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Demonic attacks
    #26366576 - 12/07/19 09:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Good day to you all...

      I am looking for information and those who may have experience dealing with demonic attacks.

          Lately I have been periodically waking up with strange, mark-like scratches on my right arm or occasionally on my chest.  These markings seem to potentially resemble hebrew symbols or letters tho I don't know what...

          I live alone, and have no pets that could be scratching me, hell I barely have enough fingernails to create the scratches myself...

          Some research on this subject suggests to me that some demonic entity is "Marking" me for some form of extermination... some things I am reading suggest I've been marked for "removal" and the demons won't stop until they have accomplished this.

          I am looking for others that may have experience in spiritual warfare of this sort or experience in dealing with demons......


            Thanks for your time, and I insist this is a genuine, truthful post... I  believe in spirits, demons... I've seen then, what I don't know or understand is WHY they are marking me.

              Can anyone help shed a bit of light on this topic please?


          Thanks again.... TFG


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Threads from God89] * 1
    #26366634 - 12/07/19 10:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

They want a snack. Bar the door by writing the ten commandments on your doorpost. The more elaborate you make the writing, the better. If you lose friends, that's a small price to pay for not being a snack. Good luck and godspeed


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Hartford]
    #26366775 - 12/07/19 11:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It may not be a demon... possibly a poltergeist.  German for "loud spirit" ...

      Seems they are responsible for physical scratches..  I don't know what for sure I'm dealing with...


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Threads from God89] * 1
    #26368227 - 12/08/19 02:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hold intense emotional states anchored in love, acceptance, non-fear. They can't deal with it it's like answering in a math equation to a kindergartener. They'll turn around and go play with something else. Do not feed fear energy that is their gasoline. They scare you, feed, scare you, feed more, repeat. Break the feedback loop with intense conscious intentions of LOVE.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26368258 - 12/08/19 02:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Red-suited angels. The dark side of life is there to test us and provide resistance training for our upward ascent. No doubt, the conscious experience of being a demon is likely vitriolic, nasty, diabolical, but they are still beholden to universal law.

This is not to glamorize any of it. Some facets of life are truly ugly. Evil is real, as are dark forces. These forces are generally referred to as the “negative glamour.” They are forces of adversarial chaos and mislead and deceive. The rabbit hole of deception is infinite in its own right.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26368298 - 12/08/19 04:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Hold intense emotional states anchored in love, acceptance, non-fear. They can't deal with it it's like answering in a math equation to a kindergartener. They'll turn around and go play with something else. Do not feed fear energy that is their gasoline. They scare you, feed, scare you, feed more, repeat. Break the feedback loop with intense conscious intentions of LOVE.



This certainly works. I was walking home one night and someone started behaving very weirdly and started cursing and getting angry at me so I said "God bless you" and he immediately went on his way. It was so peculiar.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: kneesocks] * 1
    #26368304 - 12/08/19 04:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Hold intense emotional states anchored in love, acceptance, non-fear. They can't deal with it it's like answering in a math equation to a kindergartener. They'll turn around and go play with something else. Do not feed fear energy that is their gasoline. They scare you, feed, scare you, feed more, repeat. Break the feedback loop with intense conscious intentions of LOVE.



This certainly works. I was walking home one night and someone started behaving very weirdly and started cursing and getting angry at me so I said "God bless you" and he immediately went on his way. It was so peculiar.




I think this is the "true" meaning of the words you just said; a return to "light energy", which "repels darkness".

Isn't that the lore behind saying that when someone sneezes? Something about that creating a "second" where "evil can take you over"!

There's much truth to that stuff IMHO.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Threads from God89]
    #26368484 - 12/08/19 08:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Threads from God89 said:
Good day to you all...

      I am looking for information and those who may have experience dealing with demonic attacks.

          Lately I have been periodically waking up with strange, mark-like scratches on my right arm or occasionally on my chest.  These markings seem to potentially resemble hebrew symbols or letters tho I don't know what...

          I live alone, and have no pets that could be scratching me, hell I barely have enough fingernails to create the scratches myself...

          Some research on this subject suggests to me that some demonic entity is "Marking" me for some form of extermination... some things I am reading suggest I've been marked for "removal" and the demons won't stop until they have accomplished this.

          I am looking for others that may have experience in spiritual warfare of this sort or experience in dealing with demons......


            Thanks for your time, and I insist this is a genuine, truthful post... I  believe in spirits, demons... I've seen then, what I don't know or understand is WHY they are marking me.

              Can anyone help shed a bit of light on this topic please?


          Thanks again.... TFG



I'd talk to a mental health care provider if I were you.
Demons don't exist besides in your mind.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26368700 - 12/08/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Threads from God89 said:
Good day to you all...

      I am looking for information and those who may have experience dealing with demonic attacks.

          Lately I have been periodically waking up with strange, mark-like scratches on my right arm or occasionally on my chest.  These markings seem to potentially resemble hebrew symbols or letters tho I don't know what...

          I live alone, and have no pets that could be scratching me, hell I barely have enough fingernails to create the scratches myself...

          Some research on this subject suggests to me that some demonic entity is "Marking" me for some form of extermination... some things I am reading suggest I've been marked for "removal" and the demons won't stop until they have accomplished this.

          I am looking for others that may have experience in spiritual warfare of this sort or experience in dealing with demons......


            Thanks for your time, and I insist this is a genuine, truthful post... I  believe in spirits, demons... I've seen then, what I don't know or understand is WHY they are marking me.

              Can anyone help shed a bit of light on this topic please?


          Thanks again.... TFG



I'd talk to a mental health care provider if I were you.
Demons don't exist besides in your mind.




The Great bodhisatta speaks on this subject.  Sir, I respect and appreciate your knowledge on this site.  You are a respected elder here....

        Demons are real, something is marking me... and if I "only need mental health help" than that must mean that these other people that believe are just "mental" too eh bodhi?

        More likely there has been an instance that has made you absolutely deny any potential malevolent forces out of fear and pretentiousness.... 🤔. 

    You are the Sun to my Moon Bodhi, for that I am appreciative... Duality is beautiful...


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Threads from God89]
    #26368759 - 12/08/19 10:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Play it loud so the whole house can hear it:





You may loop it softly through the night on your PC in the other room too.

