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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: CountHTML]
#26368985 - 12/08/19 12:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always wondered was real reality is. If LSD shuts down the part of the brain responsible for filtering reality,then isn't being on LSD how everything is without a filter.
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: MycoBrainz] 1
#26369037 - 12/08/19 12:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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LSD is one version of how reality is unfiltered.
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus]
#26369069 - 12/08/19 01:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The experience is not ineffable, nor is it particularly strong at many doses.
3.5 grams of mushrooms is a really beautiful experience, not overpowering, but gentle and comforting. Mostly anyway. It's not like a total break from reality or something. You just see some pretty repeating patterns on walls, maybe some floral patterns or repeating shapes. Things bend and wave and move, colors change a bit. I mean, it's an intense experience, but nothing really extreme like you're describing, at least not at low to medium doses.
At high doses things are different, but there are plenty of nice fun doses too.
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: nooneman]
#26369112 - 12/08/19 01:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I smoked some weed and shut my eyes then saw lights and other designs in the shape of characters or entities. It was pretty strong, nowhere near the level of mushrooms, but still interesting enough
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: nooneman]
#26369139 - 12/08/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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nooneman said: The experience is not ineffable, nor is it particularly strong at many doses.
3.5 grams of mushrooms is a really beautiful experience, not overpowering, but gentle and comforting. Mostly anyway. It's not like a total break from reality or something. You just see some pretty repeating patterns on walls, maybe some floral patterns or repeating shapes. Things bend and wave and move, colors change a bit. I mean, it's an intense experience, but nothing really extreme like you're describing, at least not at low to medium doses.
At high doses things are different, but there are plenty of nice fun doses too.
I get that from 1g. 3.5g is much stronger than that lol
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: grati]
#26369146 - 12/08/19 01:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not saying 3.5 grams isn't strong, just that it's a classic medium dose which I find to be quite comfortable and enjoyable.
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: nooneman]
#26369157 - 12/08/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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nooneman said: I'm not saying 3.5 grams isn't strong, just that it's a classic medium dose which I find to be quite comfortable and enjoyable.
The potency of cubes varies, if OP or some beginners read your post and think 3.5g is nothing serious and they have more potent cubes than yours, they're in for a wild ride. 3.5g is always a level 4 trip no matter what for me and all my friends
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: grati]
#26369169 - 12/08/19 02:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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3.5 grams used to be the amount that everyone recommended around here. You might be right, and people could be in for a serious time with 3.5 grams, but that would be okay if that happened anyway.
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus]
#26369393 - 12/08/19 04:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The question about the nature or "reality" of the psychedelic experience is both pertinent and deep. How can a minute amount of a chemical compound interacting with the brain receptors create what we see?
From what I understand the best biochemical explanation is that the brain in its normal mode restricts what we can experience to enable us to function in the world. Being high is fun but will reduce one's odds of survival in an evolutionary competitive environment (OMG - a tiger, how amazing! Will go and hug it).
The mind-level view is similar but goes much further. From the Buddhist perspective what we experience is actually created by the subconscious mental impressions of the past actions, re-activating in the field of awareness. These projections are not solid but still feel real enough to fool us into treating them seriously and getting triggered to act, which in turn deposits more impressions in the subconsciousness. Whoever can step outside this circle of conditioned appearances will see the phenomena as a free play of the mind and focus exclusively on being aware of whatever arises. This state of mind is reported as being totally blissful because the experiences no longer make us react compulsively (the subject / object duality has been dissolved) and one can just watch in amazement what a mind is capable of churning out. Psychedelics give a glimpse of that beyond personal state - for short periods of time.
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shenmue] 1
#26370163 - 12/09/19 03:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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As many have pointed out, it is dependent on dose. If you take 2-5g of average strength cubes (adjust the numbers as needed if you have more or less potent cubes), lay down and close your eyes, there won’t be all that much to handle as you will be too busy observing. Can bad experiences happen? Yes they do and on many trips you will have variable moments of fear/discomfort (usually on the come up due to anxiety) but if you’re prepared for it you can deploy techniques such as breathing to help calm yourself (and ultimately surrender to whatever you are feeling).
Honestly, if you have ever been drunk, I find that impossible to handle in the sense that as the amount of drunk ness increases, the more I behave with no knowledge and no participation of my rational self.
Don’t have that problem with shrooms since I imbibe alone and with the intention of simply being in the moment with the mushies.
And lastly, experience helps (but will never prepare you fully as each trip can be radically different than the rest)
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If you’re smart with set and setting, having a hard time is much less likely. Some of us learn this the hard way, but it’s still learning.
