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Offlinefaoneus
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How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics?
    #26368364 - 12/08/19 06:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

My two cents: A few factoids I've learned really clicked in lately. Carl Jung described the danger of psychedelics being not that the experience isn't real, but that it's more real than you want it to be. People have said that the psychedelic experience is completely ineffible - you cannot describe it, nor can someone who hasn't experienced it imagine it. These two statements really clicked recently. I'm yet to take any psychedelics, and it occurred to me that whatever I've been imagining the experience like in my head, it's absolutely nothing like that and infinitely more real than the space in my imaginaon. A reality so completely unimaginable and wholly other that I literally cannot think it (which gets kinda freaky when I have a dream where I experience psychedelics).

I barely even understand normal reality as it is. What am I, where does realty come from, what even IS reality? Do others experience the same reality as me? I feel kinda crazy,  because I don't even understand these things in normal realty, so jumping into a reality which I literally cannot imagine seems, well... UNIMAGINABLE!! The while concept seems batshit terrifying. It's quite hilarious, really. I imagine it as bizarre, peculiar, and terrifying, even though I know I can't imagine it. I feel like I'm just worrying, because my ego is freaking out trying to imagine what it cannot.

so I'd like to ask you guys: how the hell do you guys handle psychedelic reality?

Is it really that different? (wholly other, as Terrence puts it). I assume a low dose (below 2g) didn't completely shatter your view of reality?


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus]
    #26368387 - 12/08/19 06:32 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well it's much easier to handle when you're young. When I was 18 I could take a handful of magic mushshrooms without experiencing any fear. I honestly cant do that anymore. The more shit you've been through the more difficult psychedelics are going to be.

This is how I would tell a friend to start using these substances. Start off with pot for a couple months. Pot puts you in a different head space so it'll help prepare you for psychedelics. After that grow some mushrooms and get your hands on a few xanax. These xanax will only be used if you ever experience a bad trip. Start of with 1g of mushrooms and see how that goes. Next time take 1.75g then go from there. After you experience mushrooms get some mimosa hostilis or acacia bark and extract nn dmt. Purchase a good smoking device like the Sherlock glass vapor genie and start off with .10mg ... Those 2 psychedelics are all you honestly need in my opinion and they can be grown or extracted from home. Don't buy anything from a drug dealer... Follow my advice and you should be ok..


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus] * 1
    #26368394 - 12/08/19 06:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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faoneus said:

so I'd like to ask you guys: how the hell do you guys handle psychedelic reality?

Is it really that different? (wholly other, as Terrence puts it). I assume a low dose (below 2g) didn't completely shatter your view of reality?




You just witness/experience it. You don't control it. Similar to learning anything new, you don't keep interrupting your teacher with questions that are irrelevant to the lesson.

Everybody has a different experience and the experience is not necessarily the same every time.

If you are curious, start with a low dose. You'll experience the effect when you close your eyes and try to "relax" your mind (like meditation). You will still be able to function normally if needed.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shenmue] * 3
    #26368396 - 12/08/19 06:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You honestly don't need to take Psychedelics to grow as a person. Life is extremely short so you're better off experiencing the reality that you're in right now. Dmt isn't going to give you the ultimate answers. It just gives you hope that there's something beyond this reality.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus] * 1
    #26368400 - 12/08/19 06:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

hehe pretty well said I would say :P

with dmt for example it really was like that for me, when I got there this reality was way more real then our everyday reality and it also felt like coming home.

but if you are talking about 2g mushrooms, they certainly can shatter your view of reality but it most likely wont happen, but you never know (happened to my brother).

when my friends and me started we used to take 2.5 grams of mushrooms. And thats was more like lots of laughing, seeing beautiful energy and visuals moving trough the room and just having fun.

I never had a terrifying experience with normal doses of mushrooms for example. Its more like a roller coaster ride xD


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26368405 - 12/08/19 06:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, it’s pretty different.

Before I tripped, I thought it was all about rainbow kalidescopes and seeing things like unicorns and elves.

How about this; it isn’t going to be like what people say or you imagine, except vaguely. Like, yes there are colors and sounds.... but, it’s the other stuff going on in your head that really makes it a “trip”.

And really, yes you are excited and nervous thinking about it. Best bet, calm your expectations. Be resolved to experience whatever happens, even if it isn’t like you expected.

When are you planning your first trip and what substance?

Edit: also, don’t feel obligated to use marijuana before trying psychedelics. The advantage to using pot before psychs is a familiarity with altered consciousness. But, psychedelics stand alone. Some people like weed, some people don’t.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26368415 - 12/08/19 06:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'v read a lot of philosophy, when to uni. also studied litterature. And I am a thinker, I really think a lot about things, so when I found that my body were located in different places in the room on mushroom. I was not suprised at all, just interested.

