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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26366125 - 12/07/19 12:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
Hopefully nothing,
it's The Pub



Some of the most life changing experiences of my life have come in places where I was just relaxing with my friends.

Hopefully something, else, why all this energy? So much emotion from so many people for nothing?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26366128 - 12/07/19 12:56 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Family is a hard thing to sort out. Very complicated and anything we try to do will likely not have the effect we intended. too many moving parts. All you can really do is not make things worse and hopefully inch forward realistically.

Enjoy your pokemon.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26366129 - 12/07/19 12:56 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Hopefully nothing,
it's The Pub



Some of the most life changing experiences of my life have come in places where I was just relaxing with my friends.

Hopefully something, else, why all this energy? So much emotion from so many people for nothing?




Yeah but how many Pokémon have you caught?
not saying you can't have inspirational interactions here, personally love our Shroomerites
but personally also adhere to a mentality of not posting in the Pub expecting a serious response
the concept of the Laughing Guru, so to speak


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InvisibleJokeshopbeard
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika]
    #26366139 - 12/07/19 01:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

No expectations is a great thing.

People not being themselves is quite another, IMO.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26366153 - 12/07/19 01:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
No expectations is a great thing.

People not being themselves is quite another, IMO.




Well, my position is that of a tantric Tibetan Buddhist tradition
which postulates that all beings we encounter are working towards our enlightenment

so come at any conversation from the position that the other individual is likely more intelligent than me
and involved in some teaching taking place at that given point in my life

the Laughing Guru angle is a knowledge that gentle and comical lessons tend to teach me better
and Trickster energy is a major part of the spiritual path in my life

and respect Banana quite a bit, so appreciate engaging with him
but also willing to recognize when my ramblings may have skewed to the point of incoherence
and maybe need to also recognize the time of night when my brain deserves to be shut off and fall back into a better world

when and where do you most feel yourself?







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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika]
    #26366156 - 12/07/19 01:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
No expectations is a great thing.

People not being themselves is quite another, IMO.




Well, my position is that of a tantric Tibetan Buddhist tradition
which postulates that all beings we encounter are working towards our enlightenment

so come at any conversation from the position that the other individual is likely more intelligent than me
and involved in some teaching taking place at that given point in my life

the Laughing Guru angle is a knowledge that gentle and comical lessons tend to teach me better
and Trickster energy is a major part of the spiritual path in my life





Honest and serious question about Buddhist method; how does it protect against sociopathy and psychopathy, based on that logic?

How do you know a really, really smart and immoral person isn't manipulating your open-mindedness and receptiveness for their own nefarious needs?!

:tinfoil: :cool:


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26366161 - 12/07/19 01:46 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Loaded Shaman said:
How do you know a really, really smart and immoral person isn't manipulating your open-mindedness and receptiveness for their own nefarious needs?!



Have you ever met a committed Buddhist monk before? This is the guy I consider my Buddhist teacher in this life - not only the first man to look directly into my soul - but the wisest, most spiritual I've met by far. The most committed I've met to community; the only one that seems to me has experienced the 9th Jhana; and has come back to teach us about it:



We've spent many, many hours together. The guy on the left. Even his voice is infectious. He was originally a Danish bloke called Norman. He's pretty tatt'd up under them robes.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26366171 - 12/07/19 01:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure a legit Buddhist Monk's mind is impenetrable to BS.

My question is more in response to the average person that will most likely not accumulate that level of wisdom in a single lifetime.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26366183 - 12/07/19 02:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Loaded Shaman said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
No expectations is a great thing.

People not being themselves is quite another, IMO.




Well, my position is that of a tantric Tibetan Buddhist tradition
which postulates that all beings we encounter are working towards our enlightenment

so come at any conversation from the position that the other individual is likely more intelligent than me
and involved in some teaching taking place at that given point in my life

the Laughing Guru angle is a knowledge that gentle and comical lessons tend to teach me better
and Trickster energy is a major part of the spiritual path in my life





Honest and serious question about Buddhist method; how does it protect against sociopathy and psychopathy, based on that logic?

How do you know a really, really smart and immoral person isn't manipulating your open-mindedness and receptiveness for their own nefarious needs?!