You don't have to hear it, it'll find its way.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Asante]
    #26368804 - 12/08/19 10:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Asante said:
Play it loud so the whole house can hear it:





You may loop it softly through the night on your PC in the other room too.

You don't have to hear it, it'll find its way.




How can we trust the source knowledge of such incantations... what is the source?  How do we know by inciting such things that it won't have the opposite desired effect...? 

        The trusted ammo for me is the light of God... The blood of Jesus, the blood of the lamb.... I bind any evil spirits, demons or poltergeist in THE NAME OF JESUS!!!

          The darkness has no power, it must dissolve.... I have felt both ends of the spectrum... I have felt some of the darkest entities that walk this earth, I've seen some of their faces, felt their hatred.... I have also felt the Light.... Seen it, felt it, been enveloped, and Cannot Deny its ultimate power...

            There is no stronger force than the light of the Creator... White Hot, purifying Fire... the light and Fire of God is a force no evil can overcome Brothers!! Some will call us Crazy, that's okay.. 😉

          We will be tested, our metal put to the trial... how could it be any other way? 

            We are to be Lions!!! :heart:


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Threads from God89] * 1
    #26368942 - 12/08/19 12:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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How can we trust the source knowledge of such incantations... what is the source?




the Spirit of Salvia taught me that in reverse, and explained how it invokes good, and if you inverse it, it will banish evil.

Evil is Good twisted 180', so if you take something good and reverse it, Evil is attracted by its twist but then repelled by its Goodness.

What I actually sang is what I was taught, this:




That is my natural voice. That is the mantra I was taught and sang.

But when you reverse it, the backmasked message "WE SEE A DEVIL" comes out that was in my natural voice.

No fancy backmasking done, just download it and reverse it yourself, something thats good is good in both directions, and something evil, reversed, is evil, more so.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Threads from God89] * 2
    #26369659 - 12/08/19 06:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Get "The Practical Psychic Self-Defense Handbook. A Survival Guide" by Robert Bruce. Learn how to do the LBRP (check Modern Magick by Donald M. Kraig). Start to write whatever you can remember from your dreams (as soon as you wake up), so you can gain more insight of whatever happens to you at night. Maybe it has nothing to do with demons at all explore all options. Film yourself sleeping if possible. Hope it helps. Good luck.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26369826 - 12/08/19 09:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Demons don't exist besides in your mind.




And the mind is connected to the body, where the scratches are.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: SeekerOfSomething]
    #26369865 - 12/08/19 09:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Get "The Practical Psychic Self-Defense Handbook. A Survival Guide" by Robert Bruce. Learn how to do the LBRP (check Modern Magick by Donald M. Kraig). Start to write whatever you can remember from your dreams (as soon as you wake up), so you can gain more insight of whatever happens to you at night. Maybe it has nothing to do with demons at all explore all options. Film yourself sleeping if possible. Hope it helps. Good luck.




Reading this now....

    I am Loved and I am WORTHY.
    I am Safe and I am Free...
    I AM Powerfully Protected...

    I AM Master of my Body and Ruler of my mind....

        I AM reading this bit of literature, Thank You for the recommendation "Seeker of Something"... with your 3 posts.... stick around friend, light bearer.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26370106 - 12/09/19 02:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Demons don't exist besides in your mind.




And the mind is connected to the body, where the scratches are.




This is solid.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26370996 - 12/09/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Archetypal evil is real. In the realm of the human mind and consciousness the distinction between inner and outer don’t matter. One can be completely agnostic on this or even deny it but it still exists in them. People who’re otherwise psychologically “normal” (culturally sanctioned daily problem-solving consciousness) who’ve seen this stuff first hand know it’s real. No need or interest in convincing anyone. Denying its existence is actually a profound luxury arguably best preserved.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: CountHTML]
    #26371310 - 12/09/19 04:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Demons do exist as archetypes, which means that they don't exist as distinct entities so much but as a force that acts upon the mind. I think it's possible they exist as distinct entities in other realms, but you won't see them here.
Unless, of course, you open your third eye.

I met this guy with powerful abilities and one of these abilities was his ability to morph his appearance. I saw him turn into an enlightened monk, some weird animal looking beings, and a demon.

I'll tell you about his demon transformation. We were hanging out at his apartment and he was teaching me about something, I can't recall what it was now, but first he transformed into the enlightened monk persona and it was quite blissful and impressive. There seemed to be a golden like aura emanating from him. Then, unexpectedly, a terror began to grow in me as his eyes went completely black, his face went totally pale and veiny. It looked really close to what the girl in the exorcist movie looked like once she was possessed. His face went all rigid and then a shadowy force started to come from his face towards me and I felt the most acute terror. I was about to scream when he stopped the transformation and he patted me on the knee and said "It's okay!" He then explained to me that my third eye had projected this image on to him.

I can't honestly say how it works. I never asked him to explain it. Although there was a vibe that I would have to face this demon eventually, and that perhaps it was a part of my unconscious mind. Looking back, I should have asked him more questions while I knew him but I was naive and just accepted all of it at face value. Life is very mysterious.

A lot of people experience demons in their dreams and sleep paralysis as well. Although technically dreams take place in our minds, I can say that the presence of evil you can meet in dreams is very real.

My first encounter was with the devil himself who sent me a text within a dream telling me that he could get to me outside the dream. Then the demons tried to convince me that I had signed some kind of contract without reading the fine print and that I belonged to them now. I had a dream in which I felt that I had just entered the after-life and got a phone call from an unknown number. I answered the phone and there was a guy who sounded like a customer service representative asking "Is this (EternalCowabunga)?" I said "This is he" and he then asked me if I remember doing this or that, and basically that I wasn't going to heaven... Then when I was experiencing a psychotic episode, the demons showed up in my dreams physically - except, they weren't red goat like creatures, they had taken the appearance of my family members, but their eyes - their eyes were filled with pure evil. They were the deliverers of taboo. They loved chaos and perverting the sacred. The one that took on the body of my dad was pretending to be my dad and suggested I get naked with him while the mom demon just loved pretending to be my mom, she loved that I was disturbed - and I think she thought it was funny that I loved. My brother was also a demon but he was subject to the cruelty of the other demons - they had sewed his eyes and mouth shut so he could not speak. My dog was also sewed up.

