules in one country, you can move to another
what you are complaining about is you don't want to participate in Canadian society at the same level as other contributing citizens
and that you feel prepared to get violent with citizens who opt to try and put you into rehabilitation circumstances appropriate to the country

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BANANA.MAN said:
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If Jim tries to rape Zoey and Zoey resists, can Jim claim self defense for killing her? No. Jim is the one that initiated the confrontation without the consent of Zoey.
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So you are saying if you initiate a confrontation with the police you can't go on and claim self-defense after being the aggressor

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If someone tried to rob me and I resist and get killed for my trouble, was I in the wrong?
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No, but you have not shown that the government is robbing you, so this comparison is not worth much

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if someone wants a property real bad and they offer to pay the landlord more than what their current renant is paying the landlord shouldnt be able to take that deal when the current lease expires? why would you have any say in that? so there is alot more to consider.
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Legally, that is accurate in Québec
if your tenant leaves of their own accord, you are free to charge any price for the appartment when you seek a new tenant
but you can't legally eject people on a whim because you want more money
unless you use a loophole to do so

we already considered the impact of such loopholes, you previously claimed to be against them

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and again, at the end of the day none of it really matters. You dont own the property. You shouldnt be able to decide who is in the right or wrong in regards to what they do with their property. You can have your own opinions and if you want to invest in rental propertied then you can conduct your own business but we should have the right to own and control our own property.

Does it matter what I think you should do with your house if you own one? no because its your property.

If I tell you to let me borrow your tooth brush for 5$ should you have to? no. its your property.




I still have a packaged Alexisonfire toothbrush from when they used to tour in my high school days
George used to give lectures at their concerts between songs on how important it is to brush in order to avoid plaque and gingivitis


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika]
    #26369075 - 12/08/19 01:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

1. The constitution says I cant be compelled to leave. I'm not saying only I shouldnt have to pay taxes which go toward redistributive programs. nobody should. It's not voluntary. you changed it from "its not theft" to "everyone has to do it" if i steal from evrry citizen of a country ive still stolen.

the definition of theft is taking something against someone's will and not giving it back. so it soesnt matter if everyone has to do it. it meets those criteria.


2. yes thats what I'm saying. and if the government initiates a confrontarion with me by trying to take my money without my consent, they cant claim self defense either.

3. they are raking my money away by force and the readon they get away with it because they apply the threat of force. they are taking money against my will. that is stealing.

if i tell a bank teller give me the money or else ill use force, if they give it to me willingly at that piint its still theft because I coerced them with the threat of force.

4. woah, woah, I said I was against rhe loophole you described in which your father broke the terms of a lease. I specifically said "once the current leae expires" in the point you replied to. you even quoted it. So you just made a total false equivalency.

by the way you payed tour fatger under the table so acctually according to you saying he wasnt allowed to charge more he acctually didnt follow a legal loophole. he broke the law he just didnt get caaught. so that loophole doesnt acctually exist your father just broke the law. a loophole allows someone to do something legally.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26369099 - 12/08/19 01:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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1. The constitution says I cant be compelled to leave. I'm not saying only I shouldnt have to pay taxes which go toward redistributive programs. nobody should. It's not voluntary. you changed it from "its not theft" to "everyone has to do it" if i steal from evrry citizen of a country ive still stolen.

the definition of theft is taking something against someone's will and not giving it back. so it soesnt matter if everyone has to do it. it meets those criteria.

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As mentioned earlier, it is justly returned through the services you enjoy
if you walk on public roads or sidewalks to get to work to earn your money, you are using tax funded services to do it

your problem is that you feel certain things (like healthcare, specifically abortion funding and the positive impacts on health and social systems) is something you individually don't want to pay for
while enjoying other aspects of the things that willing participants collectively provide for

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2. yes thats what I'm saying. and if the government initiates a confrontarion with me by trying to take my money without my consent, they cant claim self defense either.
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Yes, but the example you have provided is you initiating a violent confrontation with police, not the other way around

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3. they are raking my money away by force and the readon they get away with it because they apply the threat of force. they are taking money against my will. that is stealing.
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The government gets money from me in the form of taxes because I enjoy the services the government provides through them
I am a willing participant in Canadian society

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4. woah, woah, I said I was against rhe loophole you described in which your father broke the terms of a lease. I specifically said "once the current leae expires" in the point you replied to. you even quoted it. So you just made a total false equivalency.




