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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26365393 - 12/06/19 04:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah but somehow when you tell someone they can get rid of paying 15,000 to a private insurance company and instead pay $7000 more in taxes and they freak the fuck out


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Crazy_Horse] * 1
    #26365395 - 12/06/19 04:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Crazy_Horse said:
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koods said:
The average family plan costs around $15,000 per year




I am not a family.




That’s awesome


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26365424 - 12/06/19 04:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
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I believe that social fabric should be based on voluntary participation and consent



You voluntarily live in Canada. You are free to leave.



Well our constitution says the government cant compel citizens to leave.

but lets say I grant you that. you chose to live in America.

South Africa's constitution says housing is a human right. why dont you move there? Simply declaring something a right doesnt make it appear magically and it doesnt improve quality (competition and responsibility for your own property both play a ole in that. people need to increase the quality of their commodities in order to compete in an open market and if people are putting their money on the line they are made responsible for the result of their venture. If he doesnt make it work then he bears the financial burden. nobody takes care of someone else's property as well as he takes care of his own.) Housing is abundant when there is an incentive for people to make it available. when the government sets up all these regulations saying landlords cant charge more than a certain amount for rent means they simply wont invest in rental properties because the market is setting the cost for the investor but the cost to the end user is artificially lowered meaning the investor probably cant charge what he needs to to make the profit margins worth the effort. If the rent is being controlled chances are rent prices will ultimately be lowered. 

I know landlords who arent millionaires. they are normal people trying to get ahead in life. hopefully I will be able to afford a rental property one day but all these regulations like rent control and not being able to evict people from your own property under certain circumstances make me think I would be better off investing my money in other ways. 

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Jokeshopbeard said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
Why automatically attribute malevolence to me when it could be a simple disagreement?



Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
--Hanlon's razor

I kid, but you did kinda walk into that one.

In all seriousness though; have you not noticed that you're the ONLY one in this discussion clinging to one side of it.

Now I'm not one to blindly follow the majority, but when you're in an environment of (reasonably) free thinkers and they're all pretty much disagreeing with you, you surely have to question that rather than to just blindly fight on?




No worries, I'm not at all offended by that particular quote. I think it's very wise.

1. What other people think does automatically affect what I think. My beleifs on this issue are deeply rooted in my values. I value natural rights very much. and when I'm arguing about effectiveness of governments vs markets I use examples from the real world to illustrate my points.

2. do you ever question whether or not you're blindly following the majority simply because if more people believe something you consider it more credible? because thats what it sounds like you are saying.why should someone change his beliefs simply because more people hold beleifs which contradicts his beleifs?

3. I'm actually addressing people's points. I'm trying to anyway there are alot of you so I apologize if I'm missing anything but some of it is fundamentally the same argument so I also try to stick to one stream of conversation at a time. I'm presenting counter arguments so I even if I have strong faith in my values I need to examine them in order to defend them and that's what I'm doing. If you scroll back through the conversation you will see many examples of that.

4. I'm challenging my beliefs literally as we speak. I'm opening them to scrutiny in an open forum.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26365438 - 12/06/19 04:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
do you ever question whether or not you're blindly following the majority simply because if more people believe something you consider it more credible?



No, because this:

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
My beleifs on this issue are deeply rooted in my values.



I'm pretty sure this generally goes for all of us, when it comes to our beliefs.

Doesn't mean that we shouldn't back down and re-address them once in a while.

I don't think I've ever seen you do that. Almost every post of yours that I can remember is you pushing some kind of 'well America does it this way, therefore it's right, and the greatest' type rhetoric.

Personally, I think your constant defense of what goes on here blinds you to many truths.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26365450 - 12/06/19 04:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

I believe that social fabric should be based on voluntary participation and consent



You voluntarily live in Canada. You are free to leave.



Well our constitution says the government cant compel citizens to leave.

but lets say I grant you that. you chose to live in America.

South Africa's constitution says housing is a human right. ...




Came into this conversation late, so may have missed it, and if so would appreciate a rough estimate of how many pages back to go
but what are your feelings on housing being considered a human right under Canadian law?

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Adequate housing, as defined under international law, is “the right of every woman, man, youth and child to gain and sustain a safe and secure home and community in which to live in peace and dignity.” This right is so much more than simply four walls and a roof over your head.

The Right to Housing and International Human Rights Law

The right to adequate housing, along with many other economic and social rights, is protected in the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, specifically Article 11 which details the right to an adequate standard of living and the continuous improvement of living conditions. The same rights are articulated in Article 25 (1) of the non-legally binding Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

There are many other examples of the right to adequate housing in other international treaties, such as the Convention on the Rights of the Child (Article 16 and 27), the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (Article 9 and 28), the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (Article 14 and 15), among others.