I don't know why they are marking you. Maybe because they can. You win by telling them to fuck off. You have faith that they can't actually eliminate you - just keep telling them to fuck off, don't believe their bullshit. Don't give attention to their dimension - stay here, stay in this place. They are 99% useless in this reality unless we give them power.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #26374300 - 12/11/19 01:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You could argue other people, objects, and motion in general is an archetype of each and every individual observer. Where is that line between your consciousness creating and you hallucinating on secondary archetypes which have no actual efficacy for said source consciousness projecting it in the first place?

As all things are ultimately an extension of your conscious self, this is not an easy nor straightforward question.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 3
    #26374986 - 12/11/19 12:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

When demons come to "attack" is when we begin to wake up to the deeper unconscious parts of our self. There is no victim in this reality, you are unconsciously running from an aspect of your being which is manifesting as the "demon" if we are viewing from the perspective as everything is happening for us, not to us. Demons come to teach valuable lessons, which may not be fully grasped for some time, they are teachers and demand respect if that wasn't already obvious enough. One of their strongest "tools" for teaching is Fear.

This isn't meant to create fear just truth, the scratches are real, and I have experienced them myself, blood and markings on walls, to the point of apparently another individual was sending demons to attack me and they would manifest as shadowy forms, even other people could detect so I knew they were not my own hallucinations. People that were "out to get me" would message me saying how powerful they became after I experienced the attacks at night - it was truly terrifying until I realized it was all a lesson through my own fears. It gets blurry when you get into the archonic deception and spiritual gangstalking aspect, as it all kind of blends together, everything becomes a teacher if it wasn't already as you move through those unconscious emotions its bringing to the surface.

I spent months running in existential terror and fear after these incidents, and how you can really not come to any true closure, it racked my mind to no end, nightmares, having to be scared to go to sleep to face this thing in my dreams every night. Choose wisely what you feed, and don't forget to feed your demons the love they deserve :smile:

Think of them like insects of another dimension. Mosquitoes piercing your aura through the veil, to instill fear and chaos, creating their own vortex of a snack they can slurp right up. Get that bug repellent


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26376384 - 12/12/19 01:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Preaching to the choir, bro. I always ask Socratic questions to get other members thinking. You're correct here. I'll have to PM you a site I also write for that I don't want shroomery to fucking dox me on dealing with ALL of this shit, lol.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Threads from God89] * 2
    #26390714 - 12/19/19 01:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Methinks looking for the most likely natural causes for phenomena is the reasonable course of action. This is called the Law of Parsimony. "This law states that the most simple of two competing theories should be the preferred one." I've also wanted to jump to paranormal explanations. When I moved into my house I could hear tapping, bumping sounds from the upper corner of one of my book shelves. At that time books on death and thanatology were stuck up at the top corner. My mind contrived a poltergeist! We even showed this to my wife's step-mom visiting from Germany (she is a fundamentalist Christian). It turned out that the sounds were caused by water pipes, which in Florida homes without basements are run through the attic. D'OH!  :facepalm:

It would make more sense to set up a nanny-cam that operates in the dark than to assume questionable demonic entities are singling YOU out for "extermination." I mean, think about this. So-called demonic infestations, oppression, obsession, and especially possession are exceedingly rare phenomena. Many or most of the time multiple personality (D.I.D), fugue states, and thought disorders account for seemingly inexplicable phenomena. So can heightened imagination, expectation, and wish-fulfillment. :shrug: Get some Neosporin® on those scratches. Take some selfies and see if anyone knowledgeable of Hebrew, Arabic, or Aramaic can discern actual letters. My cat frapped the top of my hand a few days ago but I didn't see any scratches. Today I see 4 tiny scratches in the configuration of a cat paw. Sometimes scratches take time to manifest and maybe you got your's during daylight hours. Assume a logical/clinical/scientific stance in mysterious matters before you wax paranormal. :yesnod:


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26391544 - 12/19/19 09:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey.... Thanks you guys.

      I have taken to praying, meditating.... reading some material that was suggested to me... burning Dragons Blood incense and Sage...

        Pleading the blood of Jesus over myself, my house.  I have not had anymore scratches, nor have I heard anymore "foorsteps" like someone briskly walking down my hall...


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26391776 - 12/20/19 01:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Great post. Markos (as always). Parsimony is essentially Occam's Razor if I understand correctly; don;t multiply theories/assumptions complexity until it's warranted...I.E. the simplest, most logical explanation is most certainly said explanation.

Here's my non-PC question; how do you know half the people who claim they see shit, understand what they're seeing? Yes, people are stupid and misperceive shit all the time, then play off of their own reaction and convince them they saw something, etc.

THE absolute best case of some woman trying to play the public with this, is with the video LC posted in the UFO/Alien thread of a woman supposedly capturing an "alien" in her driveway. It's clearly her son, with a t-shirt wrapped around his head. Even when they confront them and have him mock the video, and it's obviously him trying hard not to get caught looking like the video, lo and behold people in the comments will insist this is an alien in this lady's driveway, lol.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26392392 - 12/20/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I am hesitant to call people stupid because while I am not a stupid man I do stupid shit all the time. I cited the poltergeist mistake as one example. Another time when my wife an I were rolling and making love we both began to develop burning heat in our genitals and thought that maybe we were having a Tantric Kundalini arousal. No, we had had been in the '69' position earlier and had been simultaneously sucking on cinnamon candy because, well, we were on MDMA. The cinnamon was burning our pubes! :rofl:

So, if I make wild assumptions at times I know that others do as well. But I do not remain fixated on ideas because (1) I understand the illusory nature of thought, and (2) I do not have a thought disorder which results in such fixations including fixations on paranoid delusions. I can apply Occam's Razor because in the absence of paranoia (which is Janus-faced being both persecutory and grandiose at the same time), I do not think that 'I' have been singled out by a demon, for example, in some anti-complimentary yet singularly important way. In a conversation with gnrm23 on another site, he just asked rhetorically, "why are non-believers so seldom possessed by demons ???????" In the West mental hospitals frequently saw Jesus Christ delusionals, not Buddha or Krishna or some obscure avatar delusions.