My abstract thinking mind have yet come across any problems on psychedelics, it seems that I sorted these out partly by use of cannabis and concentration, partly cause of reading, writing and thinking.

But then again, that primal, archaic space that mushrooms take you too is deeper down in the psyche/universe than the "abstract thinkinh mind", so in this space I don't really have much control at all. Sometimes all I can do, is just watch. This is where some meditation and concentration training comes in handy: to be able to just watch.


The headspace of say mushrooms on more than 3g is so different, that I havent yet managed to enjoy this state like I do with weed. In doses bigger than 3g you feel that you never know whats coming.

But Ive only taken it two times so far, so maybe I will get a better understanding of this headspace as I get experienced. I did with weed.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus] * 1
    #26368464 - 12/08/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Wow your psychedelic journey stretches out in your future; you have so many great experiences to look forward to.

I would give you a bit of advice, which is my own personal opinion, so by all means discard it as bullshit! But I would advise you to do your first trip at around 3.5g dried Psilocybe Cubensis, and take it with an experienced friend. This dose will give you a really good feel for the psychedelic experience. It will be an intense come up, and you will probably be filled with anxiety. But that’s where your experienced friend comes in. You will not freak out the same if someone is experiencing the same as you and is telling you that you’ll be fine.

And what you will find is that after about 1.5 to 2 hours, you’ll get to the peak, and the psychedelic headspace. This is the ultimate, and once you have experienced this headspace, you will want to come back. You go through the fear and anxiety to get to the headspace. Depending on dose, you may be lucid, you may be stimulated, you may be stoned, you may be lost; but you will get positive results from the headspace - healing, spirituality, curiosity. Some effects you may experience here: telepathy, time travel, time dilation, eternity, oneness, acceptance, bliss, euphoria, total wow this is fucking MAGIC. I often see fairies in the air - twinkly little lights floating around; I see the web of consciousness; I see the elves. You will be filled with wonder for life.

If you go too large a dose for your first go, and are not prepared, nd in a safe setting, you may scare yourself away forever. And that would be a real shame.

Good luck, stay safe, and enjoy.

Don’t forget the trip report 👊🏻
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26368480 - 12/08/19 07:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just ride the wave :vibin:


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: grati] * 1
    #26368487 - 12/08/19 08:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Just ride the wave :vibin:




Lol yeah baby. The only thing you can do 👊🏻

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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26368608 - 12/08/19 09:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think the advice posted here is accurate.....IF you choose to move forward, use a moderate dose for your first time as well as having an experienced psychedelic user act as a sitter.
Then, just observe.
Your understanding of reality will change somewhat with smaller doses.....a breakthrough dose may completely change everything you once thought was truth.
For me, this was a good thing, but it took over a year to process one of those trips.
But your caution is well founded, too often I see young people treat high dose psychedelics like video games or something to party with and end up getting in way over their heads.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus] * 4
    #26368659 - 12/08/19 09:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

it gives you what you need, not what you want. worrying is useless in this endeavor. just go into it with finished homework, an open mind, a still body and a yearn to learn.


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Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26368740 - 12/08/19 10:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

At the end of the day, you have eaten shrooms and hallucinated. The come up is when the crazy stuff happens, the come down is when you’re  still under he influence and you are making sense of what happened. That’s when you have realizations and break throughs etc. Your brain on psilocybin is like connecting a turbo to it and running it at full throttle. It connects the brain in a way that it’s normally not connect. Also according to research it may create permanent pathways and regenerate neurons. One rule to remember is you don’t make rash decisions soon after your trip. The mushrooms view of the world is vastly different then our own.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Antigov]
    #26368749 - 12/08/19 10:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Write songs

And actually write.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: AZZI] * 3
    #26368853 - 12/08/19 11:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

They always give you what you need. They simply raise awareness. They are contraindicated for some people, though. They are indispensable for students of philosophy and psychology. I believe that without one powerful psychedelic experience, psychologists or philosophers are not working with a full deck.

If you’re smart with set and setting, having a hard time is much less likely. Some of us learn this the hard way, but it’s still learning.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26368857 - 12/08/19 11:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26368865 - 12/08/19 11:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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They always give you what you need. They simply raise awareness. They are contraindicated for some people, though. They are indispensable for students of philosophy and psychology. I believe that without one powerful psychedelic experience, psychologists or philosophers are not working with a full deck.

If you’re smart with set and setting, having a hard time is much less likely. Some of us learn this the hard way, but it’s still learning.




They don't always give you what you need! That's such a stupid thing to say! Sometimes people lose their minds and commit suicide on these substances.  Did those people get what they needed? I'm so tired of the hocus pocus bullshit.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26368869 - 12/08/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'll rephrase: They raise awareness of the underlying mechanics and contents of one's mind and consciousness. They always reveal. This is why they are contraindicated for some people; obviously, this raised awareness is not always a good thing for all people.