They don't always give you what you need! That's such a stupid thing to say! Sometimes people lose their minds and commit suicide on these substances. Did those people get what they needed? I'm so tired of the hocus pocus bullshit.
You are right, some people are not meant to take them because they are susceptible to psychosis, neuroses and so forth. Just like millions drink alcohol every weekend with no obvious problems, so do many experience psychedelics with no negative consequences. But I for example, severely limit my drinking because it brings the worst out in me. And thus some must limit or refrain from psychedelics as it will cause more harm than good to them.
Don’t think people are “hocus pocus” about shrooms here, but you do have to realize that this is a community of people where the overwhelming majority have had, by far, more positive than negative outcomes from using shrooms and thus we advocate for them. Mush love friend!
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: grati]
#26370232 - 12/09/19 05:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe everyone should Quote:
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nooneman said: I'm not saying 3.5 grams isn't strong, just that it's a classic medium dose which I find to be quite comfortable and enjoyable.
The potency of cubes varies, if OP or some beginners read your post and think 3.5g is nothing serious and they have more potent cubes than yours, they're in for a wild ride. 3.5g is always a level 4 trip no matter what for me and all my friends
I took 3.5g my first time. Now.. everyone is different and I'm not saying that this is the way to go about things.. but I kinda just let go of the stigma. I didn't attach the mushrooms to anything I've heard or thought they would do.
I took the mushrooms, and let whatever happens, happen. It was a beautiful ride nonetheless. Definitely a bit odd when I looked at the ground and seen it breathing as this was my first time ever consuming a psychedelic. But, after I got comfortable with the visuals, shit got wild but I was completely fine with it.
Nothing beats that first experience imo. When you first pop your cherry with a psychedelic. I will always try and push someone to take an 8th for their first time.. because you will never get that first time back.
But, I am different than most and pretty good at just letting things happen. I don't get all tied up. I just watch the show. Some people can't.. which are the ones that will learn these aren't for them.
Ps: you can't prepare yourself for an experience. I mean, you may think you're able to.. but when it hits you.. its pretty much up to the mushrooms at that point. As long as you're okay with not being in control.. then you'll be fine. Weed, or anything of that doesnt come anywhere close in sync with a psychedelic experience. It's the hard truth.
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
#26370384 - 12/09/19 08:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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nooneman said: I'm not saying 3.5 grams isn't strong, just that it's a classic medium dose which I find to be quite comfortable and enjoyable.
The potency of cubes varies, if OP or some beginners read your post and think 3.5g is nothing serious and they have more potent cubes than yours, they're in for a wild ride. 3.5g is always a level 4 trip no matter what for me and all my friends
I took 3.5g my first time. Now.. everyone is different and I'm not saying that this is the way to go about things.. but I kinda just let go of the stigma. I didn't attach the mushrooms to anything I've heard or thought they would do.
I took the mushrooms, and let whatever happens, happen. It was a beautiful ride nonetheless. Definitely a bit odd when I looked at the ground and seen it breathing as this was my first time ever consuming a psychedelic. But, after I got comfortable with the visuals, shit got wild but I was completely fine with it.
Nothing beats that first experience imo. When you first pop your cherry with a psychedelic. I will always try and push someone to take an 8th for their first time.. because you will never get that first time back.
But, I am different than most and pretty good at just letting things happen. I don't get all tied up. I just watch the show. Some people can't.. which are the ones that will learn these aren't for them.
Ps: you can't prepare yourself for an experience. I mean, you may think you're able to.. but when it hits you.. its pretty much up to the mushrooms at that point. As long as you're okay with not being in control.. then you'll be fine. Weed, or anything of that doesnt come anywhere close in sync with a psychedelic experience. It's the hard truth.
My first time I took around 5g and I died and floated through space and all kind of crazy shit I couldn't believed what happened to me. But I've seen some friends freak out from ~2g and I'm just saying people should be careful. I agree that nothing beats that first trip, it's still on my mind
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: grati]
#26370564 - 12/09/19 09:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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First one is great because you have no expectations in a sense. You really don't know what to expect.. you're a virgin to it all. Such a great time.
But yeah I feel that. I too have had friends lose their shit on doses around 2g or so. Now.. I kept telling them you have to be mentally prepared as best you can. But some just couldn't hold their shit together. Then they all all frightened and it's a downward spiral from there.