I am not denying the possibility of demonic assault, but even among 'believers' in a Christian context, this is a relatively rare occurrence. The Vatican needs to give the go-ahead for a Catholic priest anywhere in the world to perform the Rite of Exorcism and certain criteria need to be in place before it is sanctioned. Among Protestant Evangelicals, the Christian Right supports a man who is anti-Christ (not necessarily THE Anti-Christ) through-and-through! D.J. Trump is 'demonic' in the sheer frequency of documented lies (over 12,000 at last count). I have not lied a fraction of that number in my 66 years! Trump epitomizes the Seven Cardinal Sins and yet the Christian Right supports him! Snake-handling Ozark churches have seen lots of members die from snake bites yet these churches continue in their bizarre (if not fetishistic) take on Christianity. The list of examples of false-interpretations of people are endless.

I do not trust the interpretations of phenomena to other individuals anywhere as much as my own focused perception-interpretation. I routinely hear from hypnotherapy clients what they think their problem is based on. They are incorrect most of the time and surprised to discover the actual point of origin of their symptoms. I worked with a school teacher who was a fundamentalist, literal 'Christian' and because the Book of Revelations says that the stars will fall to the earth in verse 6:13, he had to adjust his acceptance of scientifically adduced Reality to consider that the stars, including the Sun were much smaller. He said, 'maybe the Sun is the size of a basketball and God puts some kind of force-field around the Sun to make it LOOK larger.' I suggested that the root word *aster* in the New Testament documents might well be describing asteroids, which could very realistically be a way that 'stars' could end life on earth (discounting the eventuality of our Sun going nova). He was so rigid in his interpretation that reason could not balance 'belief.' He was delusional IMO and remain so today as far as I know - a high school teacher of kids in Miami-Dade County Public Schools. This is the type of fixity of 'belief' that delusional people demonstrate.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26393387 - 12/21/19 01:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Right on, Markos! I'm about to trip HARD so we'll see if I can get this out correctly before it all kicks LOL.

First, it blows my mind you've been here for 20 years! That's epic AF! Serious commitment to the community, and I'm sure you've grown leaps and bounds as a person in the last 20 years. I can't even imagine finding this place in 1999 LOL :cool:.

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I do not trust the interpretations of phenomena to other individuals anywhere as much as my own focused perception-interpretation. I routinely hear from hypnotherapy clients what they think their problem is based on. They are incorrect most of the time and surprised to discover the actual point of origin of their symptoms. I worked with a school teacher who was a fundamentalist, literal 'Christian' and because the Book of revelations says that the stars will fall to the earth in verse 6:13, he had to adjust his acceptance of scientifically adduced Reality to consider that the stars, including the Sun were much smaller. He said, 'maybe the Sun is the size of a basketball and God puts some kind of force-field around the Sun to make it LOOK larger.' I suggested that the root word *aster* in the New Testament documents might well be describing asteroids, which could very realistically be a way that 'stars' could end life on earth (discounting the eventuality of our Sun going nova). He was so rigid in his interpretation that reason could not balance 'belief.' He was delusional IMO and remain so today as far as I know - a high school teacher of kids in Miami-Dade County Public Schools. This is the type of fixity of 'belief' that delusional people demonstrate.




I couldn't agree with this more, Markos. Delusional people en masse are the most dangerous pack of animals. Undue pride, smugness, and hubris result. Ever notice the smug are almost always wrong? Their "intelligence" is rooted in contempt they think they hold for others, but it's actually themselves they battle.

We're in the exact same boat, brother. I'm a professional consultant regarding Kinesiology/PT/rehab,/recovery in general. The amount of people who attempt to attribute basic shit to something they "read" about or heard someone in the office propagandizing something THEY read, then misinterpret, then spread with confidence like it's a fact...

...Yes, that's the bullshit we all have to combat, let alone navigate!

It's like a giant game of adult bullshit telephone, where ego is reinforced because the only thing people hate more than being wrong is admitting they were wrong...

..Especially if it was due to their own intelligence by misperceiving something, lol. Politics is another perfect example. Everything is shoe horned, like your Christian example above. Neatly packaged paradigmatical answers, Markos! Stop looking that God's forcefield around the sun, you'll burn your eyes out! :cool:


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26393391 - 12/21/19 01:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'll even be the cynical douche bag here; Tammy and Timmy with their TV-programmed cosmology of the universe are the LAST people who'll get a raw, unfiltered glimpse of any sort of higher energy, source, power, etc, lol.

It's like thinking a kid who barely grasps addition and subtraction will understand the logic of calculus, let alone how what they minimally understand is a subset of that, and you can only derive subsets from supersets, not the other way around.

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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26393408 - 12/21/19 01:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have grown 20 years older, that is for sure and for certain. But like Ram Dass, my neuroses are still there, like concomitants to my Meso-Ectomorphic and Cerebrotonic temperaments. :shrug: Meanwhile, it's 3:53 a.m. EST here and not a time I'd launch myself off on a trip, but whatever time it is where you are, Happy Trails!



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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26394873 - 12/22/19 01:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Trip hard be safe Markos, I just came back from my solstice trip myself! :cool:


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Threads from God89]
    #26400069 - 12/25/19 05:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I had this or so I thought once as a kid.  I was examining a lot of books about ghosts and spirits when a student at a Catholic school.

I think it's an openness to aggression.  By meditating and allowing higher thought forms one can see angels and stuff like that.  It's really all one imagination, it's the analytical that tries to separate to make sense.

There are surely subtle realities and they can be quite engrossing.  I still wake up with scratches but no weird shit going down.  I think sometimes we do things in our sleep.  Such as wake up with our boner in our hand.


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    #26401078 - 12/26/19 12:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The paradox is that the higher our supernatural abilities are, the lower our natural resistance to supernatural phenomena are.


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    #26401132 - 12/26/19 03:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The paradox is that the higher our supernatural abilities are, the lower our natural resistance to supernatural phenomena are.




Hmmm, can you elaborate a bit more on what you mean here?


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    #26401139 - 12/26/19 03:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

To me it seems as if people who believe in spellwork, magic and supernatural things  are also more affected by them (less resistant to). Ordinary people don't seem to have to worry about things they don't believe in.


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    #26401156 - 12/26/19 03:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ah ok I got you! I agree with that statement. I was thinking the exact same thing about another user's post in an unrelated thread. The line between genuine paranormal phenomena and schizophrenia is very thin IMHO.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: kneesocks]
    #26401175 - 12/26/19 04:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The paradox is that the higher our supernatural abilities are, the lower our natural resistance to supernatural phenomena are.



I read that as lower critical thinking equals rationalizing explanations with the supernatural more often


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26401250 - 12/26/19 07:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There's a point where the analytical mind does not see.  It's a real bitch that way.

