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OfflineDJ Ed
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Are mushrooms intelligent? * 1
    #26368267 - 12/08/19 03:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What’s up trip team? Here’s a few thoughts for you that have occurred to me after different frequency of tripping over the last few years.

Recently I have been taking 3.8g dry PC B+ mushroom Lemon Tek tea. At two week intervals, alone. Each trip has gotten stronger to the point where the last one felt like 5g, with ego death.

Q1: why from the same batch of dried and frozen are theses relatively low dose trips getting stronger?

Previously I have been trying “the heroic. Dose” in silent darkness. I have had some really really intense and scary trips. They can be so overwhelming, I have not tripped again for like 9 or 10 months. I return to the mushrooms with trepidation, but here is the crux: after a big lay off, the mushrooms are really kind and gentle with me!

Q2: why are the mushrooms being Gentle? Are they trying to re-introduce themselves to me?

I’m convinced they’re trying to help me and communicate with me.

And one other thing, I’ve watched a few videos of the British neuro-scientist, Rosalind Watts. She advocates asking the mushrooms for help. So in a recent 4g trip where it was getting very intense, I told the mushrooms that I had come for their help and that why were they making it difficult for me? The trip intensity became much less intimidating, and I made loads of therapeutic progress on that trip.

Q3: are mushrooms sentient? How do they seem to know what sort of a trip you need?

Cheers all,
DJ Ed.


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26368426 - 12/08/19 07:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Q1. 3.8g lemon tek isn’t exactly a low dose? I can imagine that with familiarity and ritual, it’s not that the drug is more potent, but that you are more sensitive to the effects. Easiest explains room is that multispore grows will have some level of variability.

That’s the only question I can actually even try to answer.

Q2. and Q3. Are both kinda leading and loaded questions. You already believe the mushrooms are trying to communicate with you...... so, accordingly, -obviously- they are sentient and being gentle because they have gotten used to you hanging around with them. They are psychic, that’s how they know what you want/need. 😎


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26368449 - 12/08/19 07:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I’ve been watching loads of YouTube videos recently (Joe Rogan various guests, Rosalind Watts, Kilindi Iyi, Terence McKenna), and doing loads of research, as my interest suddenly seems to have piqued since moving towards disciplined regular lower dose trips.

Familiarity; yes, that sounds plausible. And sensitivity; I was thinking more along the lines that because I was getting more used to the trip, I was accepting the pain much quicker, hence the trips getting stronger. If that makes any kind of sense?

Somebody else has mentioned multi-spore grows to me, and that probably is the biggest part of the recent differences. I have grown from spore syringes only. I tried to create single spore liquid cultures using Petri dishes but was never successful.

Q2 and Q3; yeah, loaded questions 🤣. I am always grateful after a blissful rather than scary trip. A couple of months back I did all my liberty caps from the freezer. Was about 3.6g dry, and was a horrible trip. No ego death, no magic, no visualisations, no euphoria. When they started to kick in, I knew I was in trouble. Took myself into the conservatory and put Shpongle on the speaker - they always ground me when the going gets tough. Not this time though. Initially I felt relief and started laughing to myself. Then it instantly ramped up again in intensity. So I sat there for three full hours with my head in my hands. The visuals as such were like the entire field of view was microscopic fractals. Nothing else, just weird and intense.

So two weeks later I did 3.8g cubensis B+, and was very nervous but hoping it would be so much less intense than the heroic dose of liberty caps. It was; in fact it was awesome. I danced for most of the trip, and with eyes closed I was dancing with multitudes of elves / entities / whatever they were. But they were benign. I started thanking the psychedelic gods out loud for giving me a really enjoyable let your hair down type trip.

They knew I needed this; that’s why I’m being disciplined now and maintaining a two week schedule.

I intend to go back to the heroic dose, but only once or twice a year.

Cheers for replying,
DJ Ed.


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“The problem is not to find the answer, it’s to face the answer.”
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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26368846 - 12/08/19 11:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There is the perception that there is a sentience associated with mushrooms. This is not present with something like LSD. They say cactus has a different sentience associated with it, as well. I definitely feel like I’m connecting with an intelligence on mushrooms and I have no reason to doubt this. I remain agnostic though.


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26368850 - 12/08/19 11:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You don't believe in the great Om?

:smile:

Just kidding ya


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: AZZI] * 1
    #26368856 - 12/08/19 11:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

i recently saw an article that claims scientists recorded plants making screeching noises when they are stressed.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26368870 - 12/08/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
i recently saw an article that claims scientists recorded plants making screeching noises when they are stressed.




Like when they’re about to be harvested. I’ve read similar.

Cheers,
DJ Ed


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26368916 - 12/08/19 11:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Albert Hoffman himself said that what he did not like about mushrooms was that they seem to come with an guest, an entity or presence.

I cant say that I've felt such a presence yet. But I do feel that the experience has a strong "personality".


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26368922 - 12/08/19 11:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well actually, I remember feeling a kind of presence now. And I sort of spoke to it. I presented it my abstract thinking mind, and I said: "not bad, ey?". It didn't respond. It was like it dint know exactly what to do with my brain yet. Like it needed time to study it further.


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26370259 - 12/09/19 06:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I talk to the mushrooms as they're one. When I'm tripping sack and they're trying to mindfuck me.. I just laugh and say you sneaky fucker.