:tinfoil: :cool:




Honestly, the most effective answer that may be in my capacity to provide for this
is that the teaching of "Upaya" is everywhere translated into English literature as "Compassion"
but is potentially more accurately expressed as "Skillful Means"

under the teaching of skillful means, very negative things may happen to you in a conventional sense
in order to get you through a difficult lesson on the path to enlightenment
being deceived may be the most expedient means for me to learn a lesson

my favourite religious text is the Life of Milarepa
who ends up going through hell and back at the hands of his drunken, yet considered to be enlightened, teacher

at a personal level, this is where my appreciation for trickster energy comes in
am still made to look the fool, but it is typically at most an affront to the most superficial levels of ego
rather than those needing to be maintained through physical sustenance


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika]
    #26366196 - 12/07/19 02:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

Loaded Shaman said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
No expectations is a great thing.

People not being themselves is quite another, IMO.




Well, my position is that of a tantric Tibetan Buddhist tradition
which postulates that all beings we encounter are working towards our enlightenment

so come at any conversation from the position that the other individual is likely more intelligent than me
and involved in some teaching taking place at that given point in my life

the Laughing Guru angle is a knowledge that gentle and comical lessons tend to teach me better
and Trickster energy is a major part of the spiritual path in my life





Honest and serious question about Buddhist method; how does it protect against sociopathy and psychopathy, based on that logic?

How do you know a really, really smart and immoral person isn't manipulating your open-mindedness and receptiveness for their own nefarious needs?!

:tinfoil: :cool:




Honestly, the most effective answer that may be in my capacity to provide for this
is that the teaching of "Upaya" is everywhere translated into English literature as "Compassion"
but is potentially more accurately expressed as "Skillful Means"

under the teaching of skillful means, very negative things may happen to you in a conventional sense
in order to get you through a difficult lesson on the path to enlightenment
being deceived may be the most expedient means for me to learn a lesson

my favourite religious text is the Life of Milarepa
who ends up going through hell and back at the hands of his drunken, yet considered to be enlightened, teacher

at a personal level, this is where my appreciation for trickster energy comes in
am still made to look the fool, but it is typically at most an affront to the most superficial levels of ego
rather than those needing to be maintained through physical sustenance




This is an awesome answer I really appreciate this insight :thumbup:.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26366205 - 12/07/19 02:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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USA has the highest 5 year cancer survival rates of any country last I checked.

and Also last i checked the USA has the highest life expectancy in the world if you remove homicide and car accidents. which dont tell you much about healthcare. they may be indicitice of other problems but not healthcare.





The way they manipulate the data in that article is ridiculous. First they assume the number of homicide and car accident deaths are not affected by the healthcare system. Sorry it doesn’t take but a second of reflection to realize that if your healthcare services suck, your ability to survive life threatening injuries is reduced. They look at cancer 5-year rates, which says nothing about the age of death. If you get cancer years earlier, that would explain longer survival rates and while still having lower life expectancy. But really they ignore the fact that most people don’t die of cancer. Far more die of kidney disease and cardiovascular diseases. Death from these diseases occur at rates 2-5 times higher than other western countries, because these are diseases that are easily managed when you have low cost access to healthcare.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26366561 - 12/07/19 09:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:
It's xmas, and I have a SEVERE santasy!





i have scared people with your santa pics all day


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: koods]
    #26366595 - 12/07/19 09:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

USA has the highest 5 year cancer survival rates of any country last I checked.

and Also last i checked the USA has the highest life expectancy in the world if you remove homicide and car accidents. which dont tell you much about healthcare. they may be indicitice of other problems but not healthcare.





The way they manipulate the data in that article is ridiculous. First they assume the number of homicide and car accident deaths are not affected by the healthcare system. Sorry it doesn’t take but a second of reflection to realize that if your healthcare services suck, your ability to survive life threatening injuries is reduced. They look at cancer 5-year rates, which says nothing about the age of death. If you get cancer years earlier, that would explain longer survival rates and while still having lower life expectancy. But really they ignore the fact that most people don’t die of cancer. Far more die of kidney disease and cardiovascular diseases. Death from these diseases occur at rates 2-5 times higher than other western countries, because these are diseases that are easily managed when you have low cost access to healthcare.




