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OfflineKorean Jesus
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How much mushrooms to ego death?
    #26367607 - 12/07/19 08:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I did 5g and I didn't even get close. How much would one have to take to have absolutely no perception of self?


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26367644 - 12/07/19 08:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Depends on the potency and you. I'd say get a bag of gold caps and start munching till you get there if that's what you are looking for


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26367649 - 12/07/19 08:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I did 5g and I didn't even get close. How much would one have to take to have absolutely no perception of self?





5g+ does it for most people. 5g+ of average potency mushrooms will have most folks pretty well "dissolved" .


It is possible that your mushrooms are relatively weak and/or you have a high "natural tolerance" to psychedelics and you require much larger doses than most people.





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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: openmind]
    #26367662 - 12/07/19 09:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Nobody can tell you this. I know people that go to the post office on 5g.


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: openmind] * 1
    #26367666 - 12/07/19 09:02 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

IMO, set and setting have a large impact on achieving a non dual state.

I personally can't have much of anything going on around me, no music or lights or people for gods sakes. Usually happens in near darkness or with eyes closed with heavy intention of introspection until there's no more self to examine.


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: HamHead]
    #26367745 - 12/07/19 09:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Very true. Even on smaller doses I am able to get pretty lost if there's no distractions. 

But I will always listen to music while I trip. Never will go without music


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: openmind]
    #26367766 - 12/07/19 09:51 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Korean Jesus said:
I did 5g and I didn't even get close. How much would one have to take to have absolutely no perception of self?





5g+ does it for most people. 5g+ of average potency mushrooms will have most folks pretty well "dissolved" .


It is possible that your mushrooms are relatively weak and/or you have a high "natural tolerance" to psychedelics and you require much larger doses than most people.





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It was very intense for me so I don't think this is the case. I saw many things like my life playing out before my eyes, but I always recognized I was me.


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: HamHead]
    #26367787 - 12/07/19 10:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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HamHead said:
IMO, set and setting have a large impact on achieving a non dual state.

I personally can't have much of anything going on around me, no music or lights or people for gods sakes. Usually happens in near darkness or with eyes closed with heavy intention of introspection until there's so more self to examine.






:werd:  And this, totally.^



Set & setting can go a long way in taking one to that point .

Certain settings can be an "anchor" while others can be much more conducive to reaching such a state.

I mean I don't have much doubt that there is a certain point in the dosage for everyone where they will be laid out and wiped out regardless of where their body is at or what's going on around them...but set & setting & intention can do a lot for catalyzing such a thing with a relatively lower dose.





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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: openmind]
    #26367826 - 12/07/19 10:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I read your 5g trip report. You have weak shrooms, I get similar trips like yours on like 2g. It gets much more intense than that, trust me.

Right now I have not so good cubes, but I worked with very potent ones and I needed like 4-5g for ego death (not ego dissolve but full ego death!). Yeah, I've experienced it. The real thing


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: openmind]
    #26367901 - 12/07/19 11:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

You're way of quickly delivering the actives can play role as well.
I am sure many will agree that you want those tryptamines taking over ASAP within the first hour if you want to actually go somewhere with cubes without beating around the substrate.

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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: grati]
    #26368270 - 12/08/19 05:15 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I briefly got an ego death on Friday night from 3.7g dry Psilocybe cubensis B+!

Getting really different trips from the same dose same batch same settings; in the house alone with my two dogs. The trips are at two week intervals. This last one I knew was really surprisingly strong for 3.7g by 30 minutes in. Standing at the back door, the dark sky was covered in fractals, the houses were bright colourful and misshapen. And the clouds morphed into a Michelin Man type creature with a mouthful of razor teeth that then leans down and starts eating the sky and houses. I had to go inside and get my blanket.

The next hour I was keeping myself composed and discussing internally to let myself go. As soon as I did, I was no longer in the living room; I was floating in the darkness of eternity realising I exist simply as consciousness.

But then a couple of years back I took 8g dry Golden Teachers and did not get anywhere near ego death, though with hindsight I was resisting!

Just my personal thoughts trip team!

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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26374845 - 12/11/19 01:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Honest answer, I got there with a specific combination:

1. 5 grams of strong mushrooms blended with lemon juice and left for 15 minutes before consumption
2. Smoking a very strong bowl of high quality cannabis about 20-30 minutes in when visuals were starting.
3. A very specific ritual of lying on my bed in the dark and meditating while the effects took hold.