But, I do think prior to taking a psychedelic you kind of know if you can handle what may come. People just have control issues. They seem to be the ones that have the real breakdowns when it comes down to it. I mean.. I've had scary experiences.. but I didn't break down. I accepted it and as uncomfortable it was I knew it would end.
But 5g for a first time... oof. Yeah, that's a whole different ballgame than an 8th lol.
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
#26370639 - 12/09/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Vibe_Enthusiast said: First one is great because you have no expectations in a sense. You really don't know what to expect.. you're a virgin to it all. Such a great time.
But yeah I feel that. I too have had friends lose their shit on doses around 2g or so. Now.. I kept telling them you have to be mentally prepared as best you can. But some just couldn't hold their shit together. Then they all all frightened and it's a downward spiral from there.
But, I do think prior to taking a psychedelic you kind of know if you can handle what may come. People just have control issues. They seem to be the ones that have the real breakdowns when it comes down to it. I mean.. I've had scary experiences.. but I didn't break down. I accepted it and as uncomfortable it was I knew it would end.
But 5g for a first time... oof. Yeah, that's a whole different ballgame than an 8th lol.
Because I read on forums that 3g is a normal trip. The cubes were also crazy potent, the first trip changed my life and I'm glad I had the balls to do it I've also had extremely scary experiences that would leave others with PTSD, I died like 10 times so far on psychedelics and seen everything
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
#26370643 - 12/09/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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We don't perceive reality, we perceive what the biological structure of the brain shows us, that of the phenomena/activity that our sense organs pick up.
All the structures within the mind are constantly growing off what structure preceded it, think of a baby's mind and how that evolves over the years & decades, it's a continuum from the first thoughts (possibly even pre-birth).
with that being said, psychedelics can show you things way outside your normal purview and that is both the pro & con of doing psychedelics.
You can severely damage your ability to live life as you'd like to because of creating new patterns of thought that can be antithetical to how you like to think. Psychedelics should be for the scientific mind & the artist because anyone else is going to have an odd time incorporating what they learn into their lives. That's just my advice.
Our mind is a culture, be careful not to disturb it too much and have fun when things go south, there's no reason to suffer exponentially, which can absolutely break structures within the mind & brain (therein lies the risk).
Good luck, and maybe hold off until you have confidence in both your ability and your living circumstance. Being financially well off can greatly reduce the possibility of a bad time.
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus]
#26370775 - 12/09/19 11:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tripping is hardly easy ime always discobobulating but the good kind. often feels like my entire sober life I was in half asleep autopilot mode and am only now just waking up a little. and the higher you get the more you lose sight of the so called hard facts. until youre thinking oh my god am I here all alone? and you know something is happening here but you dont know what it is do you mr jones?
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: mt cleverest]
#26371048 - 12/09/19 02:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the feeling of aloneness is what fucked with me so heavily during my last trip that sent me down a spiral. I felt as if I was stuck in time..and this never ending thoughtloop. I felt like I was the only one there and this was going to be the same moment I experienced forever.
Was such a rabbit hole and fucked with me heavily. I was able to overcome it (like you have have another option). But yeah.. that feeling of loneliness during a trip can be blissful yet terrifying. Very odd.
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus] 2
#26373485 - 12/10/19 04:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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People have said that the psychedelic experience is completely ineffible - you cannot describe it, nor can someone who hasn't experienced it imagine it. These two statements really clicked recently. I'm yet to take any psychedelics, and it occurred to me that whatever I've been imagining the experience like in my head, it's absolutely nothing like that and infinitely more real than the space in my imaginaon. A reality so completely unimaginable and wholly other that I literally cannot think it (which gets kinda freaky when I have a dream where I experience psychedelics).
I like the enthusiasm expressed in your post - I think you would find mushrooms to be an enriching experience because they are just so stimulating and interesting to anyone with even the vaguest interest in consciousness and the nature of reality, or anyone who wants to explore their own mind 
I wrote a long answer which I hope gives a useful picture of the psychedelic experience as it typically presents itself to me in a mushroom trip. Although the focus in a lot of Shroomery threads is about the extremes of the experience, it was fun to write about the general experience of tripping itself at a moderate dose, which is typically strange but not terrifying, as though you are being guided on a safari through the peculiar realms of your psyche.

There are certain elements of the psychedelic experience which are indeed "ineffable" (for example if you are trying to explain a trip which had a powerful mystical / transcendent / spiritual feeling to it) but you can describe a lot of what happens in a trip. The only issue is that until you experience a trip for yourself, there will always be a bit of a mismatch between what you imagined or expected and the experience itself. It will be a bit like you expected, but somehow different...