Including injury is disinegnuous. America has a higher homicide and car accident rate. Not merely a higher death rate from those things. Those things acctually happen more often than in other westeen countries like Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand and all of Western Europe.  Which makes sense. The usa has a very dense population. California has more people than my entire country which is bigger than the USA.

http://gamapserver.who.int/mapLibrary/app/searchResults.aspx

I wont cite a homicide stat because you know very well that the USA has a higher rate of homicide not merely less of a chance of citizens surviving a homicide.


What evidence do you habe that people are getting cancer earlier in the usa? the burden of proof would be on you to show that.

But I know you dont take responsibility for backing up what you say in an honest manner so I took the liberty of looking it up for you and I'm not seeing a significant difference between age groups in westwrn countries

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cancer-deaths-by-age?stackMode=relative&country=USA


Life style plays a much greater role in cardiovascular disease than cancer. As I learned in college. you can reduce your risk of cardiovascular disease with physical activity, diet,and personal choices. Obesity can directly cause cardiovascular disease due to arterial enlargement. Being sedentary, not eating properly, being obese all have a huge effect on your risk of cardiovascular disease and your risk of mortality.

And as we know the USA has a higher rate of obesity than other western countries. You cant look at conditions that are affected so much by life style and use them to blame healthcare.

You also have more black people than other western countries. Black people are at higher risk of cardiovascular disease due to heritable factors.

Ive seen evidence that Americans get cardiovascular disease more often, not that they're more likely to die from it btw. but even if that is the case. life style affects mortality.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2228rank.html


https://www.heart.org/en/health-topics/heart-attack/understand-your-risks-to-prevent-a-heart-attack

I wish the second link shows how much life style affects risk of cardiovascular disease and mirtality. I remember there being a very strong correlation in college. but we all know life style plays a much larger role than with cancer which has a high degree of both heritability and randomness involved.

It's really annoying how you bail out of our conversarion when you have nothing to say then come back and discuss a new point after I've already wrapped up in this thread.


Edited by BANANA.MAN (12/07/19 09:55 AM)


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26367170 - 12/07/19 03:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hopefully with the advent of a new day none of the mods will complain about my discussing Canadian matters with you in this thread

but as my appreciation for you clarfying your position on feeling that the loopholes are wrong
would like to just ask for some clarification on a handful of remaining points, if you do not mind

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
...
4. No, by providing for them they are violating the rights of others by taking their money at gunpoint. 

5. Its illegal to not do it. Are you really trying to claim that taxes are voluntary? The businesses arent signing onto that voluntarily. If I create a business i need to register that business and pay taxes there is no choice involved. If I do not pay taxes a police officer will try to take me into custody and if I resist I can legally be killed.
...




You mention here "taking money at gunpoint" and "I can legally be killed [for not paying taxes]"

Could you elucidate the actual situations you are referring to,
in particular, am interested in what law defines that someone unwilling to pay taxes can be killed without reprecussion
rather than, for instance, being housed, fed, and cared for at a cost to other willing tax payers

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
...
10. whats determining those prices? the market. It has to cost enough that people view it as a worthwhile investment and affordable enough for the consumer to want to buy it. and if there is a demand for cheaper housing and it is possible for the land lord there is an opening in the market that someone can take advantage of in order to gain a competitive edge. thats partly what drives down cost. competition. Its a competitive market out there. you  cant get away with charging whatever you want or else someone else can take your customers.
...




When you buy a revenue property, you typically need to calculate the revenue vs cost
you want to be buying at less than 10x the revenue the building makes
so that the rents you begin collecting from tenants are already high enough to cover the mortage payments, as well as give you pocket money
my father always aimed to buy around 7x the revenue of the buildings

do not feel someone buying a building at an overpriced tag and then panicking that they need to up everyone's rents to account for their mistake
is really a market force that deserves legal protections

but the concern here is a matter of social gentrification
do not necessarily object to physical gentrification where buildings are repaired and improved
but attempting to use social pressures to control who is or isn't allowed to associate in a community
is like setting up a gated community, but with money as the door

guess the question becomes -- are gated communities good, bad, or neutral themselves

this doesn't need an answer -- noting that it has become a point of pondering for my own self


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26367615 - 12/07/19 06:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

In the USA the 1% pays more than the bottom 90% combined. If you can point to specific examples of tax evaders then they broke the law. but you cant say in general they don't pay their fair share.


Yes, I can, and I did. Why would there be evidence when they are hiding it?