Also, very important: fast on the day, meditate daily for 1 week before, abstain from sex if you can, eat vegan if you can, and drink plenty of water. Preparing the body is as important as preparing the mind, and you will go as deep as the universe will allow. The final point is that there is *always* a decision in every trip to go through the doorway or not, and the decision involves letting go of yourself and everything you think you know, and letting it take hold and take you away to the place of no-self. This is how you get there.


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: growbit]
    #26374989 - 12/11/19 02:25 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

OP, the more I read your posts the more do I believe that smoking DMT is what you want.
DMT is closely related to mushrooms, psilocin is 4-ho-dmt.
But unlike mushrooms, DMT can be smoked for an instant rush. Smoked dmt can get you far far out, way deeper than mushrooms are capable of.
The smoked trip lasts only 15 to 20min or so, but it doesn't build up a tolerance so you can trip everyday or multiple times a day.

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DMT can be extracted from legal plants easily. It's a few days of work only. Basically mixing three ingredients with water, suck up the upper layer the next day, let freeze overnight, done.
This way a gram is like 5 to 8 bucks, and as a full trip is less then 50 mg only, a single gram of dmt is like 20 to 50 trips.

With shrooms it's hard to say how much you need to get ego death. Forcing ego death usually leads to a rough time. Let things happen, if it happens then it happens.
I once ate 14g of shrooms in one session, and got pretty far out. Ego death, I don't know. I was no longer in my physical body, but I was still me.
On smoked dmt, with ~100mg in one big hit, I was completly ripped appart. Didn't know who I was, where I was, what beeing is, what time is, life made no sense, I made no sense..
Comming back to my body and realizing that I am me was very strange.
That was ego death for sure.
I oly experienced this confusing state of mind on smoked dmt so far.

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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26375059 - 12/11/19 03:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

man I am such a little bitch, 3.5 completely fucks my world (ego death layin' on my? futon)


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26375074 - 12/11/19 03:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Korean Jesus said:
I did 5g and I didn't even get close. How much would one have to take to have absolutely no perception of self?





Such a noob question. So sick of the term ego death. Its way too broad of a thing to be defined. Theres degrees of ego death. I wish that term would just die.


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26375137 - 12/11/19 03:54 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Seconded.

You don't go on your first bike ride and say, 'well, non-bike-ride me is dead now.'

Just because it's common to feel like you've dissipated, it's quite inane to consider that anything close to dying or losing a part of yourself.
In fact, like your new bike skills, you come out the other side having gained something.

But to address the OP - like almost everything else pertaining to a complex biotic individual, bio-individuality will present unique set of factors. Asking 'how much' will only ever reveal inconsistencies that further lead you astray.
Just take shit and see where it goes - if it doesn't go as far as you wanted it to, take more of that shit.


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: footpath]
    #26375305 - 12/11/19 05:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It's hard to induce. Possible but not easy.

  5g will do it for me usually. Unless the mushrooms are lacking. It's unmistakable when it does. Like they said, silent darkness helps, weed can help if your into that.

Lol it shouldn't be a goal, if you get there you'll see how meaningless the pursuit was. It's a natural thing that occurs when messing around with psychedelics.


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26375336 - 12/11/19 05:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: HamHead]
    #26375342 - 12/11/19 05:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
IMO, set and setting have a large impact on achieving a non dual state.

I personally can't have much of anything going on around me, no music or lights or people for gods sakes. Usually happens in near darkness or with eyes closed with heavy intention of introspection until there's no more self to examine.



:whathesaid:

When you look in with no distractions of any kind, your mind can go to amazing places, and conjure amazing things.


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Re: How much mushrooms to ego death? [Re: footpath]
    #26375587 - 12/11/19 07:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Seconded.

You don't go on your first bike ride and say, 'well, non-bike-ride me is dead now.'

Just because it's common to feel like you've dissipated, it's quite inane to consider that anything close to dying or losing a part of yourself.
In fact, like your new bike skills, you come out the other side having gained something.

But to address the OP - like almost everything else pertaining to a complex biotic individual, bio-individuality will present unique set of factors. Asking 'how much' will only ever reveal inconsistencies that further lead you astray.
Just take shit and see where it goes - if it doesn't go as far as you wanted it to, take more of that shit.





Awesome post.

I guess what i am trying to say, is that there is no "ego-death" built into psychedelics. its not like you can have "Ego death" on 4 grams then everytime you take 4 grams you have "ego death." to keep the the example on bike riding...its not like theres a bunny hop in the psych experience that you can actually do and accomplish. Someone else's bunny hop is another mans wheely. feeling a loss of sense of self can happen on any dose and then it may not even happen on smoked dmt. what psychs teach you is that there is no ego in the end...so how can something die if it never existed? when i hear "Ego death" i immediately think  :underage:


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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