These things aren't toys.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26368955 - 12/08/19 12:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think Carl Jung is on about the shadow when warning about psychedelics. Some people won't handle encountering it.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Indicabuds420]
    #26368960 - 12/08/19 12:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The whole beware of unearned wisdom thing is spot on. The shadow is like an invisible guardian of truths we’re not ready, mature or strong enough yet to see.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26368985 - 12/08/19 12:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I always wondered was real reality is. If LSD shuts down the part of the brain responsible for filtering reality,then isn't being on LSD how everything is without a filter.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: MycoBrainz] * 1
    #26369037 - 12/08/19 12:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

LSD is one version of how reality is unfiltered.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus]
    #26369069 - 12/08/19 01:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The experience is not ineffable, nor is it particularly strong at many doses.

3.5 grams of mushrooms is a really beautiful experience, not overpowering, but gentle and comforting. Mostly anyway. It's not like a total break from reality or something. You just see some pretty repeating patterns on walls, maybe some floral patterns or repeating shapes. Things bend and wave and move, colors change a bit. I mean, it's an intense experience, but nothing really extreme like you're describing, at least not at low to medium doses.

At high doses things are different, but there are plenty of nice fun doses too.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: nooneman]
    #26369112 - 12/08/19 01:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I smoked some weed and shut my eyes then saw lights and other designs in the shape of characters or entities. It was pretty strong, nowhere near the level of mushrooms, but still interesting enough


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: nooneman]
    #26369139 - 12/08/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The experience is not ineffable, nor is it particularly strong at many doses.

3.5 grams of mushrooms is a really beautiful experience, not overpowering, but gentle and comforting. Mostly anyway. It's not like a total break from reality or something. You just see some pretty repeating patterns on walls, maybe some floral patterns or repeating shapes. Things bend and wave and move, colors change a bit. I mean, it's an intense experience, but nothing really extreme like you're describing, at least not at low to medium doses.

At high doses things are different, but there are plenty of nice fun doses too.



I get that from 1g. 3.5g is much stronger than that lol


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: grati]
    #26369146 - 12/08/19 01:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not saying 3.5 grams isn't strong, just that it's a classic medium dose which I find to be quite comfortable and enjoyable.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: nooneman]
    #26369157 - 12/08/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not saying 3.5 grams isn't strong, just that it's a classic medium dose which I find to be quite comfortable and enjoyable.



The potency of cubes varies, if OP or some beginners read your post and think 3.5g is nothing serious and they have more potent cubes than yours, they're in for a wild ride. 3.5g is always a level 4 trip no matter what for me and all my friends


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: grati]
    #26369169 - 12/08/19 02:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

3.5 grams used to be the amount that everyone recommended around here. You might be right, and people could be in for a serious time with 3.5 grams, but that would be okay if that happened anyway.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus]
    #26369393 - 12/08/19 04:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The question about the nature or "reality" of the psychedelic experience is both pertinent and deep. How can a minute amount of a chemical compound interacting with the brain receptors create what we see?

From what I understand the best biochemical explanation is that the brain in its normal mode restricts what we can experience to enable us to function in the world. Being high is fun but will reduce one's odds of survival in an evolutionary competitive environment (OMG - a tiger, how amazing! Will go and hug it).

The mind-level view is similar but goes much further. From the Buddhist perspective what we experience is actually created by the subconscious mental impressions of the past actions, re-activating in the field of awareness. These projections are not solid but still feel real enough to fool us into treating them seriously and getting triggered to act, which in turn deposits more impressions in the subconsciousness. Whoever can step outside this circle of conditioned appearances will see the phenomena as a free play of the mind and focus exclusively on being aware of whatever arises. This state of mind is reported as being totally blissful because the experiences no longer make us react compulsively (the subject / object duality has been dissolved) and one can just watch in amazement what a mind is capable of churning out. Psychedelics give a glimpse of that beyond personal state - for short periods of time.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26370163 - 12/09/19 03:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

As many have pointed out, it is dependent on dose. If you take 2-5g of average strength cubes (adjust the numbers as needed if you have more or less potent cubes), lay down and close your eyes, there won’t be all that much to handle as you will be too busy observing. Can bad experiences happen? Yes they do and on many trips you will have variable moments of fear/discomfort (usually on the come up due to anxiety) but if you’re prepared for it you can deploy techniques such as breathing to help calm yourself (and ultimately surrender to whatever you are feeling).

Honestly, if you have ever been drunk, I find that impossible to handle in the sense that as the amount of drunk ness increases, the more I behave with no knowledge and no participation of my rational self.

Don’t have that problem with shrooms since I imbibe alone and with the intention of simply being in the moment with the mushies.