And it was already shown that the legal distinction for leases in Québec is that they are continued unless voided
so the only way to eject a tenant "once the current lease expires" is via loophole


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26369104 - 12/08/19 01:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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by the way you payed tour fatger under the table so acctually according to you saying he wasnt allowed to charge more he acctually didnt follow a legal loophole. he broke the law he just didnt get caaught. so that loophole doesnt acctually exist your father just broke the law. a loophole allows someone to do something legally.




I had a written lease and paid legally
Have no idea where you got the idea of my paying him under the table
also paid my own utilities and filed taxes with my apartment as my legal address


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika]
    #26369183 - 12/08/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
1. The constitution says I cant be compelled to leave. I'm not saying only I shouldnt have to pay taxes which go toward redistributive programs. nobody should. It's not voluntary. you changed it from "its not theft" to "everyone has to do it" if i steal from evrry citizen of a country ive still stolen.

the definition of theft is taking something against someone's will and not giving it back. so it soesnt matter if everyone has to do it. it meets those criteria.

...




As mentioned earlier, it is justly returned through the services you enjoy
if you walk on public roads or sidewalks to get to work to earn your money, you are using tax funded services to do it

your problem is that you feel certain things (like healthcare, specifically abortion funding and the positive impacts on health and social systems) is something you individually don't want to pay for
while enjoying other aspects of the things that willing participants collectively provide for

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BANANA.MAN said:
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2. yes thats what I'm saying. and if the government initiates a confrontarion with me by trying to take my money without my consent, they cant claim self defense either.
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Yes, but the example you have provided is you initiating a violent confrontation with police, not the other way around

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BANANA.MAN said:
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3. they are raking my money away by force and the readon they get away with it because they apply the threat of force. they are taking money against my will. that is stealing.
...




The government gets money from me in the form of taxes because I enjoy the services the government provides through them
I am a willing participant in Canadian society

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BANANA.MAN said:
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4. woah, woah, I said I was against rhe loophole you described in which your father broke the terms of a lease. I specifically said "once the current leae expires" in the point you replied to. you even quoted it. So you just made a total false equivalency.




And it was already shown that the legal distinction for leases in Québec is that they are continued unless voided
so the only way to eject a tenant "once the current lease expires" is via loophole



things that prevent the rights to life, liberty and property from being actively infringed should be funded by the government. such as police. police need rodes to reach people and do patrols. so roads fall under that umbrella. another thing is they are nonexcludable. once a road is built it doesnt cost much more to let everyone use it as opposed to a certain group of people. and another thing is that everyone needs roads. so they are not redistributive. with healthcare for example, health is highly linked to personal behavior and many other factors. you will no doubt have an uneven distribution. so they are not "justly returned" by any stretch of the imagination. people should have the cchoice to enter into agreements with private insurance companies. but compelling people to be apart of a system in which their money will be taken on terms other than their own is a violation of the right to property.

again its not that I have a problem specifically with things that I dont want to participate in. thats a separate issue about freedom of conscience. even if its something that benefits me, I dont want to other people to be compelled to provide it for me. we all benefit from roads because are are all in the same physical space and we need to travel through that space or at least our resources do.  but regardless roads are needed for police and military uses so they are necessary fort the protection of life, liberty and property. 

2. no I did not initiate the confrontation or even the violence. they initiated the violent confrontation. I didnt go with them so they tried to  use physical force subdue me. I tried to get away so they persisted. If they never put their hands on me in the first place I wouldnt have had to try to escape in the first place. if they just said come with me id say no and they didnt touch me then I wouldnt so anything.

in the situation where Jim tried to rape zoey he was subduing her without her consent. are you saying if she fights back then shes initiating a violent interaction?

3. Again you are conflating government with society. I can participate in society without having my rights violated. Society should be based on free association and consent.

I'm not a willing participant. I do not consent. because of the violatiion of rights and the ineffectiveness of non competitive government monopolies. I would much prefer the swiss system to the Canadian system.

4. can you clarify that last point? are you saying the loophole its self is that he was able to evict them once the lease expired?

If the lease expired then whats the issue? the people entered the deal and agreed to the terms. One of the terms is when the deal expires. If I agree to rent you a property for 6 months I agree you have a right to live there for 6 months. I said both parties must follow the terms of the agreement. the expiration date is part of the agreement.

Maybe I am not understanding. what do you mean by "the legal distinction for leases"


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26369186 - 12/08/19 02:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

"the legal rent controls in Montréal dictated that my father could not kick them out and find someone to pay higher rent
unless he actually put in enough work to the apartment to make an increase in rent reflect paying to cover the work that was done

instead, he took a loophole, kicked them out with no recourse and was off to the races"


you said he wasnt allowed to kick them out and charge someone more yet charged you more. I assumed the loophole was that if he was providing a dwelling to someone for free he was allowed to evict them so he pretended that he was letting you stay there for free and charged you more.

then you made it sound like he broke the lease but now it sounds like you are saying the lease expired. 

can you explain this loophole more please? why was he allowed to charge you more?


