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Vibe_Enthusiast
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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Mice-Helium]
#26373184 - 12/10/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mice-Helium said: I've always thought that it would be interesting for experiments to be carried out trying to "communicate" with them/it (whatever the preferred pronoun is ).
Trying to communicate with animals is somewhat possible as seen with dogs, birds, primates... but there is such a huge language barrier to be broken with those. You can get a dog to sit, they can tell you that they're hungry etc... only rudimentary communication, but nonetheless super complicated and impressive.
Hallucinogens are capable of putting pictures and thoughts into your head or at least induce them. It's almost a form of telepathy (which would be the most efficient form of communication i can think of).
McKennas talks of DMT entities and his communication with them. This implies that he was able to have 2-way communication with them, but i can't think of a way that you could prove this? How could you get a Mushroom/Mycelia/Hyphae to 'Sit' or show that it understands and respond (Beside what we perceive to be communication in our heads)?
If a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? If you do something something relatively impossible but unable to prove it.. does that mean you didn't do it?
I believe all that matters.. is what you've experienced. No one is going to be able to tell you if you did or did not. It's only going to go by what your processed and how you think about it. At that point, doesn't matter what anyone else says. Nor any of their justification.
Us humans try so hard to understand things and talk about it with others. We can't just let something be for what it is.
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LosTresOjos
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Obviously they are, how many things can degrade heavy radioactive metals? They are way more advanced than us. We gotta use an enormous amount of energy in order to eat. The fungi can just cruise the wind and land on food. Everything constantly dies so the food supply is maintained very steadily.
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LosTresOjos
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Mice-Helium said: I've always thought that it would be interesting for experiments to be carried out trying to "communicate" with them/it (whatever the preferred pronoun is ).
Trying to communicate with animals is somewhat possible as seen with dogs, birds, primates... but there is such a huge language barrier to be broken with those. You can get a dog to sit, they can tell you that they're hungry etc... only rudimentary communication, but nonetheless super complicated and impressive.
Hallucinogens are capable of putting pictures and thoughts into your head or at least induce them. It's almost a form of telepathy (which would be the most efficient form of communication i can think of).
McKennas talks of DMT entities and his communication with them. This implies that he was able to have 2-way communication with them, but i can't think of a way that you could prove this? How could you get a Mushroom/Mycelia/Hyphae to 'Sit' or show that it understands and respond (Beside what we perceive to be communication in our heads)?
If a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? If you do something something relatively impossible but unable to prove it.. does that mean you didn't do it?
I believe all that matters.. is what you've experienced. No one is going to be able to tell you if you did or did not. It's only going to go by what your processed and how you think about it. At that point, doesn't matter what anyone else says. Nor any of their justification.
Us humans try so hard to understand things and talk about it with others. We can't just let something be for what it is.
You expect the mushroom to sit? Lol not unless it wants to.
You are bringing a human perspective into a domain where we can barely communicate the ideas and concepts. That's the thing, how can someone prove they saw or spoke to god. It's a personal experience and it's not shareable at this time on history. So we by default must put it aside as non evidence. Once someone makes a good leap on that field then we can get down to the details but for now, we are all crazy.
And just because we have a hard time letting things go doesn't mean the next step is to make something up. One has to be honest with themselves. If you are left uncomfortable by the answer, I don't know, then that's how it is. If you try to maintain comfort you are likely to just jump to a conclusion. Wrong or right, it doesn't matter at this point.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26373677 - 12/10/19 05:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DJ Ed said: I tried to create single spore liquid cultures using Petri dishes but was never successful..
Yeah, well there are no single spore cultures, it takes two to make a fruiting culture. Mushroom sex, baby.
As for the rest of it - once you start to experience hyperdimensional reality the walls of your normal perception fall away. How you interpret what happens then depends heavily on what you bring to the party, as you can put all kinds of different labels on it and none of them are wrong, but none of them are necessarily correct either. I.e. it's who/what/where you are that makes you think these things, not something that's being forced into your mind by some kind of outside influence.
Lose your attachments if you want to experience it more directly.
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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26373880 - 12/10/19 08:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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if I dose big, the walls and even pieces of dog turd are totally intelligent, and they have so much attitude! really!
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DJ Ed
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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26374896 - 12/11/19 11:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
Yeah, well there are no single spore cultures, it takes two to make a fruiting culture. Mushroom sex, baby.

Yeah Iโm talking shite again, PrimalSoup. Memory is crap! The single spore trial was just in the Petri dishes then eventually spawn grain with triangles of it. But they always contaminated! LCs were from spore syringe. Just lost a culture I was about to transfer to the fridge; the vent polyfill must have gotten wet when swirling the jar as overnight I got loads of white mould patches on the surface ๐๐คฌ๐
Take care, DJ Ed
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26376025 - 12/11/19 08:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It just takes practice and experience. When I started out years ago I grew mostly contams.
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