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Urgent, help with Monotube
    #26368444 - 12/08/19 07:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hi everyone,

I have a problem with my monotube of PES Hawaiian (coco + verm).

It was put into fruiting conditions almost a month ago, on 11st of November. The problem is that it hasn't started pinning and today it has started to look bad in a corner :frown: :confused: When it started the fruiting phase it was already looking like in the pictures.

I think it has a good FAE system, humidity, and indirect light, but obviously something is going wrong.

HELP PLEASE, thank you in advantage












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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Juanmaki]
    #26368473 - 12/08/19 07:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What do you mean when you say "it has started to look bad in a corner"? What changes did you make to initiate fruiting?


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Mycoactive]
    #26368508 - 12/08/19 08:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It seems as if it has excess or lack of moisture in a piece of the surface, in a way that the mycelium looked weird, as compacted. I have cut it with a knife and I have not taken a picture. For me it seemed like the typical appearance of the mycelium with excess moisture.


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Juanmaki]
    #26368510 - 12/08/19 08:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Can you take some good pictures like the entire tub surface not through plastic.

Growing cubensis if its not fruiting in a month it probably never will :shrug:


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26368553 - 12/08/19 08:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That's what I can get



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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Juanmaki] * 1
    #26368561 - 12/08/19 08:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Honestly doesn't look bad. Probably not getting enough air


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Juanmaki]
    #26368575 - 12/08/19 08:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

where are you fruiting it?
is there a fan in the room moving any air around at all? 

if not, it may be saturated with stale air.



I'm trying to gauge if you have any fresh air exchange at all...

those are barely holes, look like you just stabbed it with a hot knife, i don't think those little holes will exchange much at all, especially if no air is moving around in the room.

Is there a casing on this?  ph treated peat moss? or something else?


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: trippleblack]
    #26368594 - 12/08/19 08:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like it’s been possibly drying out too quickly and on top of that being sprayed a lot. However it’s very hard to see with these pics

The holes in the end are huge, and you’ve got small holes everywhere.. sides and lid...

It’s such a mess it’s hard to tell what’s going on unfortunately

Keep hoping for the best, study traditional mono tub set ups. Why and how they work

Edit: first set of pics clearly shows it’s dried out too much. Your def not lacking fresh air I’d say even tho I can see why others thought you may be needing more fresh air

I think you have too much fresh air going on. Make those two end holes smaller or restrict them more so. You wanna be able to get beads of moisture from spraying and have those beads stay there for a while and not evaporate immediately the next day. Gotta find the sweet spot

The corner turning yellow is from dehydration, a light blue can also show from dehydration. Your substrate is on the thin side too so that is not helping your situation at all. If it was deeper it’d be more tolerant to less than ideal conditions. With thinner subs need to tighten it up a bit more than with a thicker sub


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Raven44]
    #26368607 - 12/08/19 09:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

also, if you been saturating it constantly with that water bottle.. nothing will evaporate, you won't get much pinning. 

everyone would need more information about exactly what your doing.. did it dry out previously?  then you tried to overcompensate by keeping it soaking wet?


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: trippleblack]
    #26368616 - 12/08/19 09:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah he def did lol... when you mist spray up into the air and let it fall down to get beads to form. Do not spray by pointing the sprayer at the sub point into the air

Your gonna have side pins coming I predict lol


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Raven44]
    #26368666 - 12/08/19 09:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you everyone for your answers, I appreciate it a lot.

I already have some tradicional monotubes that are doing great, with 0 problems and no fan, in the same room of this monotub.

I decided to try with this tub that has no lid (I put a plastic tape), and I made some holes, and it didn't worked, so I did more, then nothing happend. After three weeks I started spraying it because it was getting dry, I don't spray it directly into the substrate (in the walls just enough to moisten them), but condensation makes it rain insdide the tub.

So now It's like a kind of Frankestein tub with a lot of holes in everywhere with tape and I don't know what to do. It has two big holes in the bottom a lot of little holes everywhere and a tape on top.

Any advice of what to do with it? Just wait or throw it to the trash?

Thank you for your time.


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Juanmaki]
    #26368679 - 12/08/19 09:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No casing and not peat moss, just Coco+Verm. I expect side pinings, of course...


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Juanmaki]
    #26368762 - 12/08/19 10:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Side pinning is already happening !


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26368797 - 12/08/19 10:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Honestly doesn't look bad. Probably not getting enough air



:whathesaid: Check your other thread.


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Juanmaki]
    #26368802 - 12/08/19 10:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Juanmaki said:
Thank you everyone for your answers, I appreciate it a lot.

I already have some tradicional monotubes that are doing great, with 0 problems and no fan, in the same room of this monotub.

I decided to try with this tub that has no lid (I put a plastic tape), and I made some holes, and it didn't worked, so I did more, then nothing happend. After three weeks I started spraying it because it was getting dry, I don't spray it directly into the substrate (in the walls just enough to moisten them), but condensation makes it rain insdide the tub.

So now It's like a kind of Frankestein tub with a lot of holes in everywhere with tape and I don't know what to do. It has two big holes in the bottom a lot of little holes everywhere and a tape on top.

Any advice of what to do with it? Just wait or throw it to the trash?

Thank you for your time.



my vote

Toss it...  oj simpson couldn't have done a better job


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Juanmaki]
    #26369007 - 12/08/19 12:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

How much spawn did you use? and what kind of spawn? looking alright though, it'll eventually fruit.. I'm guessing it took this long due "low" spawn ratio.


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: ShamanBoof]
    #26369339 - 12/08/19 03:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

3 jars of 400ml popcorn
1 jar 300ml brown rice

Maybe it's because of the spawn... One popcorn jar was not at 100% just 95%. What I did was removing not colonized grains and I used the rest.


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Juanmaki]
    #26369346 - 12/08/19 04:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's not the spawn it's the conditions(but you should always use 100% colonized spawn)

I'd take all that tape off and let it chill.


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Re: Urgent, help with Monotube [Re: Juanmaki]
    #26369411 - 12/08/19 04:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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3 jars of 400ml popcorn
1 jar 300ml brown rice

Maybe it's because of the spawn... One popcorn jar was not at 100% just 95%. What I did was removing not colonized grains and I used the rest.




That should be good enough, popcorn kinda a slow release, like there's less surface area than other type of grains, but it'll last longer, over all same yield as if you were to use same amount but deferent type of grains but you gotta keep it from getting contaminated.
I have small box of 1:1 popcorn:potting soil right now they're 6 pins forming on its 9th flush! :smile:
I stopped using popcorn, switched to wheat grains, cheaper(for me) smaller is size so there'll more inoculation points and more surface area. I go with 1:1 or 1:1.5 by volume, it's working like a charm.
For your grow keep misting and 12/12 light cycle. You can smack a bubble wrap layer if you want.. it can help with pinning.


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