And lastly, experience helps (but will never prepare you fully as each trip can be radically different than the rest)

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They always give you what you need. They simply raise awareness. They are contraindicated for some people, though. They are indispensable for students of philosophy and psychology. I believe that without one powerful psychedelic experience, psychologists or philosophers are not working with a full deck.

If you’re smart with set and setting, having a hard time is much less likely. Some of us learn this the hard way, but it’s still learning.




They don't always give you what you need! That's such a stupid thing to say! Sometimes people lose their minds and commit suicide on these substances.  Did those people get what they needed? I'm so tired of the hocus pocus bullshit.





You are right, some people are not meant to take them because they are susceptible to psychosis, neuroses and so forth. Just like millions drink alcohol every weekend with no obvious problems, so do many experience psychedelics with no negative consequences. But I for example, severely limit my drinking because it brings the worst out in me. And thus some must limit or refrain from psychedelics as it will cause more harm than good to them.

Don’t think people are “hocus pocus” about shrooms here, but you do have to realize that this is a community of people where the overwhelming majority have had, by far, more positive than negative outcomes from using shrooms and thus we advocate for them. Mush love friend!


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: grati]
    #26370232 - 12/09/19 05:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I believe everyone should
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I'm not saying 3.5 grams isn't strong, just that it's a classic medium dose which I find to be quite comfortable and enjoyable.



The potency of cubes varies, if OP or some beginners read your post and think 3.5g is nothing serious and they have more potent cubes than yours, they're in for a wild ride. 3.5g is always a level 4 trip no matter what for me and all my friends



I took 3.5g my first time. Now.. everyone is different and I'm not saying that this is the way to go about things.. but I kinda just let go of the stigma. I didn't attach the mushrooms to anything I've heard or thought they would do.

I took the mushrooms, and let whatever happens, happen. It was a beautiful ride nonetheless. Definitely a bit odd when I looked at the ground and seen it breathing as this was my first time ever consuming a psychedelic. But, after I got comfortable with the visuals, shit got wild but I was completely fine with it.

Nothing beats that first experience imo. When you first pop your cherry with a psychedelic. I will always try and push someone to take an 8th for their first time.. because you will never get that first time back.

But, I am different than most and pretty good at just letting things happen. I don't get all tied up. I just watch the show. Some people can't.. which are the ones that will learn these aren't for them.

Ps: you can't prepare yourself for an experience. I mean, you may think you're able to.. but when it hits you.. its pretty much up to the mushrooms at that point. As long as you're okay with not being in control.. then you'll be fine. Weed, or anything of that doesnt come anywhere close in sync with a psychedelic experience. It's the hard truth.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26370384 - 12/09/19 08:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not saying 3.5 grams isn't strong, just that it's a classic medium dose which I find to be quite comfortable and enjoyable.



The potency of cubes varies, if OP or some beginners read your post and think 3.5g is nothing serious and they have more potent cubes than yours, they're in for a wild ride. 3.5g is always a level 4 trip no matter what for me and all my friends



I took 3.5g my first time. Now.. everyone is different and I'm not saying that this is the way to go about things.. but I kinda just let go of the stigma. I didn't attach the mushrooms to anything I've heard or thought they would do.

I took the mushrooms, and let whatever happens, happen. It was a beautiful ride nonetheless. Definitely a bit odd when I looked at the ground and seen it breathing as this was my first time ever consuming a psychedelic. But, after I got comfortable with the visuals, shit got wild but I was completely fine with it.

Nothing beats that first experience imo. When you first pop your cherry with a psychedelic. I will always try and push someone to take an 8th for their first time.. because you will never get that first time back.

But, I am different than most and pretty good at just letting things happen. I don't get all tied up. I just watch the show. Some people can't.. which are the ones that will learn these aren't for them.

Ps: you can't prepare yourself for an experience. I mean, you may think you're able to.. but when it hits you.. its pretty much up to the mushrooms at that point. As long as you're okay with not being in control.. then you'll be fine. Weed, or anything of that doesnt come anywhere close in sync with a psychedelic experience. It's the hard truth.



My first time I took around 5g and I died and floated through space and all kind of crazy shit :shrug: I couldn't believed what happened to me. But I've seen some friends freak out from ~2g and I'm just saying people should be careful. I agree that nothing beats that first trip, it's still on my mind :yesnod:


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    #26370564 - 12/09/19 09:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

First one is great because you have no expectations in a sense. You really don't know what to expect.. you're a virgin to it all. Such a great time.

But yeah I feel that. I too have had friends lose their shit on doses around 2g or so. Now.. I kept telling them you have to be mentally prepared as best you can. But some just couldn't hold their shit together. Then they all all frightened and it's a downward spiral from there.

But, I do think prior to taking a psychedelic you kind of know if you can handle what may come. People just have control issues. They seem to be the ones that have the real breakdowns when it comes down to it. I mean.. I've had scary experiences.. but I didn't break down. I accepted it and as uncomfortable it was I knew it would end.