I remember my first mushroom trip, and while the dose was fairly mild I was utterly fascinated by the way that my open-eye visuals seemed to be firmly located in the external world (I was sitting on a kerb and watching the stones in the tarmac slowly drift into a spiral).
One thing that is fairly simple to understand before you experience psychedelics is the idea of a "closed eye visual". If you close your eyes and look at the back of your eyelids when sober, there is probably not much to see, just a vague darkness, or a vague brightness of the light coming through your eyelids. That is the mental 'space' where you will begin to see imagery, perhaps starting as a grid-like patterning and then developing into random scenes, slightly cartoonish imagery, and developing further into the geometric or organic kind of psychedelic environments that have bled into popular consciousness, artwork and video imagery since the 60's.
One thing that is hard to communicate or understand before you try psychedelics is the purely 'mental' part of a trip. You can encounter 'another reality' in a mushroom trip at higher doses, as if you are getting drawn further into the realm of the closed-eye-visuals, but a lot of the time the external visual aspect is fairly subtle.
The room can look almost normal, but the inside of your mind can be a long way away from normal. You could compare it to the vibe of anything by David Lynch - what you see on the screen at any particular moment isn't necessarily wildly psychedelic or odd to look at, but the overall vibe is very weird.
Sometimes I've described my own trips as "a slow slide into unreality", and it is hard to convey the way that your thoughts themselves become altered. When you move above low doses and a trip really takes hold, you cannot mentally 'experience' it as something external which is taking place around you, as though the trip is one thing and you are something else experiencing it. You are the trip and your point of view, your mental perspective of yourself and the world, your sense of self, is built on shifting sands.

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It's quite hilarious, really. I imagine it as bizarre, peculiar, and terrifying
It can be all of those things, but you can ease yourself into the experience by choosing your dose carefully.
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so I'd like to ask you guys: how the hell do you guys handle psychedelic reality?
Is it really that different? (wholly other, as Terrence puts it).
Providing the dose isn't too overwhelming, I think the natural reaction to a psychedelic experience is a state of childlike wonder, a sense of excitement mixed with an appreciation of the beauty of what you are experiencing.
Low doses of mushrooms won't shatter anything, no, but this is where the balancing act comes in. Maybe you enjoy a low dose trip but it's not quite the experience you were hoping for, so you want to increase the dose next time to get a more meaningful or visual experience. There is a tension between trying to get more of a full-on experience at higher doses, and coping with the intensity that comes with it.
There may come a point at which you realize you have crossed over into quite a different type of trip, the intensity is overwhelming, and like your Jung quote says (nice quote by the way), it suddenly seems a lot more real than you want it to be. The trip is taking you somewhere you fear to go, where anything could happen...
The truth is that there isn't really a way to "handle" that, you just try to ride the trip as best you can. In fact you don't need to resist it or handle it or try to 'stay sane', you are better off "surrendering to the trip" as you may have heard it expressed. When a strong trip starts to feel somehow "wrong" and the vibe from within it becomes deeply sinister, alien and doom-laden, when you feel as though you have broken reality and come into contact with some terrifying power within the trip - that is what you need to surrender to. You can let go and suddenly find yourself in the kind of blissful, ineffable state of transcendence that you were least expecting at that particular moment.
So dose carefully and respect the potential power of a strong trip, but as you gain experience don't be afraid to explore the psychedelic headspace at higher doses - part of that will inevitably involve thinking you took too much at some point (insert appropriate McKenna quote here, I've forgotten it).

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I feel like I'm just worrying, because my ego is freaking out trying to imagine what it cannot.
At moderate doses, mushrooms are strange but usually in a fun way. Below is an extract from a recent trip journal (covering a 40 minute section of the come-up) which will hopefully illustrate some of the things I've tried to explain above; the mental landscape of a mushroom trip, something intriguing and weird but not something to freak out over:
So I'm sitting in bed in a hotel room which has floor-to-ceiling curtains in front of the bed and to one side, so an entire corner of the room resembles the "red room" of the black lodge in twin peaks, except that the curtains are grey, shifted to a weird shade of olive green by the trip so that the folds of the curtains start to resemble the trunks of trees in a forest...
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I was sitting on the bed, thinking, and noticed a motion in the curtains, as if the folds were waves and I was watching the ripples. It was as if the motion was only half-complete, like watching waves on repeat.
I feel the trip more strongly now. It's amusing that when I try to explain coherently what the visuals are doing, my thoughts are altered by the same kind of strange resonances, waves, ripples and contortions.