Psychedelics can completely trash the analytical.  So can dreams and brainwashing.  Waking up not sure if a nightmare has value or not.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #26401372 - 12/26/19 09:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

When a demon came to me, it definitely automatically threw me into paranoid delusion as the fear was so great. It's like having an invisible attacker, stalker, killer whatever you wanna call it and everyone will think you're crazy, while you get mentally tormented by an extrasensory entity. They come to teach great lessons though.. all experiences in life has to be converted into wisdom, especially ones like these.

From my experiences it seems these entities do exist, they seem to live within other humans, and there are many out there.

I don't prefer to label my experience as an attack as that puts me in victim mode, rather I learn from the negativity I was forced to look at and explore because of the experience itself, everything is a reflection of you.

Though there was a real entity that spawned in my closet sent apparently from an attacker. The night after it came to get me, and I endured a 4 hour panic attack, I was greeted with a random message on Facebook some person sent me a screenshot of my attacker saying how powerful he became that night. I then had to battle through severe paranoia as I have never battled extradimensional entities before haha, and having to sleep right next to the closet every single night after that traumatizing experience. I eventually had to battle this entity in my dreams, and I'd wake up in the middle of the night to it trying to feed off the distress it creates it would mainly be a black mass that had negative intention and felt like mental rape whenever it was near you. The attacker was apparently using the oujia board to conjure/create/work with these demons and send them at me. Near the end of the ordeal, one of the entities possessed a new friend I was just getting to know, it turned out to just be the entities or the attacker in disguise as another human, I would get messages from random people and it would always be the same person masquerading trying to get closer to me

The scariest part was it was apparently coming from another person but not in a physical tangible form, there's nobody to help you but you. I felt vulnerable invaded exposed and mentally raped. This wasn't just my imagination, it actually existed and included in my friends and families experience as well, it was actually from our friends discovery when she felt a terrible presence coming from the closet area and a feeling of "there's something in there that wants out" it soon popped out right after that as a black mass that creates large cold presences, bangs on shit and can knock over shit in its physical form so it was definitely a real entity that existed that was feeding off all the power I was giving away.

There was a time in my life when I was crippled from this experience and the trauma it induced, luckily I have grown through it and gained a lot of experience. It seems these things exist on their own dimension, and potentially within many humans, I know whenever I visit crowded places now a days I know the crowd is not just fully human, you can sense that presence in some individuals, the line blurs for me here as it gets into archonic deception, and if these things are continuing their existance by prodding and creating distress in human experiences


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Eclipse3130] * 2
    #26401475 - 12/26/19 11:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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When a demon came to me, it definitely automatically threw me into paranoid delusion as the fear was so great.

From my experiences it seems these entities do exist, they seem to live within other humans, and there are many out there.

I don't prefer to label my experience as an attack as that puts me in victim mode, rather I learn from the negativity I was forced to look at and explore because of the experience itself, everything is a reflection of you.

it would mainly be a black mass that had negative intention and felt like mental rape whenever it was near you.

This wasn't just my imagination, it actually existed and included in my friends and families experience as well, it was actually from our friends discovery when she felt a terrible presence coming from the closet area and a feeling of "there's something in there that wants out" it soon popped out right after that as a black mass that creates large cold presences, bangs on shit and can knock over shit in its physical form so it was definitely a real entity that existed that was feeding off all the power I was giving away.




They certainly do exist.
Monday December 16th, I had my first personal encounter with what I immediately recognized as a demon. Like yours it was a pitch black spirit. It came in while I was practicing a certain spell that was supposed to be white magic but ended up being sorcery and deception is how it ended up in my head for a few hours. I was deceived but I let myself be. It was a huge mistake.

It was very 'angry' and I could feel it 'slamming' things as well, and in my mind's eye it was making curse words and awful slurs appear. When I laid down in bed and shut off the lights trying to sleep that night, I could feel it 'looming' over me, and I quickly learned that the worst thing you can do is be afraid of them. It gives them power.

I noticed that they hijack your emotions and flip them upside down in relation to what you would normally feel from your thoughts. I tested this while I was pondering ways to purify myself. I thought of how the power of love felt, and what I felt at that time was pain and unease. I thought of the word life, and what I felt was sadness. I thought of holding hands and what I felt was fear. These are things that normally make me feel positive emotions when I think about them. It seems that certain thoughts make them uncomfortable.

At some point while I was thinking, I put my hands on my head, and after some time (a 'cycle' in magical terms) the demon suddenly 'popped' out of my head and went into my hands. This made me realize that the healing practice 'laying of hands' (a white magic spell) is an effective method for purifying them. I had prior knowledge that dark spirits can be returned into the land through trees, so I went outside and placed my hands on a large tree, and after some time the dark spirit left me.

I did learn a lot from this experience. Before that I had only done things to ward away evil spirits but had never dealt with an actual intrusion before.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: kneesocks] * 2
    #26401518 - 12/26/19 11:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, totally agree. And the tools that are meant and used to ward away these entities really are not a barrier at all for one that really will be let in, through the portal of the mind. It is all on the level of mind, thought and emotion which they manipulate, the demon I encountered never lived inside my body but rather my house, and would come out every night for snacks pretty much, and I would continually feed it and help give it power to manifest and grow.

I eventually had to work through my fear every day going to sleep next to this thing until I reached a point of groundedness and slowly healed through the whole ordeal. We eventually left that house as well not for the entirety of the reason of the demon but how it just all seemed to fit perfectly in place of how it kind of kicked me awake into being conscious of so much unconsciousness. I am grateful for the experience even though I could clearly see it ending most people's lives or having them end up in the mental ward at the very least.

I like to look at it as a teaching or lesson, turning and pulling as much wisdom as possible from it, and knowing if I ever encounter another one, the power of knowing and understanding my own power against them is greater, the power of love, as it is not a real battle but one within our own selves


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26403984 - 12/28/19 02:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Great posts above, both of you. What are your thoughts on "entity attachments" as a concept? Do you guys think/observe/experience these "etheric vampires" latching on to weak people, drug addicts, etc? I have a working theory those people are like organic portals for that shit. Handles through which the anti-spiritual hooks can be cast into our realm. Just a thought.


