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Zantac Recall
    #26368829 - 12/08/19 11:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There are several threads on this forum that recommends Zantac ( an OTC heartburn medication) to people to deal with nausea while tripping.

There is a recall underway for this OTC medication.

It’s my understanding that drug may have some sort of
Contamination. Research the recall for yourself if applicable.
You should probably trash it if you have any.

Maybe this should be pinned for a while for others to see.


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: LittleSeed]
    #26368832 - 12/08/19 11:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.

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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: mushboy]
    #26368834 - 12/08/19 11:06 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Why on earth take an OTC with illegal drugs?


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: mushboy]
    #26368838 - 12/08/19 11:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure, I just sip on some ginger-ale. But people do use Zantac as well.


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: LittleSeed] * 2
    #26368845 - 12/08/19 11:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Couldnt pay me to take that shit. Most heartburn is from poor diets.

I cant help but notice everyone I know who says they have heartburn are either heavy drinkers, smokers or fat asses.


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: mushboy]
    #26368859 - 12/08/19 11:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I’ve certainly noticed it amongst drinkers. Drinking and shrooms definitely don’t go together IMO.


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: LittleSeed]
    #26368944 - 12/08/19 12:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I use zantac for my heartburn, i was using Limonene for a good while there which helps majorly for heartburn but i recently wanted to get away from the Limonene so i started back taking zantac. It definitely works for heartburn, not really for nausea or vomiting though, Limonene does though. But idc about the recall, i've taken zantac for years, so it doesn't bother me, but there are other h2 blockers out there like pepcid or tagamet. And it's not the zantac itself that's bad, just apparently contaminated products.


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26368953 - 12/08/19 12:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If I don’t make a tea, right after I eat the shrooms, I take 100% peppermint oil with a little water to chase it. It’s helps with stomach upset and gas.


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: LittleSeed]
    #26369160 - 12/08/19 01:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've never heard of anyone recommending zantac for nausea while tripping. I doubt it would have any effect. In fact it might even make the nausea worse.

The nausea caused by mushrooms is at least partially a direct effect of the drug itself. Psilocin binds to 5HT3 which is the same receptor that causes nausea in radiation and chemotherapy patients.

The other thing that causes nausea is the uncooked mushroom material which is hard to digest. And there's lots of other things that could cause it too, like the mushrooms being contaminated or having gone bad, etc.


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: nooneman]
    #26369323 - 12/08/19 03:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

All that nasty pharmaceutical does is foul up the body's acid response.

Taling any antacid is generally a bad idea, as that type of indigestion is an indicator of dietary issues-- taking antacids for acid burning feelings is like taking a painkiller when your hand is on fire-- not only is it NOT doing anything whatsoever to address the root cause of the dysfunction, but it compounds what's already wrong by perverting what your body is trying to do to address a dysfunction.

Antacids also screw up your digestive system's ability to absorb nutrients and properly digest food-- just think about how you adjust a PH when you're doing an extraction to release the alkaloids-- taking that trash drug (and all others like it) screws up your digestive system's acid balance-- you can't fix a problem by just masking it with a symptom.

If you have a problem with acid reflux, look at the root causes-- always start with a primary focus on the junk you're routinely eating as the first and most likely culprit-- cut out sugars and alcohol, just eat vegetables for a couple days and dollars to donuts you'll notice your symptoms evaporate by a large margin-- keep experimenting to see what it is that's the main cause.

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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: coAsTal]
    #26369405 - 12/08/19 04:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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All that nasty pharmaceutical does is foul up the body's acid response.

Taling any antacid is generally a bad idea, as that type of indigestion is an indicator of dietary issues-- taking antacids for acid burning feelings is like taking a painkiller when your hand is on fire-- not only is it NOT doing anything whatsoever to address the root cause of the dysfunction, but it compounds what's already wrong by perverting what your body is trying to do to address a dysfunction.

Antacids also screw up your digestive system's ability to absorb nutrients and properly digest food-- just think about how you adjust a PH when you're doing an extraction to release the alkaloids-- taking that trash drug (and all others like it) screws up your digestive system's acid balance-- you can't fix a problem by just masking it with a symptom.

If you have a problem with acid reflux, look at the root causes-- always start with a primary focus on the junk you're routinely eating as the first and most likely culprit-- cut out sugars and alcohol, just eat vegetables for a couple days and dollars to donuts you'll notice your symptoms evaporate by a large margin-- keep experimenting to see what it is that's the main cause.