But 5g for a first time... oof. Yeah, that's a whole different ballgame than an 8th lol.


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    #26370639 - 12/09/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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First one is great because you have no expectations in a sense. You really don't know what to expect.. you're a virgin to it all. Such a great time.

But yeah I feel that. I too have had friends lose their shit on doses around 2g or so. Now.. I kept telling them you have to be mentally prepared as best you can. But some just couldn't hold their shit together. Then they all all frightened and it's a downward spiral from there.

But, I do think prior to taking a psychedelic you kind of know if you can handle what may come. People just have control issues. They seem to be the ones that have the real breakdowns when it comes down to it. I mean.. I've had scary experiences.. but I didn't break down. I accepted it and as uncomfortable it was I knew it would end.

But 5g for a first time... oof. Yeah, that's a whole different ballgame than an 8th lol.



Because I read on forums that 3g is a normal trip. The cubes were also crazy potent, the first trip changed my life and I'm glad I had the balls to do it :yesnod: I've also had extremely scary experiences that would leave others with PTSD, I died like 10 times so far on psychedelics and seen everything :lol:


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    #26370643 - 12/09/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

We don't perceive reality, we perceive what the biological structure of the brain shows us, that of the phenomena/activity that our sense organs pick up.

All the structures within the mind are constantly growing off what structure preceded it, think of a baby's mind and how that evolves over the years & decades, it's a continuum from the first thoughts (possibly even pre-birth).

with that being said, psychedelics can show you things way outside your normal purview and that is both the pro & con of doing psychedelics.

You can severely damage your ability to live life as you'd like to because of creating new patterns of thought that can be antithetical to how you like to think. Psychedelics should be for the scientific mind & the artist because anyone else is going to have an odd time incorporating what they learn into their lives. That's just my advice.

Our mind is a culture, be careful not to disturb it too much and have fun when things go south, there's no reason to suffer exponentially, which can absolutely break structures within the mind & brain (therein lies the risk).

Good luck, and maybe hold off until you have confidence in both your ability and your living circumstance. Being financially well off can greatly reduce the possibility of a bad time.


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    #26370775 - 12/09/19 11:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Tripping is hardly easy ime always discobobulating but the good kind.  often feels like my entire sober life I was in half asleep autopilot mode and am only now just waking up a little. and the higher you get the more you lose sight of the so called hard facts. until youre thinking oh my god am I here all alone? and you know something is happening here but you dont know what it is do you mr jones?


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    #26371048 - 12/09/19 02:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think the feeling of aloneness is what fucked with me so heavily during my last trip that sent me down a spiral. I felt as if I was stuck in time..and this never ending thoughtloop. I felt like I was the only one there and this was going to be the same moment I experienced forever.

Was such a rabbit hole and fucked with me heavily. I was able to overcome it (like you have have another option). But yeah.. that feeling of loneliness during a trip can be blissful yet terrifying. Very odd.


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    #26373485 - 12/10/19 04:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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People have said that the psychedelic experience is completely ineffible - you cannot describe it, nor can someone who hasn't experienced it imagine it. These two statements really clicked recently. I'm yet to take any psychedelics, and it occurred to me that whatever I've been imagining the experience like in my head, it's absolutely nothing like that and infinitely more real than the space in my imaginaon. A reality so completely unimaginable and wholly other that I literally cannot think it (which gets kinda freaky when I have a dream where I experience psychedelics).




I like the enthusiasm expressed in your post - I think you would find mushrooms to be an enriching experience because they are just so stimulating and interesting to anyone with even the vaguest interest in consciousness and the nature of reality, or anyone who wants to explore their own mind :mushroom2:

I wrote a long answer which I hope gives a useful picture of the psychedelic experience as it typically presents itself to me in a mushroom trip. Although the focus in a lot of Shroomery threads is about the extremes of the experience, it was fun to write about the general experience of tripping itself at a moderate dose, which is typically strange but not terrifying, as though you are being guided on a safari through the peculiar realms of your psyche.

:feelsshroomyman:

There are certain elements of the psychedelic experience which are indeed "ineffable" (for example if you are trying to explain a trip which had a powerful mystical / transcendent / spiritual feeling to it) but you can describe a lot of what happens in a trip. The only issue is that until you experience a trip for yourself, there will always be a bit of a mismatch between what you imagined or expected and the experience itself. It will be a bit like you expected, but somehow different...

I remember my first mushroom trip, and while the dose was fairly mild I was utterly fascinated by the way that my open-eye visuals seemed to be firmly located in the external world (I was sitting on a kerb and watching the stones in the tarmac slowly drift into a spiral).