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26367676 - 12/07/19 07:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

meaculpaUIO said:
Quote:

tyrannicalrex said:
It's xmas, and I have a SEVERE santasy!





i have scared people with your santa pics all day



LOL, well as long as it brings joy....


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26367692 - 12/07/19 07:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I use your avatar selection as an environmental cue to don the santa hat. When I'm forced to adblock your avatar I know it's time to put the santa hat avatar on. Kind of like how trees will start to fruit after a strong wind.



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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26367876 - 12/07/19 09:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

LOL! Stellar!:heart::peace::mushroom2:


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26368849 - 12/08/19 11:15 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Hopefully with the advent of a new day none of the mods will complain about my discussing Canadian matters with you in this thread

but as my appreciation for you clarfying your position on feeling that the loopholes are wrong
would like to just ask for some clarification on a handful of remaining points, if you do not mind

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
...
4. No, by providing for them they are violating the rights of others by taking their money at gunpoint. 

5. Its illegal to not do it. Are you really trying to claim that taxes are voluntary? The businesses arent signing onto that voluntarily. If I create a business i need to register that business and pay taxes there is no choice involved. If I do not pay taxes a police officer will try to take me into custody and if I resist I can legally be killed.
...




You mention here "taking money at gunpoint" and "I can legally be killed [for not paying taxes]"

Could you elucidate the actual situations you are referring to,
in particular, am interested in what law defines that someone unwilling to pay taxes can be killed without reprecussion
rather than, for instance, being housed, fed, and cared for at a cost to other willing tax payers

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
...
10. whats determining those prices? the market. It has to cost enough that people view it as a worthwhile investment and affordable enough for the consumer to want to buy it. and if there is a demand for cheaper housing and it is possible for the land lord there is an opening in the market that someone can take advantage of in order to gain a competitive edge. thats partly what drives down cost. competition. Its a competitive market out there. you  cant get away with charging whatever you want or else someone else can take your customers.
...




When you buy a revenue property, you typically need to calculate the revenue vs cost
you want to be buying at less than 10x the revenue the building makes
so that the rents you begin collecting from tenants are already high enough to cover the mortage payments, as well as give you pocket money
my father always aimed to buy around 7x the revenue of the buildings

do not feel someone buying a building at an overpriced tag and then panicking that they need to up everyone's rents to account for their mistake
is really a market force that deserves legal protections

but the concern here is a matter of social gentrification
do not necessarily object to physical gentrification where buildings are repaired and improved
but attempting to use social pressures to control who is or isn't allowed to associate in a community
is like setting up a gated community, but with money as the door

guess the question becomes -- are gated communities good, bad, or neutral themselves

this doesn't need an answer -- noting that it has become a point of pondering for my own self



If I dont pay taxes, and a police officer tried to arrest me, clearly if i didnt want to pay that taxes I would resist.

If I resist the officer I can be killed.

"market source that deserves legal protecrions" makes no sense. If people are chosing what can be charged for rent thats not a market force.

I can not possibly see whats wron with gated communities.

People shoupd be able to chose who they rent to, people shoypd be ale to chose ehat they charge.

If I own the property I shouldnt have any say over how much I charge or who I rent to? then why would I own a property?

investinng in a poprterty isnt the same as getting a stable job. you arent working for set wages. its an investment and it becoems the property of whoever buys it. and wr should all be in charge of our own property. If I work specifically to meet the goal of investing in a property why shouldnt it be mine?

Not only are gated communities not bad. If you want to get rid of somehing that someone else made and paid before because you dont like it and feel exluded (even though you have no right to live in someone elses property) then I would say thats bad.

Let people live their own lives. Landlords arent coming up to you and saying "you should make other choices with the things you own and if you dont you arent being fair" you have the same right to property as them. and its great. all humans should be free to make their own choices.

When you check out at walmart do you chose the price? no because someone invested in the creation of the product and gave walmart a cut to sell it so theya are going to charge ehat they need to in order to make it worth tge whole process.

you cant say you dont feel that people need to charge so much when you arent even naming any figures. who is charging too much? what are they charging? where is their property.

you have on anaecdotal example of someone who you FEEL was charging too much.

once again if people charge too much for their customers and someone else is able to offer the same thing for less then  there will be an opening in the market and a competitive edge to be gained.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26368889 - 12/08/19 11:44 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Hopefully with the advent of a new day none of the mods will complain about my discussing Canadian matters with you in this thread

but as my appreciation for you clarfying your position on feeling that the loopholes are wrong
would like to just ask for some clarification on a handful of remaining points, if you do not mind

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
...
4. No, by providing for them they are violating the rights of others by taking their money at gunpoint. 