They like to play games. They love when we take them as they can express themselves in a human vessel


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26370327 - 12/09/19 07:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

They're certainly intelligent.
The processes that occur from spore to fruit body and that whole cycle are really impressive to me.
Paul Stamets' Ted talks and interviews/podcasts describe how the single cell wall thich hyphae are able to transmit information within the organism and also to other organisms.

Also see this:


There are many examples of fungal intelligence.

Now whether it is conscious or not is a whole other thing.

I know they react an alter our state of consciousness, but whether this is another intelligent presence communicating with us... i'm not sure. It very much feels that way, but how can we know?
Agnostic.


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Mice-Helium]
    #26370530 - 12/09/19 09:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Fascinating video, Mice-Helium, thanks. I watched one, I think it was Joe Rogan with Paul Stamets a few years ago; they discussed the experiment whereby the Japanese underground rail network was modelled, with each underground station a food store, then let mycelium do its stuff. The mycelium worked out the most efficient way of connecting up all the stations. They didn’t get as good as an answer from computers!

Cheers,
DJ Ed


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26371174 - 12/09/19 03:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don’t know if they are sentient.
I try to be rational as possible.

However, yes, while tripping on shrooms, I do talk to them and I think they talk to me.

I can think of many explanations.

When I’m not tripping. I will say it’s all in your head and some psychological phenomena, but when tripping...... I just go with it, meaning : ThE ShRoOMz tELL meH WuT 2 dO!!!  :crazy2:


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26371289 - 12/09/19 04:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I just had my first trip in about 15 years on 40g of fresh cubes. They def welcomed me back in a way only an old friend could.

Also the Tokyo subway experiment is awesome. I think intelligence is a harder concept to attribute outside of humans in general but in short I'm going to have to say yes to the shrooms being intelligent.


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: AlwaysAtHeight]
    #26371595 - 12/09/19 06:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No. But they do know what’s going on. Chandra Bose’s work is what showed plants exude pains and are conscious of being cut and cooked, among other things.

I said earlier you can’t tell what’s going on when there are so many people and things requesting your attention, which is a situation not everyone is in, but I can tell. When thoughts occur these days, I have to be conscious of where they’re originating and who’s requesting what, and whether I want to do it and fit in or not.

Mushrooms and acid can alter how you feel about the vibe and aura around, and could promote action. People aren’t supposed to know or request all that information like that when you can already tell they’ll sell you out in the end, so it doesn’t make sense.


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Blabble40]
    #26371625 - 12/09/19 06:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The world is intelligent. Thats what makes everything so trippy & profound when we trip, we open up the universal intelligence all around us.


Edited by High Night Expanse (12/09/19 06:20 PM)


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Blabble40]
    #26371627 - 12/09/19 06:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yes they are. Everyone who dosed big at least once knows this :shrug:


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Blabble40]
    #26371692 - 12/09/19 06:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Mabye they are intelligent or much more wise that we cannot recognize it at first glance.
Being we are 99% bacterial/fungal/yeast biological machine hosts; we could very well be the rouge AI of the plant, bacterial, fungal, kingdom that is now in the process of making silicon based intelligence that may go rouge in a similar manner.

The paradox is everything as a whole can be considered intelligent as seen through the evolutionary drive that all life shares and pushes on toward the final unknown (to us) result.

All I know is, intelligence is useless for progress and longevity without the wisdom and patience to apply it.
Human kind is just a microscopic blip on the time line compared to the rest of the biological kingdom we have known so far.
It is even arrogant to think we are the smart ones plagued with such a inherent case of amnesia that we have to write stuff down just to remember what happened a lousy thousand years ago while the rest of life just keeps on doing what it does best, survive. :rollsafe:


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
    #26372268 - 12/10/19 03:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've always thought that it would be interesting for experiments to be carried out trying to "communicate" with them/it (whatever the preferred pronoun is :rolleyes:).

Trying to communicate with animals is somewhat possible as seen with dogs, birds, primates... but there is such a huge language barrier to be broken with those. You can get a dog to sit, they can tell you that they're hungry etc... only rudimentary communication, but nonetheless super complicated and impressive.

Hallucinogens are capable of putting pictures and thoughts into your head or at least induce them. It's almost a form of telepathy (which would be the most efficient form of communication i can think of).

McKennas talks of DMT entities and his communication with them. This implies that he was able to have 2-way communication with them, but i can't think of a way that you could prove this? How could you get a Mushroom/Mycelia/Hyphae to 'Sit' or show that it understands and respond (Beside what we perceive to be communication in our heads)?


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Re: Are mushrooms intelligent? [Re: Mice-Helium]
    #26372938 - 12/10/19 11:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think the McKenna brothers tried to experiment when they went to the Amazon in the 60s when searching for ayahuasca? But found mushrooms. Something along the lines of an excretion they noticed while tripping. Their hypothesis was they could bring this  secretion back from the trip. They were never successful.

I believe I have communicated with the mushrooms / mushroom spirit. Once after watching Rosalind Watts, I asked the mushrooms for help rather than scaring the bejesus out of me! That was one of my really therapeutic trips, and I overcame my depression completely for about two weeks (that’s why I’m trialling 2 week maintenance doses at the moment).

But I tend more towards thinking that the conversations you have are with your own subconscious; but that subconscious holds thousands of years of human experiences, and mushrooms. It’s as good as mushroom intelligence, it’s stored in our DNA.

Cheers all,
DJ Ed


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