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    #26405094 - 12/28/19 05:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Here's my non-PC question; how do you know half the people who claim they see shit, understand what they're seeing? Yes, people are stupid and misperceive shit all the time, then play off of their own reaction and convince them they saw something, etc.




Simple, the majority of people don't see it... And there's no physical/scientific explanation for it occurring or even any basis.
If you grab a random sample of people number 100 and point to the sky and ask what color they see it will likely be blue. If you put a chair in a room and ask those 100 people what is it and the majority say chair.. It's definitely a chair there.

Now if some rando says they see a ghost and most don't.. If some person claims they were possessed by a demon that physically exists and no one else sees it well then by multiple failures of reasonable logic, it doesn't exist.. Same goes for aliens and all the other mystical bullshit. It's mainly in a person's individual head. It doesn't exist in the physical world and they are a super minority that claims it does. So, quite simply it doesn't. Also, a lot of people aren't that bright. Some have mental conditions. Some have 'religious' issues. Some have 'cultural' issues that all feed into a warped perception of reality.
A chair is definitely there, a ghost or ayyy isn't.


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THE absolute best case of some woman trying to play the public with this, is with the video LC posted in the UFO/Alien thread of a woman supposedly capturing an "alien" in her driveway. It's clearly her son, with a t-shirt wrapped around his head. Even when they confront them and have him mock the video, and it's obviously him trying hard not to get caught looking like the video, lo and behold people in the comments will insist this is an alien in this lady's driveway, lol.



You're going to waste a lot of time and energy trying to understand the minds of idiots/people with mental issues.

At best, I take a 'demonic attack' as a person not knowing what a subconscious is and looping so hard in a particular form of it that it becomes 'real' to them. I know exactly how this sort of thing can happen in the human brain and I know exactly why the idea of a demon physically existing in the outside world is ludicrous enough that its not even worth comment.


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    #26405101 - 12/28/19 05:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The paradox is that the higher our supernatural abilities are, the lower our natural resistance to supernatural phenomena are.




This is not a paradox nor does a person have supernatural abilities.
Nor is the breakdown of one's reasoned mind a supernatural phenomena.
Belief instead is a powerful construct. In the human mind, beliefs flow as fluid as the signals from one's optic nerve that give them a window into the physical world. If a person systematically plays and entertains concepts of the 'supernatural' so will become of their inner world. You do not have supernatural abilities, you have supernatural beliefs... And depending on how strong a belief, your natural mind will yield you to your internal fantasy and thus becomes of you.

Meanwhile, in the world outside your grey matter, all is natural and ordered. It's just you in that play world you constructed in your head. There's no proof of physical demons, aliens. No one can levitate with their mind. No one has super powers. No one can 'read minds'. No one can cast spells or perform magic.

Indeed, your beliefs don't determine reality. If that were the case, there would be broad based chaos. There isn't. Reality is there and is what it is. If a chair is in a room, it's a chair. If you want to believe its a alien with super powers, that's your choice and your 'world' not everyone else's.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26405114 - 12/28/19 05:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Great posts above, both of you. What are your thoughts on "entity attachments" as a concept? Do you guys think/observe/experience these "etheric vampires" latching on to weak people, drug addicts, etc? I have a working theory those people are like organic portals for that shit. Handles through which the anti-spiritual hooks can be cast into our realm. Just a thought.



Drug addicts rob their brain and body of its natural balanced function. They damage regions of their brain. They damage their emotional center. They damage their ability to perform higher thought. So, of course this manifests itself in lower minded animalistic/chaotic behavior. There's no demon God hopping through cosmic portals and taking over their bodies. Rather, it's all occurring during to natural/physical reasons explainable by science.

Long term usage of various drugs can cause structural and irreversible brain damage from perfectly scientific reasons. No demon portal jumped into your skull.. You literally and physically just fucked your brain up. It's resilient so you still maintain some degree of function.

Does a person who doesn't understand basic biology/neuro-biology call what results demonization? Also, some people's brains and brain chemistry are just fucked naturally. Others? Well, they twist their brain in knots with wild thoughts. I fail to see where anyone has a plausible story to suggest otherwise.


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    #26405298 - 12/28/19 07:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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there's no physical/scientific explanation for it occurring or even any basis.

If some person claims they were possessed by a demon that physically exists and no one else sees it well then by multiple failures of reasonable logic, it doesn't exist..

It doesn't exist in the physical world and they are a super minority that claims it does.



It is not reasonable to require metaphysical occurances to be proven physically because physical laws only apply to the physical world. Metaphysical phenomena are not physically tangible, yet things like experiences are still real.

Every one of us controls our own physical body, which is connected to our body in the spirit world, but this doesn't mean we can bring physical objects with us into the spirit world.

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No one can cast spells or perform magic



Do you understand that magic and spellwork cannot violate physical laws?
They are a hidden (occult) means of achieving an end, not a fireworks display. Even if magic could violate physical laws by manifesting as a big flashy spell as it does in mainstream media, someone who only accepts the validity of physical occurances will find a way to explain it away using science.

Both physical reality and spiritual reality are undeniable. To believe otherwise is to refuse to acknowledge half of reality.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: kneesocks] * 1
    #26405318 - 12/28/19 07:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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It is not reasonable to require metaphysical occurances to be proven physically because physical laws only apply to the physical world.




Yesterday's metaphysics is today's science. Classical physics is far different than non-classical physics and non-classical physics branches into metaphysics. The average person isn't capable of talking about classical physics much less metaphysics but attempt in the best manner they know. The best way they know how involves anthropomorphically explaining abstract concepts thus comes the idea of : ghosts/demons/angels etc. They don't exist in the real world... It's a classic and understood projection of the mind. Have a look yourself :
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/anthropomorphically
ascribing human form or attributes to a being or thing not human, especially to a deity.

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Metaphysical phenomena are not physically tangible, yet things like experiences are still real.




All things that interact with your physical body are.
You are informed of this the more you study actual science. When you become very knowledge about science you get into the theoretical realm of science which is essentially meta-physics. Metaphysics is science. It's meta-physics. Your experiences are no doubt 'real' but they're all in your head past the point that others can observe it too. The logic is ironclad.


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Every one of us controls our own physical body, which is connected to our body in the spirit world, but this doesn't mean we can bring physical objects with us into the spirit world.




