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Offlinefaoneus
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How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics?
    #26368364 - 12/08/19 06:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

My two cents: A few factoids I've learned really clicked in lately. Carl Jung described the danger of psychedelics being not that the experience isn't real, but that it's more real than you want it to be. People have said that the psychedelic experience is completely ineffible - you cannot describe it, nor can someone who hasn't experienced it imagine it. These two statements really clicked recently. I'm yet to take any psychedelics, and it occurred to me that whatever I've been imagining the experience like in my head, it's absolutely nothing like that and infinitely more real than the space in my imaginaon. A reality so completely unimaginable and wholly other that I literally cannot think it (which gets kinda freaky when I have a dream where I experience psychedelics).

I barely even understand normal reality as it is. What am I, where does realty come from, what even IS reality? Do others experience the same reality as me? I feel kinda crazy,  because I don't even understand these things in normal realty, so jumping into a reality which I literally cannot imagine seems, well... UNIMAGINABLE!! The while concept seems batshit terrifying. It's quite hilarious, really. I imagine it as bizarre, peculiar, and terrifying, even though I know I can't imagine it. I feel like I'm just worrying, because my ego is freaking out trying to imagine what it cannot.

so I'd like to ask you guys: how the hell do you guys handle psychedelic reality?

Is it really that different? (wholly other, as Terrence puts it). I assume a low dose (below 2g) didn't completely shatter your view of reality?


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus]
    #26368387 - 12/08/19 06:32 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well it's much easier to handle when you're young. When I was 18 I could take a handful of magic mushshrooms without experiencing any fear. I honestly cant do that anymore. The more shit you've been through the more difficult psychedelics are going to be.

This is how I would tell a friend to start using these substances. Start off with pot for a couple months. Pot puts you in a different head space so it'll help prepare you for psychedelics. After that grow some mushrooms and get your hands on a few xanax. These xanax will only be used if you ever experience a bad trip. Start of with 1g of mushrooms and see how that goes. Next time take 1.75g then go from there. After you experience mushrooms get some mimosa hostilis or acacia bark and extract nn dmt. Purchase a good smoking device like the Sherlock glass vapor genie and start off with .10mg ... Those 2 psychedelics are all you honestly need in my opinion and they can be grown or extracted from home. Don't buy anything from a drug dealer... Follow my advice and you should be ok..


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus] * 1
    #26368394 - 12/08/19 06:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

faoneus said:

so I'd like to ask you guys: how the hell do you guys handle psychedelic reality?

Is it really that different? (wholly other, as Terrence puts it). I assume a low dose (below 2g) didn't completely shatter your view of reality?




You just witness/experience it. You don't control it. Similar to learning anything new, you don't keep interrupting your teacher with questions that are irrelevant to the lesson.

Everybody has a different experience and the experience is not necessarily the same every time.

If you are curious, start with a low dose. You'll experience the effect when you close your eyes and try to "relax" your mind (like meditation). You will still be able to function normally if needed.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shenmue] * 3
    #26368396 - 12/08/19 06:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You honestly don't need to take Psychedelics to grow as a person. Life is extremely short so you're better off experiencing the reality that you're in right now. Dmt isn't going to give you the ultimate answers. It just gives you hope that there's something beyond this reality.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus] * 1
    #26368400 - 12/08/19 06:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

hehe pretty well said I would say :P

with dmt for example it really was like that for me, when I got there this reality was way more real then our everyday reality and it also felt like coming home.

but if you are talking about 2g mushrooms, they certainly can shatter your view of reality but it most likely wont happen, but you never know (happened to my brother).

when my friends and me started we used to take 2.5 grams of mushrooms. And thats was more like lots of laughing, seeing beautiful energy and visuals moving trough the room and just having fun.

I never had a terrifying experience with normal doses of mushrooms for example. Its more like a roller coaster ride xD


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26368405 - 12/08/19 06:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, it’s pretty different.

Before I tripped, I thought it was all about rainbow kalidescopes and seeing things like unicorns and elves.

How about this; it isn’t going to be like what people say or you imagine, except vaguely. Like, yes there are colors and sounds.... but, it’s the other stuff going on in your head that really makes it a “trip”.

And really, yes you are excited and nervous thinking about it. Best bet, calm your expectations. Be resolved to experience whatever happens, even if it isn’t like you expected.

When are you planning your first trip and what substance?

Edit: also, don’t feel obligated to use marijuana before trying psychedelics. The advantage to using pot before psychs is a familiarity with altered consciousness. But, psychedelics stand alone. Some people like weed, some people don’t.


Edited by Shr00mEater (12/08/19 06:55 AM)


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26368415 - 12/08/19 06:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'v read a lot of philosophy, when to uni. also studied litterature. And I am a thinker, I really think a lot about things, so when I found that my body were located in different places in the room on mushroom. I was not suprised at all, just interested.

My abstract thinking mind have yet come across any problems on psychedelics, it seems that I sorted these out partly by use of cannabis and concentration, partly cause of reading, writing and thinking.