Edited by BANANA.MAN (12/08/19 02:14 PM)


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26369200 - 12/08/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
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Tantrika said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
1. The constitution says I cant be compelled to leave. I'm not saying only I shouldnt have to pay taxes which go toward redistributive programs. nobody should. It's not voluntary. you changed it from "its not theft" to "everyone has to do it" if i steal from evrry citizen of a country ive still stolen.

the definition of theft is taking something against someone's will and not giving it back. so it soesnt matter if everyone has to do it. it meets those criteria.

...




As mentioned earlier, it is justly returned through the services you enjoy
if you walk on public roads or sidewalks to get to work to earn your money, you are using tax funded services to do it

your problem is that you feel certain things (like healthcare, specifically abortion funding and the positive impacts on health and social systems) is something you individually don't want to pay for
while enjoying other aspects of the things that willing participants collectively provide for

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BANANA.MAN said:
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2. yes thats what I'm saying. and if the government initiates a confrontarion with me by trying to take my money without my consent, they cant claim self defense either.
...




Yes, but the example you have provided is you initiating a violent confrontation with police, not the other way around

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BANANA.MAN said:
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3. they are raking my money away by force and the readon they get away with it because they apply the threat of force. they are taking money against my will. that is stealing.
...




The government gets money from me in the form of taxes because I enjoy the services the government provides through them
I am a willing participant in Canadian society

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BANANA.MAN said:
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4. woah, woah, I said I was against rhe loophole you described in which your father broke the terms of a lease. I specifically said "once the current leae expires" in the point you replied to. you even quoted it. So you just made a total false equivalency.




And it was already shown that the legal distinction for leases in Québec is that they are continued unless voided
so the only way to eject a tenant "once the current lease expires" is via loophole



things that prevent the rights to life, liberty and property from being actively infringed should be funded by the government. such as police. police need rodes to reach people and do patrols. so roads fall under that umbrella. another thing is they are nonexcludable. once a road is built it doesnt cost much more to let everyone use it as opposed to a certain group of people. and another thing is that everyone needs roads. so they are not redistributive. with healthcare for example, health is highly linked to personal behavior and many other factors. you will no doubt have an uneven distribution. so they are not "justly returned" by any stretch of the imagination. people should have the cchoice to enter into agreements with private insurance companies. but compelling people to be apart of a system in which their money will be taken on terms other than their own is a violation of the right to property.

again its not that I have a problem specifically with things that I dont want to participate in. thats a separate issue about freedom of conscience. even if its something that benefits me, I dont want to other people to be compelled to provide it for me. we all benefit from roads because are are all in the same physical space and we need to travel through that space or at least our resources do.  but regardless roads are needed for police and military uses so they are necessary fort the protection of life, liberty and property. 
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everyone needs varying degrees of healthcare through all stages of their life, so not seeing the contrast you perceive against roads

so we are back at the point that you feel healthcare is not necessary

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2. no I did not initiate the confrontation or even the violence. they initiated the violent confrontation. I didnt go with them so they tried to  use physical force subdue me. I tried to get away so they persisted. If they never put their hands on me in the first place I wouldnt have had to try to escape in the first place. if they just said come with me id say no and they didnt touch me then I wouldnt so anything.

in the situation where Jim tried to rape zoey he was subduing her without her consent. are you saying if she fights back then shes initiating a violent interaction?
...




You are arguing that law enforcement is important enough to be funded by the government
but when they pursue you for breaking the law and being delinquent on your tax payments, like a tenant who does not pay rent, you argue that they are initiating violent confrontation

sorry Jim, your refusal to support Canadian citizens does not entitle you to use of Officer Zoey's body

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BANANA.MAN said:
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3. Again you are conflating government with society. I can participate in society without having my rights violated. Society should be based on free association and consent.

I'm not a willing participant. I do not consent. because of the violatiion of rights and the ineffectiveness of non competitive government monopolies. I would much prefer the swiss system to the Canadian system.
...




So you profess to not being a willing participant in the Canadian system
the Charter says you cannot be compelled to go, but it is also not blocking your right to leave
so why stick around and whine about how the government defends some things you do like but other things you don't like?

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4. can you clarify that last point? are you saying the loophole its self is that he was able to evict them once the lease expired?