One thing that is fairly simple to understand before you experience psychedelics is the idea of a "closed eye visual". If you close your eyes and look at the back of your eyelids when sober, there is probably not much to see, just a vague darkness, or a vague brightness of the light coming through your eyelids. That is the mental 'space' where you will begin to see imagery, perhaps starting as a grid-like patterning and then developing into random scenes, slightly cartoonish imagery, and developing further into the geometric or organic kind of psychedelic environments that have bled into popular consciousness, artwork and video imagery since the 60's.

One thing that is hard to communicate or understand before you try psychedelics is the purely 'mental' part of a trip. You can encounter 'another reality' in a mushroom trip at higher doses, as if you are getting drawn further into the realm of the closed-eye-visuals, but a lot of the time the external visual aspect is fairly subtle.

The room can look almost normal, but the inside of your mind can be a long way away from normal. You could compare it to the vibe of anything by David Lynch - what you see on the screen at any particular moment isn't necessarily wildly psychedelic or odd to look at, but the overall vibe is very weird.

Sometimes I've described my own trips as "a slow slide into unreality", and it is hard to convey the way that your thoughts themselves become altered. When you move above low doses and a trip really takes hold, you cannot mentally 'experience' it as something external which is taking place around you, as though the trip is one thing and you are something else experiencing it. You are the trip and your point of view, your mental perspective of yourself and the world, your sense of self, is built on shifting sands.

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It's quite hilarious, really. I imagine it as bizarre, peculiar, and terrifying




It can be all of those things, but you can ease yourself into the experience by choosing your dose carefully.

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so I'd like to ask you guys: how the hell do you guys handle psychedelic reality?

Is it really that different? (wholly other, as Terrence puts it).




Providing the dose isn't too overwhelming, I think the natural reaction to a psychedelic experience is a state of childlike wonder, a sense of excitement mixed with an appreciation of the beauty of what you are experiencing.

Low doses of mushrooms won't shatter anything, no, but this is where the balancing act comes in. Maybe you enjoy a low dose trip but it's not quite the experience you were hoping for, so you want to increase the dose next time to get a more meaningful or visual experience. There is a tension between trying to get more of a full-on experience at higher doses, and coping with the intensity that comes with it.

There may come a point at which you realize you have crossed over into quite a different type of trip, the intensity is overwhelming, and like your Jung quote says (nice quote by the way), it suddenly seems a lot more real than you want it to be. The trip is taking you somewhere you fear to go, where anything could happen...

The truth is that there isn't really a way to "handle" that, you just try to ride the trip as best you can. In fact you don't need to resist it or handle it or try to 'stay sane', you are better off "surrendering to the trip" as you may have heard it expressed. When a strong trip starts to feel somehow "wrong" and the vibe from within it becomes deeply sinister, alien and doom-laden, when you feel as though you have broken reality and come into contact with some terrifying power within the trip - that is what you need to surrender to. You can let go and suddenly find yourself in the kind of blissful, ineffable state of transcendence that you were least expecting at that particular moment.

So dose carefully and respect the potential power of a strong trip, but as you gain experience don't be afraid to explore the psychedelic headspace at higher doses - part of that will inevitably involve thinking you took too much at some point (insert appropriate McKenna quote here, I've forgotten it).

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I feel like I'm just worrying, because my ego is freaking out trying to imagine what it cannot.




At moderate doses, mushrooms are strange but usually in a fun way. Below is an extract from a recent trip journal (covering a 40 minute section of the come-up) which will hopefully illustrate some of the things I've tried to explain above; the mental landscape of a mushroom trip, something intriguing and weird but not something to freak out over:

So I'm sitting in bed in a hotel room which has floor-to-ceiling curtains in front of the bed and to one side, so an entire corner of the room resembles the "red room" of the black lodge in twin peaks, except that the curtains are grey, shifted to a weird shade of olive green by the trip so that the folds of the curtains start to resemble the trunks of trees in a forest...

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From Aldebaran's trip journal

I was sitting on the bed, thinking, and noticed a motion in the curtains, as if the folds were waves and I was watching the ripples. It was as if the motion was only half-complete, like watching waves on repeat.

I feel the trip more strongly now. It's amusing that when I try to explain coherently what the visuals are doing, my thoughts are altered by the same kind of strange resonances, waves, ripples and contortions.

OEV: The shadow created by the fingers of my hand, where I was resting it on the page, looked like the writing inside a 60s or 70s-style advertisement. The phantoms created by a mind constantly subjected to advertising. Phantoms and phantasms. Explain the difference between in 1500 words.

Who are you writing to? Or who are you writing for? And why?

The trip feels like a heaviness starting to press down from above.

CEV: An astronaut in slow motion, trying to escape his constraints and flee from the unnatural space he finds himself inside. Beckoning fingers from the indefinite surfaces pressing down against my imagination. The tranquil surfaces of powerful seas.