5. Its illegal to not do it. Are you really trying to claim that taxes are voluntary? The businesses arent signing onto that voluntarily. If I create a business i need to register that business and pay taxes there is no choice involved. If I do not pay taxes a police officer will try to take me into custody and if I resist I can legally be killed.
...




You mention here "taking money at gunpoint" and "I can legally be killed [for not paying taxes]"

Could you elucidate the actual situations you are referring to,
in particular, am interested in what law defines that someone unwilling to pay taxes can be killed without reprecussion
rather than, for instance, being housed, fed, and cared for at a cost to other willing tax payers

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
...
10. whats determining those prices? the market. It has to cost enough that people view it as a worthwhile investment and affordable enough for the consumer to want to buy it. and if there is a demand for cheaper housing and it is possible for the land lord there is an opening in the market that someone can take advantage of in order to gain a competitive edge. thats partly what drives down cost. competition. Its a competitive market out there. you  cant get away with charging whatever you want or else someone else can take your customers.
...




When you buy a revenue property, you typically need to calculate the revenue vs cost
you want to be buying at less than 10x the revenue the building makes
so that the rents you begin collecting from tenants are already high enough to cover the mortage payments, as well as give you pocket money
my father always aimed to buy around 7x the revenue of the buildings

do not feel someone buying a building at an overpriced tag and then panicking that they need to up everyone's rents to account for their mistake
is really a market force that deserves legal protections

but the concern here is a matter of social gentrification
do not necessarily object to physical gentrification where buildings are repaired and improved
but attempting to use social pressures to control who is or isn't allowed to associate in a community
is like setting up a gated community, but with money as the door

guess the question becomes -- are gated communities good, bad, or neutral themselves

this doesn't need an answer -- noting that it has become a point of pondering for my own self



If I dont pay taxes, and a police officer tried to arrest me, clearly if i didnt want to pay that taxes I would resist.

If I resist the officer I can be killed.
...




Being killed for resisting arrest is a different crime than being taken into custody for not paying taxes

so you are really complaining that if you choose to use lethal force against another citizen, you can have lethal force used against you

do you wish to promote delinquent forces in our society who feel it is appropriate to use lethal force against law-abiding citizens?

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BANANA.MAN said:
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you cant say you dont feel that people need to charge so much when you arent even naming any figures. who is charging too much? what are they charging? where is their property.

you have on anaecdotal example of someone who you FEEL was charging too much.

once again if people charge too much for their customers and someone else is able to offer the same thing for less then  there will be an opening in the market and a competitive edge to be gained.




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Rent Increase

    In Quebec, at the time of the renewal of the lease, a landlord is free to ask a rent increase that he deems just and reasonable in his notice that he remits to his tenant. The tenant has the right to accept or to refuse that increase within one month following the receipt of the landlord’s notice.

In order to help the parties in reaching an agreement on the rent increase, the Régie puts at their disposal a tool of calculation of the rent increase which is done by using the rules established in the Regulation respecting the criteria for fixing of rent that is in force at the Régie du logement. The landlord enters the data pertaining to his building, then submits the results to his tenant in order that both reach an agreement on the rent increase. Please refer to section Calculation for the Fixing of Rent.

In the case when both parties cannot reach an agreement on the rent increase (or on any modification of the lease), the landlord will have to file an Application to Modify the Lease at the Régie du logement, within the month following the answer of refusal by the tenant.

When that application will be filed, the Régie will remit to the landlord the form Necessary information regarding the fixing of rent. The landlord will have to enter in it the revenue and expenses of the building by taking into account the given dates. Later on, the Régie will send a notice of hearing to both parties and the landlord will have to have on hand all the necessary vouchers (invoices, bills, etc.).

Please note that there are important time limits to respect. Take a look at section Changing a Condition of the Lease.




https://www.rdl.gouv.qc.ca/en/renewal-of-the-lease-and-fixing-of-rent/rent-increase

again, as mentioned previously, a landlord that buys a building and increases the rents at a rate relative to the amount of work actually put in
is totally in the right, in my view


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