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Goofy blobs!...(Updated pic 12/14)* Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother...
    #26365644 - 12/06/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have two taller shoe boxes (27Qt) going right now, one I posted about earlier which is looking promising as of right now albeit a little bacterial on the underside of the sub on the bottom of the tub. This ones been lagging behind a bit and some of the spots that look like small knotting in the pictures are very small in real life and don't look overly like myc. Is this one alright? Maybe I need to stop over thinking this whole thing and keep myself busy with some agar or something. This was 2Qts WBS spawned 1:1 to a coco coir verm sub.



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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26365649 - 12/06/19 06:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Looks fine.


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26365679 - 12/06/19 06:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the input. I'll find some agar to keep busy and leave it alone.


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26365764 - 12/06/19 07:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I predict a good outcome for you sir :wooawesome:


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: Smartattack]
    #26365832 - 12/06/19 08:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I like the sound of that, I hope you're right  :cantarguewiththat:


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26372638 - 12/10/19 08:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Update! Pics from last night, looks like knotting to me, but what the hell do I know...



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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26372673 - 12/10/19 08:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Update! Pics from last night, looks like knotting to me, but what the hell do I know...






Dude you're only a few days away from seeing some awesome ass pins! Exciting times. Is this ur first?


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26372679 - 12/10/19 08:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Update! Pics from last night, looks like knotting to me, but what the hell do I know...






Dude you're only a few days away from seeing some awesome ass pins! Exciting times. Is this ur first?




Also what are the dimensions of the bottom of that 27qt tub? Sounds like a perfect size...

I got this 30some at tub that is 12x11 but haven't been able to find it anywhere and it's perfect size between a full sized mono and a shoebox. 

I can fit 7 qts in there with a 3.5 inch sub layer...or somethi g like that


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26372685 - 12/10/19 08:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'll have to measure when I get home n keep you posted, I have two varieties of the 27qt, this one has a slightly larger bottom surface.

Yes, first grow, so super anxious and a little nervous something will or is going to go wrong down the stretch. I'm guessing after I see the whole process from start to finish firsthand it should answer a lot of my newbie questions and concerns :tongue2:

Hoping you're right, my patients can't handle much more than a few more days
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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26373065 - 12/10/19 12:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Update! Pics from last night, looks like knotting to me, but what the hell do I know...






Dude you're only a few days away from seeing some awesome ass pins! Exciting times. Is this ur first?




Also what are the dimensions of the bottom of that 27qt tub? Sounds like a perfect size...

I got this 30some at tub that is 12x11 but haven't been able to find it anywhere and it's perfect size between a full sized mono and a shoebox. 

I can fit 7 qts in there with a 3.5 inch sub layer...or somethi g like that




The one in the picture is the Sterilite 27 Qt Stadium Blue Latch Box model #1925-04 (blue handles)

16.5”L    13”W    12.25”H

Total surface area on the bottom of this puppy is 214.5”

I also have another style, Sterilite 27 Qt ClearView Latch Box model #1763-27 (purple handles)

17”L      11.125”W            12.75”H

Total surface area on the bottom of this one is 189.125”, you get another 25 inches of area with the 1st one, I like both though. And I like the fact that if/when the shrooms start growing I shouldn’t have to futz with the lid, bag it, or create a dubtub of sorts since the height should be more than enough.

From my reading, carbon dioxide has a greater molecular weight than oxygen, so my biggest concern is with the higher sides is that it won’t get the necessary oxygen, so I’ve been pretty good about lightly fanning a few times per day just to stir up the air a bit and replace the CO2 with fresh oxygen rich air. Haven’t had to mist too often as it seems to be retaining a majority of the moisture. When I got close to full colonization I wiped the sides and lid down since they were beading up and dripping on the surface and between the sub and the sides of the tub. I figured that may also encourage a bit more evaporation since the moisture can gather on the sides once again, I just paid a little closer attention to surface conditions immediately after that to make sure it wasn’t drying out.

This is my maiden voyage, so my knowledge is limited to basically what I’ve been able to read and gather on here so take it for what it’s worth.

I like to think I’ve read enough to have a pretty good idea of the whole process and I’ve taken on agar and have been able to germinate from syringes and spore prints and have made quite a few transfers of numerous different varieties. The thing I’m finding to be the hardest is comparing my tubs to images on the site, I’m finding the sizes and lighting to be deceiving and is creating some issues for me. I’m hoping this tub fruits and I can get some more 1st hand experience under my belt.