Whatever you want to call this... Those that believe in this concept no doubt 'experience' it and is as I said earlier the power of belief. Others that don't believe in it don't experience it. Surprise, the logic holds.. You experience internally a subjective world informed by and colored by your beliefs.

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Both physical reality and spiritual reality are undeniable. To believe otherwise is to refuse to acknowledge half of reality.



Physical reality is undeniable and irrefutable and observable by many people. Meta-reality is a combination of the whacky beliefs and ideas your cook up in your own head and a range of meta-physics/meta-science we have yet to discover/understand.

Nothing is being refuted other than rooting why you experience what you do and I already know what a potential reply will be because your mind so married to a belief compels you to. I don't live in such an internal world. I maintain a large range of theories that sometimes conflict. However, I know them to be 'theories' and thus don't become married to any particular one. Your life is no doubt enhanced/benefited by your belief in spirits/ghosts/demons/etc which is why you maintain it against all sensible reality. You have free-will and that right...

No sense arguing with a person who lives in their own personal reality.
Just don't think your reality scales to the outside world... And ultimately don't be of the belief that science and knowledge wont eventually negate and make the concept foolish in the years as it has before. This goes without saying however because people tend to reason with what they have. The more a person understands science and reality, physics, metaphysics, biology, neuro-biology, etc etc.. The less they depend on 'out there abstractions' that isn't grounded in any concrete/testable body of knowledge :
Just believe me bro..
Absolutely not.


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    #26405328 - 12/28/19 08:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I admit that I am not very smart or rational minded but I've experienced the other side for myself, many times.
Whether they're explainable by science or not, my experiences are still real.

I understand that it's easier for you to believe in something if you saw it for yourself, but words are not very good at this kind of thing.


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    #26405370 - 12/28/19 08:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Just don't think your reality scales to the outside world...



It does, this has been known for a long time. As above, so below.


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And ultimately don't be of the belief that science and knowledge wont eventually negate and make the concept foolish in the years as it has before.


As with the Yin and Yang, the world of science and the world of spirit are separate, yet complementary. Material and spiritual will never negate as long as our universe exists in it's current form of (non)duality.


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    #26405390 - 12/28/19 09:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Just don't think your reality scales to the outside world...



It does, this has been known for a long time. As above, so below.


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And ultimately don't be of the belief that science and knowledge wont eventually negate and make the concept foolish in the years as it has before.


As with the Yin and Yang, the world of science and the world of spirit are separate, yet complementary. Material and spiritual will never negate as long as our universe exists in it's current form of (non)duality.




Can't argue against your subjective experience.
Only can state what is commonly objective..


A 'demon' can be so many things from just a psychological perspective, there's little fruit discussing the broad range of people and circumstances they encounter this phenomenon. Indeed it is 'real' to you.. But is there some boogie man with horns running around out there in the real world? No, nobody sees it but you. Goes for any other 'meta' concept. It doesn't render the same for everyone.


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    #26405529 - 12/28/19 11:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I feel that the perceived duality which can be described in everything in our world is something as objective and absolute as saying that one plus one equals two.

A demon is a spirit born of the 'negative' world, and it's ability to influence depends on the amount of negative energy people feed it.
People who are in such a weakened state from accumulated stress, etc can end up opening themselves to their deception, and those who are not aware are in more danger of being deceived.
Someone could suddenly have the temptation of doing something that they know is bad, but if they don't make a conscious effort to cut away from that line of thinking immediately, they end up having more thoughts of a similar nature. Eventually rationalizing it and acting on it. They've given up control to the forces of darkness.

I think the same happened with racist and hateful people, people who suffer from addiction, and so on.

Sometimes you hear about people commiting awful crimes suddenly which others say are completely out of character for them.

Some say these kind of things are just caused by mental illnesses, but inherently mental illness isn't evil. Something evil is what's leading people towards spiritual death and down into the hell realms.


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    #26405545 - 12/29/19 12:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I feel that the perceived duality which can be described in everything in our world is something as objective and absolute as saying that one plus one equals two.




Perception is not objective or absolute. Else, there would be a widely shared and singular account. Instead, it is widely varied even under same conditions and closely related to a person's beliefs and experiences relating it to 'subconscious'.

Along that line and down the vein that you describe, I've 'faced' the concept of demons/angels.. It was largely driven by my immature and misguided Christian upbringing and beliefs at a time when I was younger. When I matured out of this belief system and Christianity, it 'magically' went away. It wasn't magic however. The belief died and the neural circuits that supported the memory/thoughts did too and thus it no longer was activated in times of panic/distress/uncertainty/ and or during metaphysical pondering. So, no more demons/angels. I no longer carry the belief and since it doesn't exist in the physical world, I don't encounter it even in my 'spiritual' world. And since i know more about how the brain works and my psyche I know the phenomenon and describe it as my 'adversarial' subconscious.. An amalgamation of fear and many other constructs. THe human mind is powerful and until you truly learn more about it and have knowledge/wisdom about it, you indeed will continue to think there are separate worlds/demons/angels/etc when its all in your head.

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A demon is a spirit born of the 'negative' world, and it's ability to influence depends on the amount of negative energy people feed it.




You mentioned yin/yang. You are composed of both. You have a negative and positive world inside of you and you don't fully understand it. No human being does. It 'manifests' itself in a range of ways.. those manifestations are projections. They aren't real.

I'd take a dump on one's face if I saw one.. They're weak and beneath me.
I no longer have 'fear' of what you refer to

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People who are in such a weakened state from accumulated stress, etc can end up opening themselves to their deception, and those who are not aware are in more danger of being deceived.




Weakened and compromised minds deceive themselves.. Multiple days without eating. multiple days without drinking.. Doing drugs.. all tweaks your brain and lets the 'imagination' run wild.

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Someone could suddenly have the temptation of doing something that they know is bad, but if they don't make a conscious effort to cut away from that line of thinking immediately, they end up having more thoughts of a similar nature. Eventually rationalizing it and acting on it. They've given up control to the forces of darkness.

I think the same happened with racist and hateful people, people who suffer from addiction, and so on.

Sometimes you hear about people commiting awful crimes suddenly which others say are completely out of character for them.

Some say these kind of things are just caused by mental illnesses, but inherently mental illness isn't evil. Something evil is what's leading people towards spiritual death and down into the hell realms.





Were talking past each other.
I can't critique your personal experience. I am not you. To you, it's all to real.
However, your reality doesn't scale nor is visible by others at scale. So, it is quite frankly is you and those minority of people like you's personal subjective inner world.