But then again, that primal, archaic space that mushrooms take you too is deeper down in the psyche/universe than the "abstract thinkinh mind", so in this space I don't really have much control at all. Sometimes all I can do, is just watch. This is where some meditation and concentration training comes in handy: to be able to just watch.


The headspace of say mushrooms on more than 3g is so different, that I havent yet managed to enjoy this state like I do with weed. In doses bigger than 3g you feel that you never know whats coming.

But Ive only taken it two times so far, so maybe I will get a better understanding of this headspace as I get experienced. I did with weed.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus] * 1
    #26368464 - 12/08/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Wow your psychedelic journey stretches out in your future; you have so many great experiences to look forward to.

I would give you a bit of advice, which is my own personal opinion, so by all means discard it as bullshit! But I would advise you to do your first trip at around 3.5g dried Psilocybe Cubensis, and take it with an experienced friend. This dose will give you a really good feel for the psychedelic experience. It will be an intense come up, and you will probably be filled with anxiety. But that’s where your experienced friend comes in. You will not freak out the same if someone is experiencing the same as you and is telling you that you’ll be fine.

And what you will find is that after about 1.5 to 2 hours, you’ll get to the peak, and the psychedelic headspace. This is the ultimate, and once you have experienced this headspace, you will want to come back. You go through the fear and anxiety to get to the headspace. Depending on dose, you may be lucid, you may be stimulated, you may be stoned, you may be lost; but you will get positive results from the headspace - healing, spirituality, curiosity. Some effects you may experience here: telepathy, time travel, time dilation, eternity, oneness, acceptance, bliss, euphoria, total wow this is fucking MAGIC. I often see fairies in the air - twinkly little lights floating around; I see the web of consciousness; I see the elves. You will be filled with wonder for life.

If you go too large a dose for your first go, and are not prepared, nd in a safe setting, you may scare yourself away forever. And that would be a real shame.

Good luck, stay safe, and enjoy.

Don’t forget the trip report 👊🏻
Take care,
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26368480 - 12/08/19 07:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just ride the wave :vibin:


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: grati] * 1
    #26368487 - 12/08/19 08:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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grati said:
Just ride the wave :vibin:




Lol yeah baby. The only thing you can do 👊🏻

Cheers
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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26368608 - 12/08/19 09:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think the advice posted here is accurate.....IF you choose to move forward, use a moderate dose for your first time as well as having an experienced psychedelic user act as a sitter.
Then, just observe.
Your understanding of reality will change somewhat with smaller doses.....a breakthrough dose may completely change everything you once thought was truth.
For me, this was a good thing, but it took over a year to process one of those trips.
But your caution is well founded, too often I see young people treat high dose psychedelics like video games or something to party with and end up getting in way over their heads.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: faoneus] * 4
    #26368659 - 12/08/19 09:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

it gives you what you need, not what you want. worrying is useless in this endeavor. just go into it with finished homework, an open mind, a still body and a yearn to learn.


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26368740 - 12/08/19 10:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

At the end of the day, you have eaten shrooms and hallucinated. The come up is when the crazy stuff happens, the come down is when you’re  still under he influence and you are making sense of what happened. That’s when you have realizations and break throughs etc. Your brain on psilocybin is like connecting a turbo to it and running it at full throttle. It connects the brain in a way that it’s normally not connect. Also according to research it may create permanent pathways and regenerate neurons. One rule to remember is you don’t make rash decisions soon after your trip. The mushrooms view of the world is vastly different then our own.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Antigov]
    #26368749 - 12/08/19 10:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Write songs

And actually write.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: AZZI] * 3
    #26368853 - 12/08/19 11:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

They always give you what you need. They simply raise awareness. They are contraindicated for some people, though. They are indispensable for students of philosophy and psychology. I believe that without one powerful psychedelic experience, psychologists or philosophers are not working with a full deck.

If you’re smart with set and setting, having a hard time is much less likely. Some of us learn this the hard way, but it’s still learning.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26368857 - 12/08/19 11:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26368865 - 12/08/19 11:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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CountHTML said:
They always give you what you need. They simply raise awareness. They are contraindicated for some people, though. They are indispensable for students of philosophy and psychology. I believe that without one powerful psychedelic experience, psychologists or philosophers are not working with a full deck.

If you’re smart with set and setting, having a hard time is much less likely. Some of us learn this the hard way, but it’s still learning.




They don't always give you what you need! That's such a stupid thing to say! Sometimes people lose their minds and commit suicide on these substances.  Did those people get what they needed? I'm so tired of the hocus pocus bullshit.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26368869 - 12/08/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'll rephrase: They raise awareness of the underlying mechanics and contents of one's mind and consciousness. They always reveal. This is why they are contraindicated for some people; obviously, this raised awareness is not always a good thing for all people.

These things aren't toys.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26368955 - 12/08/19 12:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think Carl Jung is on about the shadow when warning about psychedelics. Some people won't handle encountering it.


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Re: How the heck do you guys handle Psychedelics? [Re: Indicabuds420]
    #26368960 - 12/08/19 12:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The whole beware of unearned wisdom thing is spot on. The shadow is like an invisible guardian of truths we’re not ready, mature or strong enough yet to see.


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