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26374540 - 12/11/19 07:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Do we have our first pins? Seems like it but a lot of the knotting/growth is looking a bit wonky, almost spotty, is this normal. It's supposed to be a tub of GTs.


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26374574 - 12/11/19 08:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

looking real good bruh, about to explode on ya, i'd say!  not sure if that last is a pin, should know by tonight tho:dancer:

comparing pics with local look has been brain-crushing for me, have to have faith i'm doing it right until experience fills in the gaps and builds our confidence that everything is as it should be (or close enough to provide some fruit!:lol:

and patience:facepalm: killin me.. shred 4 GT brf cakes to a 6q shoebox on 27NOV, cv pseudo-cased at spawn, saw myc in couple days then nothing for 10 days... suddenly pins are popping up all over- but surface is not 100% colonized, hell its not even 15%, unlatched and flipped lid anyways:shrug:

also spawned my 6 grain jars to 6 shoeboxes yesterday, all done same, 1q spawn, 1q cv just under field capacity mixed leveled then 'cased' with 1p cv and 'hyper-misted' surface then latched shut. that brf shoebox has me second guessing everything tho with surface so uncolonized but...pins! ugh


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: TeaforTwo]
    #26377088 - 12/12/19 11:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hoping this is going to start popping off soon, tons of little blobs, would these be primordia?

I'm fanning about 4 times a day and misting as needed to maintain small water droplets on the surface.  Anything else I need to be aware of or do at this point to ensure some fruit for my labor? Spawned on 11/25 1:1 WBS to verm coir sub. I didnt case and it was put into "growing conditions" immediately.


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26377136 - 12/12/19 12:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Those tiny white dots are knots forming which will each turn into pins if the right conditions are met. You’re on the right track!


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26377140 - 12/12/19 12:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like you are going to have a blob farm. Not the end of the world, it happens and it's still worth seeing through, they just don't present well. Last few times I had this happen the 2nd and 3rd flush was all normal looking stuff.


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26377142 - 12/12/19 12:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

had to search it because ive been using the terms loosely. found a couple real good posts first is RR showing hyphal knots, primoridia, pins and fruits on his money grow:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9603605#9603605

other is Mycolorado showing on plates knots and primoridia and a pin on plates:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24079130#24079130

I was confused thinking knots were the larger grouping spots of myc and the tiny dots all over your surface being primordia. all them tiny dots are the knots from which primordia then pins grow. primordia is where it starts 'standing up' a little, conical like, with some pinhead form on top but not much, pin is when that pinhead takes on fruit cap color and/or defines nicely

looking back at other pic from day ago seems to be primordia moving into pin phase but where'd it go?!:lol:

thing is going to explode, i still say! would have suggested lid flip and FAE w/misting but read back and see you all over it already- they just testing your new grower patience is all, good things come to those who wait lesson inbound soon, i bet money on it~:dancer:


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: TeaforTwo]
    #26377492 - 12/12/19 03:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That looks kind of like some tubs I’ve had with slight bacterial infections that made the knots swell and turn yellow. Nothing devastating though.


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: Smartattack]
    #26377527 - 12/12/19 03:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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had to search it because ive been using the terms loosely. found a couple real good posts first is RR showing hyphal knots, primoridia, pins and fruits on his money grow:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9603605#9603605

other is Mycolorado showing on plates knots and primoridia and a pin on plates:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24079130#24079130

I was confused thinking knots were the larger grouping spots of myc and the tiny dots all over your surface being primordia. all them tiny dots are the knots from which primordia then pins grow. primordia is where it starts 'standing up' a little, conical like, with some pinhead form on top but not much, pin is when that pinhead takes on fruit cap color and/or defines nicely

looking back at other pic from day ago seems to be primordia moving into pin phase but where'd it go?!:lol:

thing is going to explode, i still say! would have suggested lid flip and FAE w/misting but read back and see you all over it already- they just testing your new grower patience is all, good things come to those who wait lesson inbound soon, i bet money on it~:dancer:



Testing this new grower’s patience to the max, that’s for sure. I’m trying to be patient and calm, but like you said and I mentioned before, my pictures and tubs don’t seem to be looking much like anything I’ve been able to find and compare to on here, nothing like first-hand experience! Just trying to stay on top of things while I’m hopefully coming down the homestretch so I can take any corrective actions if necessary. Thanks for the links and descriptions, I’m in the same boat as you and have been using the terms interchangeably which is apparently far from right. You learn something new every day, help stop the spread of misinformation!