OEV: The shadow created by the fingers of my hand, where I was resting it on the page, looked like the writing inside a 60s or 70s-style advertisement. The phantoms created by a mind constantly subjected to advertising. Phantoms and phantasms. Explain the difference between in 1500 words.
Who are you writing to? Or who are you writing for? And why?
The trip feels like a heaviness starting to press down from above. CEV: An astronaut in slow motion, trying to escape his constraints and flee from the unnatural space he finds himself inside. Beckoning fingers from the indefinite surfaces pressing down against my imagination. The tranquil surfaces of powerful seas.
"A confrontation with the subconscious".
The waves of the music radiate out like heat. An interrogation by sound.
Within the fractal contortions and infinite webs, are the words.
CEV: A figure met in a forest with a cloak concealing a metal rib cage like the supporting elements of a large structure, or the collapsible elements of a small tent. But this was not a small space, more like a large circus tent or vaulted cathedral. And you try to explain this to the police.
Or you would. But there are no police in this forest. The police, if they were to be asked, would advise you strongly not to come here. Not to come here at night, certainly...
In those notes you can see certain features of a trip - some open eye visuals and some closed-eye scenes. The seeming randomness of the imagery and the way your thoughts can shift from one thing to another, the overall sense of strangeness and 'things coming out of nowhere' in your imagination like the sudden, unexplained reference to "the police". Spaces opening up within your CEV. The power of the trip experienced physically as a weight upon you. A slight sense of mania or madness creeping in (How am I being interrogated by my music? Why am I talking about writing a 1500 word essay on the difference between phantoms and phantasms? Why the sudden shift to the second person - who is the "you" in the forest?).
The elements of a trip are not always random - often in retrospect I can pick out certain memories that have cropped up as imagery, as though the trip is picking things magpie-like from my memories, either recent or distant. I'd been reading "Nocturnes" by John Connolly, a collection of spooky stories, several set in or around forests, including one featuring the Erlking, a somewhat sinister elf-king figure from German / Scandinavian folklore. Which explains why the trip went off at a slight tangent into "the forest, at night".
Closer to the peak of the trip, this was one of my CEV, where more random imagery gives way to an increasing obsession about this non-existent forest, within the "theater of the mind":
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I think that trip had a good balance where it was strong enough to be interesting, but not strong enough to be too intense (the actual dose was 30g of sclerotia which is difficult to translate into typical 'dry cube' dosage but was maybe comparable to something like 4g, I don't know).
When I started tripping regularly, I read a post suggesting that it was a good idea to trip with a pen and a notebook in which you could make occasional notes about your trip. Since then I've always done this and I enjoy the way that the trip affects your thought process, your use of language, as you try to write about it.
Music is another good tip for tripping - some people prefer silence but I always like to listen to a playlist of carefully chosen music which will last for the duration of the experience.
It doesn't have to be an ultra-serious endeavor and you are allowed to enjoy your trip 
I hope you get to experience mushrooms in all their strangeness and glory, and do be sure to post about it. I would be interested to see how your expectations match up with reality... or should that be unreality? Close your eyes, and see!
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Aldebaran]
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Hey Aldebaran, you write so well. A big thumbs up to you, sir 👍🏻
I believe the McKenna quote you alluded to was: “Mushrooms can not kill you. (Pause). Mushrooms can persuade you they can kill you, but they cannot kill you. (Laughter) 🧐Or something like that....
Take care, DJ Ed.
p.s. I will check out some of your trip reports and comment. I’m overwhelmed at the moment catching up with loads of posts on the shroomery since a 3 year absence!
-------------------- “It’s like when you see a mountain lion,” he suggested. “If you run, it will chase you. So you must stand your ground.” Michael Pollan: How To Change Your Mind “The problem is not to find the answer, it’s to face the answer.” Terence McKenna

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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26375171 - 12/11/19 02:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Remember that you're an animal. And that so is everyone else.
Don't get caught up listening to other people's interpretations of the intangible. Listen to the very real fact that we're animals who can safely eat these things. Everything else is your journey. McKenna, Jung, whoever the fuck else with some unfounded merit of worship. There is absolutely no perspective that will equip you with what you will need to persist the experience. (Any experience, for that matter) An ant crawling across a pebble might have more profound implications to the success of your journey than the views of a whole team of the most decorated psychoanalysts in the world.
As a child, when an elder cautioned you of something intangible from their own experience, something that could not immediately bite you, how often did that caution actually make an impact? How often were you left with a perspective that actually persisted into that experience? Probably not very. Because you need to see for yourself.
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