If the lease expired then whats the issue? the people entered the deal and agreed to the terms. One of the terms is when the deal expires. If I agree to rent you a property for 6 months I agree you have a right to live there for 6 months. I said both parties must follow the terms of the agreement. the expiration date is part of the agreement.

Maybe I am not understanding. what do you mean by "the legal distinction for leases"




The loophole was not used in the time frame of the expired lease in my father's case
but because of the information provided to you earlier about the legal body that handles rent affairs in Québec
"once the current lease expires" is in no way a distinction to how leases are actually legally handled
so the only way to get out of it in that time frame, is through the same use of loophole as any other point in the lease


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26369204 - 12/08/19 02:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The police initiate the violent situation by coming in with guns drawn.  Fuck them.  Maybe if their very existence wasn’t an undo financial burden and taxes weren’t wasted ludicrously banana man wouldn’t feel the way he does


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26369210 - 12/08/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
"the legal rent controls in Montréal dictated that my father could not kick them out and find someone to pay higher rent
unless he actually put in enough work to the apartment to make an increase in rent reflect paying to cover the work that was done

instead, he took a loophole, kicked them out with no recourse and was off to the races"


you said he wasnt allowed to kick them out and charge someone more yet charged you more. I assumed the loophole was that if he was providing a dwelling to someone for free he was allowed to evict them so he pretended that he was letting you stay there for free and charged you more.

then you made it sound like he broke the lease but now it sounds like you are saying the lease expired. 

can you explain this loophole more please? why was he allowed to charge you more?




a family member can be used to void a tenant lease
once voided, it acts as tho the tenant turned down a lease offer and left, even tho they were ejected
meaning that all rent controls are absent, and any price can be asked

if you want the real fun side of it all
my father is a large man with like 40+ years of industrial construction lifting and welding
and while he handles all the rent collection and fixit jobs while he is not away for work
his name does not appear on measures of ownership for the buildings -- he prefers to stay as far out of the system as possible
and instead has all of his possessions under his wife's name

he also lives in Québec, but refuses to learn French
which means he can't be compelled to work there, because any English position would be too much of a % pay cut compared to what other provinces pay him
so between jobs in Saskatchewan, he sits at home and collects EI to get as much of his tax money back as possible


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26369212 - 12/08/19 02:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:fuckthepolice:


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26369220 - 12/08/19 02:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

1. its not about whether or not I feel it is nessecary. Its the redistributive nature.

We all need healthcare. If i stay up for days at a time on meth and eat nothing but sugar, and drink liquor out of the bottle all day, Is that not going to effect the level of healthcare I reuqire?

and way to focus on one point among many. roads are needed for police and military, and they are non excludable building the acctual road is the big cost. it doesnt cost much more to let everyone use them once they are built. healthcare is not the same. each person requires their own doctors visits, medication, screenings, procedures and their needs will be based on many factors, among them personal choice which plays a very large role in health. everyone requires new things all the time and some people will use vastly more resources than others.

btw thats why we have pannels of people deciding whether or not its worth it for the government to spend the money and they should let them die.

2. a) its not about whats important enough. its about whether not the government is protecting life, liberty and property. healthcare is extremely important. its also my responsibility to provide for myself.

b) a tenant who doesnt pay rent is violating a voluntary agreement. I never consented to having to pay taxes which will be put toward redistributive programs. total false equivalency.

c)so just to be clear, if zoey resist rape by pushing a guy who is trying to subdue her away she is initiating a violent interaction?

3. Well I may move some day.

by saying I will take your money and put it toward a redistributive system unless you leave the government is compelling me to leave. If someone is being annoying then yes I can chose to leave or not. If I'm left with a choice between having my right to property taken by force or leaving that is coersive.

Its not about whether or not I like it. its about whether or not natural rights are being violated.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika]
    #26369232 - 12/08/19 02:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Tantrika you know my position by now. If the lease is not expired the person should not be allowed to be evicted. I am against the loophole as you have described it. Not sure what you keep bringing it up for because you're making it sound like there is a disagreement and its confusing me.

once again. if there is an agreement associated with a property, no loopholes unless they are specifically stated in the contract which is agreed to by both parties should allow the landlord to evict the tennant before the agreement expires. I dont care what the law in quebec is. agreements should not be violated.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26369233 - 12/08/19 02:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
1. its not about whether or not I feel it is nessecary. Its the redistributive nature.