That supposed pin from yesterday’s picture can still be seen in the zoomed in 2nd picture. Use the weird curved stick/coir thing on the left side as a guide between the two pictures. Its slightly down and left of center. It’s almost looking like two small pins connected at the base possibly, one shooting more up with a darker spot and the other heading straight off to the left with a slightly yellowish spot.  I’m almost less convinced today that it’s a pin. Past few mornings and evenings I’ve been expecting to see a distinct pin form to put my mind at ease, but that has yet to happen and is fueling the newb impatience fire.

I’m ready to spawn 6-8 Qts tonight if I can find time, most to shoe boxes and maybe one or two to these 27Qt high sided shoeboxes. I’m thinking I’ll try the pseudo-case on at least a few of these, especially since I didn’t bother casing this or any of the other 3 shoe boxes I have going right now. I can/will post pictures of those in the near future, they’re looking similar to this tub, just a week behind so pre-blob infestation and we’re sitting between 60-75% surface colonization.

The pinning with 10-15% colonization seems weird, but maybe that has something to do with CV offering little nutrients and your mycelium deciding that it’s time to put its energy towards fruiting and complete its life-cycle. Are you using a liner at all? If not, does the bottom and sides below the pseudo-casing look fully colonized?
As always thanks for your help and input, always much appreciated! :rockon:

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Looks like you are going to have a blob farm. Not the end of the world, it happens and it's still worth seeing through, they just don't present well. Last few times I had this happen the 2nd and 3rd flush was all normal looking stuff.



I’m getting the feeling that you’re right and that I’m in for a funky ass blob farm. If that ends up being the case, all is fine and I’ll just have fruit that looks like it could’ve been cast for “The Hills Have Eyes?” Could be worse, especially if I’m able to run it for a few flushes and get some presentable fruits near the end. If not, still experience under my belt for the next wave of grain. Thanks for taking the time to look and for trying to put my newb mind at ease!
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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: A.k.a]
    #26377541 - 12/12/19 03:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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That looks kind of like some tubs I’ve had with slight bacterial infections that made the knots swell and turn yellow. Nothing devastating though.



If there is a bacterial infection, are the fruits still safe? Just more added stress on the mycelium and most likely limit any future flushes?


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26377692 - 12/12/19 05:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

no liner, sub seems weird with brf cake shred, seeing dark on sides and bottom so not 100% colonized, maybe 90% there (may indicate get away from bacteria rush to fruit:shrug: shoebox looks great anyways.

another slight misinfo ive found self parroting appears to be on coir (and verm=minerals) nutrition. seems coir has enough for the good myc, altho grains are way cheaper they do bring nutrient dense food to the table and all the other evil goodies that love such join the feast. jury is still out on whether spawning noc'd coir to coir only in bulk sub is worth it (initial reports are you'll get lackluster flushes and costs much much more)

i posed question to ask the tribe thread about the pins (now very nice fruits!) and not 100% colonized sub, learned it is basically ok, if not to be expected. when you case at spawn this happens and all depending on environment what happens next:lol: so...more food for thought on that... when not cased, wait to 100% colonized before introduce fruiting conditions (moar FAE, misting, 12/12 lighting,etc), or case it then. for casing at spawn either react when pins pop or put in fruit conditions when 100%...

we're sticking with Shaper's 6q SFF with just under field cap sub, 1/4 - 1/2" casing at spawn, hyper-mist it and latch lid till pins show, then unlatch and flip. working on first shoebox, doing same for other 7 colonizing now (1 cake shred, 6 millet spawned, same bulk sub based on eatyualive's unbucket tek).

havent read of GT blobbing, like PE anyways, so searched it. results were all over the board. no way to tell but if blobs do form and looks like amber ooze on them then concern grows exponentially (mycogone). not wanting to put bad energy into this, just be vigilant and document well what you see with as best photos you can get of spots and whole tub like you been doing.

if they just blobs (which they very likely are if thats what we're seeing), well hell, they will treat you well! potentAF, more often than not, is my finds on the subject.. and i love blobs and mutant anyways! (said the broken toy soldier;).