"A confrontation with the subconscious".

The waves of the music radiate out like heat. An interrogation by sound.

Within the fractal contortions and infinite webs, are the words.

CEV: A figure met in a forest with a cloak concealing a metal rib cage like the supporting elements of a large structure, or the collapsible elements of a small tent. But this was not a small space, more like a large circus tent or vaulted cathedral. And you try to explain this to the police.

Or you would. But there are no police in this forest. The police, if they were to be asked, would advise you strongly not to come here. Not to come here at night, certainly...




In those notes you can see certain features of a trip - some open eye visuals and some closed-eye scenes. The seeming randomness of the imagery and the way your thoughts can shift from one thing to another, the overall sense of strangeness and 'things coming out of nowhere' in your imagination like the sudden, unexplained reference to "the police". Spaces opening up within your CEV. The power of the trip experienced physically as a weight upon you. A slight sense of mania or madness creeping in (How am I being interrogated by my music? Why am I talking about writing a 1500 word essay on the difference between phantoms and phantasms? Why the sudden shift to the second person - who is the "you" in the forest?).

The elements of a trip are not always random - often in retrospect I can pick out certain memories that have cropped up as imagery, as though the trip is picking things magpie-like from my memories, either recent or distant. I'd been reading "Nocturnes" by John Connolly, a collection of spooky stories, several set in or around forests, including one featuring the Erlking, a somewhat sinister elf-king figure from German / Scandinavian folklore. Which explains why the trip went off at a slight tangent into "the forest, at night".

Closer to the peak of the trip, this was one of my CEV, where more random imagery gives way to an increasing obsession about this non-existent forest, within the "theater of the mind":

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CEV: Railway cars corkscrewing through the concrete of underpasses and overpasses as reality collapses in upon itself. And folds. Folds into the trees. Into the curtains. The scenery rotates. To the forest. At night...




I think that trip had a good balance where it was strong enough to be interesting, but not strong enough to be too intense (the actual dose was 30g of sclerotia which is difficult to translate into typical 'dry cube' dosage but was maybe comparable to something like 4g, I don't know).

When I started tripping regularly, I read a post suggesting that it was a good idea to trip with a pen and a notebook in which you could make occasional notes about your trip. Since then I've always done this and I enjoy the way that the trip affects your thought process, your use of language, as you try to write about it.

Music is another good tip for tripping - some people prefer silence but I always like to listen to a playlist of carefully chosen music which will last for the duration of the experience.

It doesn't have to be an ultra-serious endeavor and you are allowed to enjoy your trip :wink:

I hope you get to experience mushrooms in all their strangeness and glory, and do be sure to post about it. I would be interested to see how your expectations match up with reality... or should that be  unreality? Close your eyes, and see!

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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #26374931 - 12/11/19 11:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Aldebaran, you write so well. A big thumbs up to you, sir 👍🏻

I believe the McKenna quote you alluded to was: “Mushrooms can not kill you. (Pause). Mushrooms can persuade you they can kill you, but they cannot kill you. (Laughter) 🧐Or something like that....

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p.s. I will check out some of your trip reports and comment. I’m overwhelmed at the moment catching up with loads of posts on the shroomery since a 3 year absence!


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    #26375171 - 12/11/19 02:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Remember that you're an animal.
And that so is everyone else.

Don't get caught up listening to other people's interpretations of the intangible.
Listen to the very real fact that we're animals who can safely eat these things.
Everything else is your journey.
McKenna, Jung, whoever the fuck else with some unfounded merit of worship.
There is absolutely no perspective that will equip you with what you will need to persist the experience. (Any experience, for that matter)
An ant crawling across a pebble might have more profound implications to the success of your journey than the views of a whole team of the most decorated psychoanalysts in the world.

As a child, when an elder cautioned you of something intangible from their own experience,
something that could not immediately bite you,
how often did that caution actually make an impact?
How often were you left with a perspective that actually persisted into that experience?
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    #26375289 - 12/11/19 03:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's fun. And terrifying. But bliss can be found. It comes from understanding that you have no control. Ever. The idea that you don't matter. You are not special. It can be liberating and extremely terrifying. Depends on perspective.


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    #26375805 - 12/11/19 07:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

How to handle psychedelics.
  • Strap on moon boots
  • Eat psychedelics
  • If ever in doubt about what's happening check footwear

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    #26376083 - 12/11/19 09:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I believe the McKenna quote you alluded to was: “Mushrooms can not kill you. (Pause). Mushrooms can persuade you they can kill you, but they cannot kill you. (Laughter)[




I like that quote, but the one I'm thinking of is this, or something with similar wording; I must have heard it in one of his talks on youtube:

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If you take a psychedelic drug and you are not afraid you took too much, you didn't do enough




It's not so much the idea that you should feel the need to take 5g or whatever he suggests, but if you do find yourself in a trip which is getting a bit overwhelming, I think this quote is reassuring - i.e. don't panic, this is how it is supposed to feel at this kind of dose!