That inner world you don't seem to understand scientifically and when you lack understanding your imagination/experiences/memory/belief fill in the void.

That's all I can see on this.


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    #26405616 - 12/29/19 02:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Imagination tends to show you all sorts of different things, doesn't it?
What about if you started seeing a certain thing consistently whenever you close your eyes and watch for a while? Would you still think it was your imagination?

I've seen a number of different things in internal space. Once during a vision I passed by a large Yin-yang shaped object. The odd part about that was because it had a three-dimensional shape and I had no idea what one even looked like since before that I'd only ever seen the 2D versions. At a later time this shape appeared again and turned out to be the 'tunnel' that 'pulled' me through it at an impossible speed during my near-death experience.

More recently my observations have been consistently of a large 'stone' structure in my inner vision which 'I' seem to be attached to, and it seems to be spiral-shaped, but it's vertically more complex than a spiral as seen from different points within the structure. I'm always autonomously moving through the structure, as if on a conveyor belt. The movement through the structure starts for a small period of time, and then stops for a small period of time, and then begins again in a 'cyclic' manner. Sometimes in a different direction but always following the complex shape of the structure. I can't turn to look around at anything like I can when I have dreams and visions since the viewpoint is always fixed 'forward'.

In a certain part of this structure there is an area where I see groups of people I've never seen before ascending a large set of stairs. At the top of this stairway is a 'platform' where the people then wait for something to happen at a specific point in the 'cycle'. When that time occurred, they would be sent over the edge of where they were gathered, as if pushed by some force.  From what I could see, those that fell went all the way down into a 'glowing' area, where they would ignite and start screaming. Others would float up and away, also out of view. I've only observed this area within the structure twice, but based off of what happens there, wouldn't it make sense to identify this area as 'Judgement' and the groups of people as some of the recently deceased?

I've been watching it for a while now and it's way too consistent to be imaginary. So I've been reading up in search of anything which could explain this consistency and what I've found tells me it could be the 'clockwork' of my internal Taiji turning, or it may even be that of the universal structure. I'm not certain which one it is yet, but I don't really think it's the universal structure. Unless there's some purpose behind an initiate like me being given the ability to perceive it?

Here's the part that corresponds with the movements in the structure as it starts and stops at intervals.

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Taiji is understood to be the highest conceivable principle, that from which existence flows. This is very similar to the Daoist idea "reversal is the movement of the Dao". The "supreme ultimate" creates yang and yin: movement generates yang; when its activity reaches its limit, it becomes tranquil. Through tranquility the supreme ultimate generates yin. When tranquility has reached its limit, there is a return to movement. Movement and tranquility, in alternation, become each the source of the other. The distinction between the yin and yang is determined and the two forms (that is, the yin and yang) stand revealed. By the transformations of the yang and the union of the yin, the 5 elements (Qi) of water, fire, wood, metal and earth are produced. These 5 Qi become diffused, which creates harmony. Once there is harmony the 4 seasons can occur. Yin and yang produced all things, and these in their turn produce and reproduce, this makes these processes never ending. (Wu, 1986)




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A soul that harbors doubt has no joy, not in this world or the next."
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    #26407018 - 12/29/19 10:51 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

I recently had an episode of sleep paralysis ( I get these some times, maybe once or twice per year, always when watching tv on the couch). What makes this episode unique is that it happened about 1 hour after I decided to take 2 grams of mushrooms with lemon juice.

I was on the couch when I started to get some mild visuals when all of a sudden my vision becomes triangular and can't open my eyes. I can't speak to turn on the lights with Alexa or get up. The entire thing lasted about 1 minute but I was terrified because I felt like a spirit or force was pinning me down.

The more I thought about it the demon/spirit theory fell apart. Even if it were true, is this is all a demon can do to me? Make me uncomfortable for 1 minute? lol

I am learning a lot about my mind with mushrooms and most of it is liberating and positive, pretty much what r00tcmplx says in this thread is my experience. The more I learn about psychedelics and science the less irrational my explanations become.

The people who see demons/angels/spirits/ghosts are never scientifically literate and in nearly all cases simply repeating religious fear propaganda they were unwittingly traumatized by earlier in life.


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    #26407166 - 12/30/19 02:26 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

You can be as scientific and logical as you want but it won't protect you from the repercussions of negative karma. In our world it's best to have a balance. Too much focus on the spiritual causes material poverty. Too much focus on the material causes spiritual poverty.
The important thing to remember is that spiritual development is what is carries over from one life to the next. Anything you gain materially does not.
I don't share what I experience to make you afraid. If people sharing their experiences causes you to believe that, it's more likely that fear was already coming from somewhere within you.
Maybe you really fear experiencing millions of cycles of death and rebirth without making any spiritual progress? In that case you should be concerned. But if you're okay with such a path, by all means look away and call it scienticially illiterate.

Also sleep paralysis isn't anything supernatural.


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    #26407183 - 12/30/19 02:52 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Also what's the point of even coming to the Spirituality and Mysticism section if you only came here to tell people how correct science is and to not believe in their experiences? There's another section for that.

Did you come here to learn? In that case you can read about people's spiritual beliefs and mystical experiences.

It seems that you have an issue with people spreading religious and spiritual beliefs, but aren't you saying to everybody in a discussion about spirituality that belief in spirits is wrong and that science is the only acceptable belief? Isn't that exactly what religious zealots do and why people are critical of them?

I don't understand.


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    #26409254 - 12/31/19 12:21 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

I have no reason to believe in other peoples's experiences. Personal revelations are just that. I'm here to learn and what I've learned so far is that our minds are more powerful than we will ever realize.


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    #26410470 - 01/01/20 05:33 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

There's no discussion to be had from responding with "I don't believe you" to somebody who is sharing an experience they had.

It's one thing to be wary of what you decide to personally believe in, and it's another thing to use one's words to openly dismiss the fact that people experience especially here of all places.

If someone goes for a walk, smells toast and then shares the experience later in a discussion about scents, and someone decides to call the toast smeller a liar, how is that helpful to anyone? It would have been better to not say anything instead.


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    #26415693 - 01/04/20 08:59 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

I used to get night terrors and I also have what I think might be demons willing me to not move my body. Which I’ve done in public much to others’ dismay.


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