casing at 100%, like you are, seems the thing for PE to help keep the blobbies at bay:shrug:  i would not recommend it tho, it is your first grow and quite the patience test already, and as mentioned above second flush usually gives the stuff we like to photograph and share in pic of the day~

only concern on blobs is..when to harvest them fuckers, search results be all over the place lmao:awesomenod:

edit to add: wow, was typing this for very long time, now see another reply from you:lol:
about bacteria, damn similar response, it depends:facepalm:
some help mycelium, some prevent it from growing over/into it, some grow on fruit caps and bodies and are ok, some are not good (i'd not eat) and some cause a nasty oozing sort of blight- sry that picture...but true, and not rare, aiui, since it occurs often from tub lid drops landing on caps and not roll off or evap, i'd simply not eat those either. but they do not ruin a tub. so depends....hate that too lol.
really less concern bacteria over molds, imo, in the edible dept (bacteria can/will stunt growth and cripple flushes tho, so not of no concern). some of which i reason is because we avoid anaerobic conditions so much and i have some belief the worst bacteria thrive there.. molds are the sporulating airborne mofos and reproduce fast and far due this. molds kill boxes on detection, for your own grow environment health and benefit- altho some fruit even the trichiest:wink: things and get paid some love in return.

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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: TeaforTwo]
    #26381082 - 12/14/19 10:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Here we are a few days later, not too too much has changed but there is some slight bruising on a couple of the blobs and a spot or two of the sub where a drop of water splashed down when I was fanning with the lid.

What are your thoughts on this tub at this point? It seems to me that there is new knots forming and all of those look very white, compared to the initial blobs that were spotty and all over the off-white spectrum. It almost seems to me that maybe the mycelium was trying to flush itself of some of the bacterial infection, and the blobs were that effort? Let me know what you think and what I should do at this point? Should I try to pluck some of these nastier goofy looking blobs that either bruised or are brownish or burst(bottom center of full tub pic)?



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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26381266 - 12/14/19 12:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

brother, that right side is concerning me (maybe its the lighting:shrug: also fanning shouldnt really be needed, it seemed good before but sounds too much now, dont want surface to dry out or shrooms will grow on sides and bottom. but really i am too new and inexperienced to know what to suggest...

and it seems mush cult good eyes are not noticing this thread much, i'd post your last reply to getting started forum, Ask the Tribe thread

those guys and gals are movers and shakers and very patient us noobs, just copy that last reply, with pic, to their thread and link back to this thread should get you a few helpful advice responses by end of the day.


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: TeaforTwo]
    #26381286 - 12/14/19 12:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I never seen gt blob before.
I grow mostly PE and blobbing is normal.
It's nothing to worry.
It's a set back on weight + production for sure .. but..
You'll still be happy after the blob flush.
What's your temps?
You can go a bit warmer to get the blob flush over with if it's testing your patients.
Then cool it again for your 2 flush fruits.
Maybe with these gens do a nice cactus soil casing at 100%
Lotkid has a nice Tek for that. I use cactus instead of giffy mix. Worth a shot.


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: BlueTryptoYoshi] * 1
    #26381407 - 12/14/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The upper right side and middle are darker due to the light source being clipped slightly off to the left side. I'll just monitor the surface moisture at this point and lay off the fanning as much, I'll just stir up the air since it has high sides when I mist. Thanks for the pointer, I posted to the tribe thread with  a link to this thread.
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Temperatures are currently at 70F and most likely can't achieve a warmer environment without a great deal of effort due to winter conditions where I'm at. I've got enough projects and things on my plate that I'm not concerned about the time frame on this first flush so much as I am just worried there might not be any flushes.


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: JohnnyKarate]
    #26381461 - 12/14/19 02:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

yah, just saw your post there, you'll get replies.

70F is a fine temp, we do run a bit cooler 68 day 60 at night and use an oil filled radiator type of heater set at 68 in mush-room, keeps the temps a steady 74 in there (pelonis brand home depot) also see are the ceramic space heater recommended often, just dont get one that blows hot air.

lets see what the tribe has to say, i'm at a loss how it could be all knotted up and still nothing really popping up. it may just need to be left alone for a day or three to get its upward bound bearings set:lol:


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: TeaforTwo]
    #26381476 - 12/14/19 02:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

All ya can really do is wait imo


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Re: Is this tub alright? Lagging behind it's brother... [Re: TeaforTwo]
    #26381477 - 12/14/19 02:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm right there with you. After looking back at the first picture, which was 8 days ago, it doesn't seem like it has progressed nearly as much as it should. Whether that is due to bacteria, lower temps, or just my lack of experience on the actual time-frame my confidence has been shaken with this tub.:justdontknow:


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