We all need healthcare. If i stay up for days at a time on meth and eat nothing but sugar, and drink liquor out of the bottle all day, Is that not going to effect the level of healthcare I reuqire?

and way to focus on one point among many. roads are needed for police and military, and they are non excludable building the acctual road is the big cost. it doesnt cost much more to let everyone use them once they are built. healthcare is not the same. each person requires their own doctors visits, medication, screenings, procedures and their needs will be based on many factors, among them personal choice which plays a very large role in health. everyone requires new things all the time and some people will use vastly more resources than others.

btw thats why we have pannels of people deciding whether or not its worth it for the government to spend the money and they should let them die.
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My main reason for bringing up roads in the first place is knowing first hand how much better roads are maintained in Ontario than in the Praries
which sucks from a driving perspective, because potholes destroy cars
but rocks from a redistributive perspective, because our roads are less travelled than other parts of the country

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2. a) its not about whats important enough. its about whether not the government is protecting life, liberty and property. healthcare is extremely important. its also my responsibility to provide for myself.
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healthcare protects life and liberty

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2.b) a tenant who doesnt pay rent is violating a voluntary agreement. I never consented to having to pay taxes which will be put toward redistributive programs. total false equivalency.
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But you seem to consent to other things, like roads
so you are being selective based on what you feel is appropriate and/or most benefits you as an individual rather than Canadian society at large

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2.c)so just to be clear, if zoey resist rape by pushing a guy who is trying to subdue her away she is initiating a violent interaction?
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No, if Officer Zoey resists exploitation by pushing a delinquent, she is not initiating a violent interaction


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3. Well I may move some day.

by saying I will take your money and put it toward a redistributive system unless you leave the government is compelling me to leave. If someone is being annoying then yes I can chose to leave or not. If I'm left with a choice between having my right to property taken by force or leaving that is coersive.

Its not about whether or not I like it. its about whether or not natural rights are being violated.




and could you please use the information provided to show that natural rights are being violated via providing for you through taxed income
or, alternatively, housing, feeding, and rehabilitating you at a cost to other tax payers


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26369239 - 12/08/19 03:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Tantrika you know my position by now. If the lease is not expired the person should not be allowed to be evicted. I am against the loophole as you have described it. Not sure what you keep bringing it up for because you're making it sound like there is a disagreement and its confusing me.

once again. if there is an agreement associated with a property, no loopholes unless they are specifically stated in the contract which is agreed to by both parties should allow the landlord to evict the tennant before the agreement expires. I dont care what the law in quebec is. agreements should not be violated.




Am simply asking how your position actually relates to the realities of the agreements as they exist in Québec

by saying that you don't care what the law in Québec is, you are saying you don't care about the terms of the rental agreements being violated

you keep trying to ascribe your moral feelings on the matter to what is instead handled by what is considered legal and just to citizens


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika]
    #26369247 - 12/08/19 03:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

What is legal is a far cry from just and moral.


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    #26369257 - 12/08/19 03:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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What is legal is a far cry from just and moral.




then is your position that the rich should be able to eject the poor at whim, and use the police to hold them down should they object

or do you agree with me that Québec is in the right by legally protecting innocent citizens from the more powerful?


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    #26369260 - 12/08/19 03:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Way to take what I’m saying entirely out of context.  That’s exactly what I’m saying :cookiemonster:

Just because A = legal and B = immoral, doesn’t mean that there is a definitive overlap of the two ideas


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika]
    #26369261 - 12/08/19 03:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

1. roads should be funded by the residents of the area in which they belong. your taces from the praries should not go toward our roads in Ontario.

2. No it doesnt. You are going around in circles Ive already explained this. Protecting a right means preventing people from actively taking it away. preventing murder is protecting the right to life. preventing theft is protecting the right to property. actively giving someone money is not protecting their right to property. A right is something that cant be taken away ftom you. Not someone that you entitled to for free and someone is required to give you at their expense.

3.  total misread of what I said. It feels like gou arent even trying to understanf anymore. I'm being selective based on very specific criterea that I have repeated over and over.

Its not based on what benefits individuals and I never said it was. at all. not once. that is simply untrue.

I said things which PROTECT RIGHTS not PROVIDE FREE THINGS AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS

roads are required for police and military. they are also non excludable.

you are combining two scenarios first of all which appears to me to be an attenpt to be dishonest I hope that wasnt your intention.

so simply because the government declares use of force ok in a given situation its ok? so it wss ok for nazis to confiscate property from jews  and arrest them for being jewish and if the jews resisted they would have been innitiating a violent interaction?

4. whomever gets less than he/she paid in is having their right to property violated and whomever gets more than he/she paid in is benefitting from the violation of the right to property.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26369262 - 12/08/19 03:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Way to take what I’m saying entirely out of context.  That’s exactly what I’m saying :cookiemonster:




My bad, thought you were responding to the context of my post that you replied to
did not realize it was just an unrelated one-liner


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