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I agree, i'm pretty sure i messed up my esophageal sphincter due to years of drinking coca cola and pepsi, i don't think we're meant to consume acidic drinks all the time, and that doing so can erode the sphincter, so i don't think there's any hope for me. But this is one reason i recommend Limonene for heartburn, it works by getting digestion going, so kind of like a prokinetic agent i guess, it doesn't decrease stomach acid content, but helps to get digestion going and expels the acid and bile and stuff like would normally occur in digestion. But anything that decreases or counteracts stomach acidity will end up causing sluggish digestion, mess with the microbiome, and probably cause some issues in the long run. Still though, i like zantac, as long as i don't consume too much of a dosage, all seems well, for the most part.


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: nooneman]
    #26369487 - 12/08/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I've never heard of anyone recommending zantac for nausea while tripping. I doubt it would have any effect. In fact it might even make the nausea worse.

The nausea caused by mushrooms is at least partially a direct effect of the drug itself. Psilocin binds to 5HT3 which is the same receptor that causes nausea in radiation and chemotherapy patients.

The other thing that causes nausea is the uncooked mushroom material which is hard to digest. And there's lots of other things that could cause it too, like the mushrooms being contaminated or having gone bad, etc.



It also binds to the 2A receptor, which is for serotonin like structures overall.

Mushroom nausea comes from the chitin, which humans can’t digest. It’s also what fingernails and snail shells are made of, as well as whale teeth. Otherwise they’re mostly carbon, with some trace nutrients and minerals, the hallucinogenic ones containing psilocybin as a possible insect repellant. Psilocin is reported to have psychedelic effects when administered to humans, although you can’t qualify animals’ subjective experiences easily.

Usually drug nausea you hear about makes people have to take a shit, so it causes diarrhea, and maybe vomiting, and other symptoms, as well as motion sickness. Mushrooms make your nose runny but it has nothing to do with nausea.

I don’t like acid that much and would rather do mushrooms but they’re hard to find. MAO-is are illegal, because they know people can use them to get high, so I haven’t done ayahuasca, just smoked DMT, mushrooms, acid, salvia, and weed.

Weed is worse for your brain than tobacco, and can just to enhance mushrooms or acid, although some people smoke it in between doses. If you don’t smoke weed on mushrooms or LSD, you didn’t get the full experience or synergy.

My two particular breakthroughs on DMT were insanely visual, and I was under the impression no additional psychedelic would come close to adding anything to it, but mushrooms or acid sound more fun because they last longer.

I never had nausea from entheogens and want t try aya to see if it makes me vomit or take a shit. One way to look at it is as a cleansing process, which is a viewpoint of the shamans in the jungle, who experience constant warfare from sorcerers and brujas.

One aspect of shamanism, or curing that curendero/curenedera do, is collecting darts (virote) for extra potential spells. They’re mostly for harm but some can be for good. The icaros just guide a trip or session. DMT is visual language and there’s a computer programming aspect to LSD, and mushrooms have a language improving mechanism tied to its increasing of visual acuity, whereas aya is just for personal exploration and iboga cures addiction.


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: Blabble40]
    #26369528 - 12/08/19 05:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Mushrooms make your nose runny but it has nothing to do with nausea.





thats news to me:shrug:





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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: mushboy]
    #26369757 - 12/08/19 07:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah people need to look at the root cause instead of reaching for the pharma bandaid.
Stuff like zantac and other heart burn meds ( PPI's amd H2 blockers) have been suspect to cause dementia with prolonged use.

Most think your stomach and intestines just break down and absorb what we put in but they are our primitive brain; known as the first brain.
Ever have that gut feeling?
The whole human digestive system has more or less a whole nervous system of itself and depends on many of the same neurotransmitters as the brain does, including serotonin which is why throwing up is common with tryptamines stimulating the receptors.

The stomach is a terrible thing to ignore and probably best to let it have it's psychedelic breakthrough. :evilpuke:

I rarely if ever puke off mushrooms but keep hearing things go so much smoother after the stomach purges.:justdontknow:


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
    #26369759 - 12/08/19 07:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

ive only puked from shrooms when i took them with a large dose of caapi vine


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Re: Zantac Recall (moved) [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #26369782 - 12/08/19 08:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Only certain lots were affected by this potential contamination. Just check your lot # on your bottle with whatever numbers were posted by the manufacturer.


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