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Offlinechibiabos
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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26363014 - 12/05/19 01:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

He's off by one element.  And in a sense it's kind of irrelevant to the whole discussion around the ethics of actually using nuclear explosives on Japan.  It's more like calling C4 a low explosive than historical revisionism.  :shrug:


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: chibiabos]
    #26363135 - 12/05/19 02:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

There sorta is fuedalism now.  Rich people live well above the majority of the population.  They have private security, sometimes the secret service. They get more govt security and favors.

Their children get every advantage as well.

Yet we do have a quasi public govt that sorta looks for citizens interests.  At the same time more of our Govt is decided by rich people and rich organizations.  Rarely do poor people get elected to office.

It is indeed a rich mans world.  Average people simply have some protections.  Until post nuclear war or severe finical collapse.


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26363157 - 12/05/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Erik Prince (Blackwater) and Betsy Devos (Trumps education secretary)

Are brother and sister.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academi


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26363241 - 12/05/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Morel Guy said:
There sorta is fuedalism now.  Rich people live well above the majority of the population.  They have private security, sometimes the secret service. They get more govt security and favors.

Their children get every advantage as well.

Yet we do have a quasi public govt that sorta looks for citizens interests.  At the same time more of our Govt is decided by rich people and rich organizations.  Rarely do poor people get elected to office.

It is indeed a rich mans world.  Average people simply have some protections.  Until post nuclear war or severe finical collapse.



Feudalism is an actual form of government.  It's less like social inequality and more like the paradigm behind Trump's concept of diplomacy.


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: chibiabos]
    #26363339 - 12/05/19 04:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I do not confuse a system of control with Govt.  To me Govt should be striving for perfect democracy not total control.

I know slavery when I see it.  That is what we still have and it's not karma.  It is luck and those with more luck have more control.


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26363546 - 12/05/19 05:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Morel Guy said:
There sorta is fuedalism now.  Rich people live well above the majority of the population.  They have private security, sometimes the secret service. They get more govt security and favors.

Their children get every advantage as well.

Yet we do have a quasi public govt that sorta looks for citizens interests.  At the same time more of our Govt is decided by rich people and rich organizations.  Rarely do poor people get elected to office.

It is indeed a rich mans world.  Average people simply have some protections.  Until post nuclear war or severe finical collapse.





Its kind of inevitable with humans automatically wanting to lift up their children as high as they can reach. Pretty crazy to think about it.

Because you cant tell them not to help their kids out.... but at the same time its fucked up that the wealthy have direct benefit from lineage. Its almost like I'm hitting a cognitive dissonance barrier.

I wonder if its because I dont have kids and cant fully be on board with it yet.


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Oldnameforgotten] * 2
    #26363555 - 12/05/19 05:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Apart from hunter gatherer societies all of human society has been a pyramid. This is why its important to push for more egalitarianism.


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26363560 - 12/05/19 05:47 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Some rich folks leave nothing to kids.

I enjoy spoiling.  If you want strong kids you will not spoil.  In my life there are good times and hard.  I suspect it is like that for all.


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #26365544 - 12/06/19 05:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Near Dylan said:
Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
History is open to interpretation. 
Dont get me wrong, there are some absolutes(for instance the H bomb in Japan), but I would argue, some try to apply modern times to history....it is a pitfall.



This ignorant perspective explains a great deal of your post history lol, specifically regarding the military.





Tell me, what is ignorant about stating that history is open to interpretation?

I offer my direct experiences with active duty military service; however, this does not make me infallible nor do I crave hero worship.(just like the majority of vets out there). What have I stated that you disagree with?

Or are you basing this off my erroneous "H"?


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26365611 - 12/06/19 05:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

History is very open to interpretation.  Documentaries cover a lot of ground in a small air time portion.  Books go into so much detail that it takes a lot of serious interest and a good brain.

I used to read books on Vietnam a lot.  At least one from someone who was there.  I felt the movies were sad and could identify easier not knowing the politics.

Now that I know myself better it's a real mess.  On one hand a good offense is a good defense, to a point.  On another nobody is ruling Earth and provoking is taboo.

We may never know any other way nor factual analysis of risking peace.  Odd thing is America seems to feel more secure at war.


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26365790 - 12/06/19 07:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The Ken Burns Vietnam......... so fucking horrible and sad.

The really horrifying part is, those guys are our family/friends and they regularly deal with remembering trauma beyond what most of us can ever imagine.

I once had a drunk Vietnam vet tell me about the 5 guys he killed, He was drafted when he was 19 years old...

All just to save face in the eyes of the world.........


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26365805 - 12/06/19 07:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
Quote:

Near Dylan said:
Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
History is open to interpretation. 
Dont get me wrong, there are some absolutes(for instance the H bomb in Japan), but I would argue, some try to apply modern times to history....it is a pitfall.



This ignorant perspective explains a great deal of your post history lol, specifically regarding the military.





Tell me, what is ignorant about stating that history is open to interpretation?

I offer my direct experiences with active duty military service; however, this does not make me infallible nor do I crave hero worship.(just like the majority of vets out there). What have I stated that you disagree with?

Or are you basing this off my erroneous "H"?




Speaking for myself, it was just an honest mistake. I had to go in for a jab though.


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26365941 - 12/06/19 09:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

No worries.:mushroom2:


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26366260 - 12/07/19 04:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It was obviously in reference to this:
Quote:

some try to apply modern times to history....it is a pitfall.



It isn't a pitfall, it's the literal reason thatt history gets studied lol. I would bring up the things you said about war and the military that were crazy ignorant and naive, but you cried for a moderator last time I did


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26366365 - 12/07/19 07:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I see integrity is an issue for you.

You flamed me...that is why the moderator contacted you. In case you dont understand, that is against the forum rules. Do you have anything to refute this?

Moreover, I was referring to the historian's fallacy....that is an informal fallacy that occurs when assumptions about decision makers of late; observed events from the same perspective and information as those presently analyzing the decision....there is also presentism. Do you also refute this?

Or you could *gasp* learn, contribute, and be civil.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


Edited by SirTripAlot (12/07/19 07:27 AM)


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26367239 - 12/07/19 03:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Near Dylan said:
It was obviously in reference to this:
Quote:

some try to apply modern times to history....it is a pitfall.



It isn't a pitfall, it's the literal reason thatt history gets studied lol. I would bring up the things you said about war and the military that were crazy ignorant and naive, but you cried for a moderator last time I did




I reckon youre in the wrong here. You are attacking him because he said Hydrogen bomb in Japan? Is it REALLY that big of a deal?

His point was clearly that history was written by the victor. If you want to argue with him ... then argue with that point. Which would make you stupid to do so.


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26367350 - 12/07/19 04:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I never said anything about the H bomb thing, what are you talking about?

That isnt even his point, dude. You trippin rn.


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Re: Lets talk........ Feudalism...... [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26370128 - 12/09/19 02:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Let's talk about oligarchy.


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