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footpath wrote: Don't get caught up listening to other people's interpretations of the intangible.




This is a good point. To the OP - when you trip for the first time, don't expect it to conform to anyone else's theories or descriptions, just enjoy the experience in your own way.

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    #26376166 - 12/11/19 10:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

"The challenge is not to find the answer, it's to face the answer" -Terrence Mckenna-


Edited by JustABoxOfRain (12/11/19 10:22 PM)


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    #26377022 - 12/12/19 11:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If you take a psychedelic drug and you are not afraid you took too much, you didn't do enough




:slowpoke:




Haha love it. I’ve heard him say similar on a few videos. There are a few along the lines of “How to take psychedelics”; invariably he says people do not take enough.

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    #26377430 - 12/12/19 02:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I barely even understand normal reality as it is. What am I, where does realty come from, what even IS reality? Do others experience the same reality as me? I feel kinda crazy,  because I don't even understand these things in normal realty, so jumping into a reality which I literally cannot imagine seems, well... UNIMAGINABLE!! The while concept seems batshit terrifying. It's quite hilarious, really. I imagine it as bizarre, peculiar, and terrifying, even though I know I can't imagine it. I feel like I'm just worrying, because my ego is freaking out trying to imagine what it cannot.




Sounds like you're ready to dive in.  They will give you a better understanding of reality - what it is, how our inaccurate maps of it are constructed, how what you think it is never the real thing.  And remember, it's always OK to blink.



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    #26380216 - 12/13/19 09:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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My two cents: A few factoids I've learned really clicked in lately. Carl Jung described the danger of psychedelics being not that the experience isn't real, but that it's more real than you want it to be. People have said that the psychedelic experience is completeineffible - you cannot describe it, nor can someone who hasn't experienced it imagine it. These two statements really clicked recently. I'm yet to take any psychedelics, and it occurred to me that whatever I've been imagining the experience like in my head, it's absolutely nothing like that and infinitely more real than the space in my imaginaon. A reality so completely unimaginable and wholly other that I literally cannot think it (which gets kinda freaky when I have a dream where I experience psychedelics).

I barely even understand normal reality as it is. What am I, where does realty come from, what even IS reality? Do others experience the same reality as me? I feel kinda crazy,  because I don't even understand these things in normal realty, so jumping into a reality which I literally cannot imagine seems, well... UNIMAGINABLE!! The while concept seems batshit terrifying. It's quite hilarious, really. I imagine it as bizarre, peculiar, and terrifying, even though I know I can't imagine it. I feel like I'm just worrying, because my ego is freaking out trying to imagine what it cannot.
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DJ Ed said:
Wow your psychedelic journey stretches out in your future; you have so many great experiences to look forward to.

I would give you a bit of advice, which is my own personal opinion, so by all means discard it as bullshit! But I would advise you to do your first trip at around 3.5g dried Psilocybe Cubensis, and take it with an experienced friend. This dose will give you a really good feel for the psychedelic experience. It will be an intense come up, and you will probably be filled with anxiety. But that’s where your experienced friend comes in. You will not freak out the same if someone is experiencing the same as you and is telling you that you’ll be fine.

And what you will find is that after about 1.5 to 2 hours, you’ll get to the peak, and the psychedelic headspace. This is the ultimate, and once you have experienced this headspace, you will want to come back. You go through the fear and anxiety to get to the headspace. Depending on dose, you may be lucid, you may be stimulated, you may be stoned, you may be lost; but you will get positive results from the headspace - healing, spirituality, curiosity. Some effects you may experience here: telepathy, time travel, time dilation, eternity, oneness, acceptance, bliss, euphoria, total wow this is fucking MAGIC. I often see fairies in the air - twinkly little lights floating around; I see the web of consciousness; I see the elves. You will be filled with wonder for life.

If you go too large a dose for your first go, and are not prepared, nd in a safe setting, you may scare yourself away forever. And that would be a real shame.

Good luck, stay safe, and enjoy.

Don’t forget the trip report 👊🏻
Take care,
DJ Ed




I did 3.5 g my first time, turned out just fine fortunately. But in retrospect I would say start with less. You never know what's going to happen to you. My most recent experience with 3.5g rocked my world. I've had experiences on 2.5g that were more powerful than experiences I've had with 4-7g. You just can't be sure what your going to get. I had some pomegranate juice which may have increased the effect some how. Anyways be smart do your research. Absolutely have someone with you that is experienced and that you would be comfortable with when your at your most vulnerable state.

Read through the Trippers FAQ there's good stuff in there


Edited by Shurbb (12/30/19 02:54 PM)


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