As previously mentioned, the right to adequate housing is much more than the physical structure of the house. Adequacy is determined by social, economic, and cultural elements, as well as several specific factors:

    Security of tenure: Regardless of the type of tenure (lease; cooperative housing; emergency housing, etc.), everyone possesses a level of security of tenure which legally protects against forced eviction, harassment, or other intimidations.
    Availability of services, materials, facilities and infrastructure:Adequate housing must contain the means necessary for health, nutrition, security and comfort. This includes access to safe drinking water, heating and lighting, sanitation facilities, food storage, site drainage, energy for cooking and access to emergency services.
    Affordability: The financial cost of housing should not be so high that it threatens the attainability of other fundamental rights and needs. Everyone has the right to be protected by appropriate means against unreasonable rent prices or increases.
    Habitability: Housing must be liveable in terms of protection from cold, damp, heat, rain, wind and other potential threats to health and wellbeing. It also must have sufficient space for living.
    Accessibility: housing must accommodate the special needs of disadvantaged groups such as the elderly, the terminally ill, people with physical or mental disabilities, and people with persistent medical problems.
    Location: Housing must be in a location which has access to healthcare services, schools, employment possibilities and other social services. Housing should not be built in polluted areas that threaten the health of inhabitants.
    Cultural adequacy: the construction of housing (including building materials and method) must take cultural identity and diversity into account.




http://www.cwp-csp.ca/poverty/a-human-rights-violation/the-right-to-housing/

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Adequate housing is essential to one’s sense of dignity, safety, inclusion and ability to contribute to the fabric of our neighbourhoods and societies.[3] As the Commission heard in this consultation, without appropriate housing it is often not possible to get and keep employment, to recover from mental illness or other disabilities, to integrate into the community, to escape physical or emotional violence or to keep custody of children.

    The right to shelter, to have one’s own bed to sleep in, a roof over one’s head, a place where one’s person and possessions are safe is a human right. It is essential to the preservation of one’s dignity and health – their own space in the world (Toronto Christian Resource Centre).




http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/right-home-report-consultation-human-rights-and-rental-housing-ontario/housing-human-right

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What the Legislation Won’t Do

1. It will not create an enforceable individual right to access housing:  During the development of the legislation, there was a debate as to whether the law would provide mechanisms for individuals to seek redress if they did not have access to housing.  The legislation contains no specific mechanisms for individuals to seek out access to adequate housing; there will be no federal tribunals or bodies that will hear such cases.  In this respect, the right is more of a collective right rather than a legally enforceable individualistic right.

2. It does not apply to provincial, territorial, Indigenous, or municipal jurisdiction:  The National Housing Strategy Act is a federal statute, and therefore has no jurisdiction over other orders of government.  There is no legal requirement for those governments to cooperate or respond to recommendations; and in fact, the legislation clearly states that the Advocate can only report and make recommendations on “measures respecting matters over which Parliament has jurisdiction”.  Any participation by other orders of government would be on a purely voluntary basis, and at this point, there has been little indication of interest on the part of other governments in doing so.

3. It is not constitutionally protected:  The National Housing Strategy Act is not a constitutional provision, and therefore in theory, the legislation and its recognition of rights could be rescinded by a future Parliament. Although abrogating the legislation would be politically difficult, there are no legislative or constitutional barriers preventing a future government from scrapping the legislation. 



https://chra-achru.ca/blog_article/right-to-housing-is-now-law-in-canada-so-now-what-2/

personally think some of the environmental challenges involved in living in a place like Canada really reinforces that housing is sort of tied in to a right to life and freedom
am similiarly aware of movements to declare high speed internet an "essential service" that all people deserve
due to the extreme integration in the moder job market and social spheres

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BANANA.MAN said:
...
I know landlords who arent millionaires. they are normal people trying to get ahead in life. hopefully I will be able to afford a rental property one day but all these regulations like rent control and not being able to evict people from your own property under certain circumstances make me think I would be better off investing my money in other ways. 
...




my father and step-mother own multiple rental properties in Montréal
where, to my comprehension, rental rights and controls have lasted longer

this is a yes and no situation tho
people always need housing, so it is a guaranteed manner to lockdown income by taking in rents
and typically you can still get away with bare-minimum repair jobs, cutting costs on materials, doing amateur work rather than hiring professionals

also, there are plenty of ways to bend the law
my father specifically used me as a family member to claim that tossing out existing tenants whose rents were low due to rent controls and being in the apartments since before my father bought out the property was appropriate
which allowed him to freely eject those tenants to make room for me under Québec laws of family accommodation
then turned around and broke the law further by charging me rent, when part of the law is "supposed to be" that tenants can be ejected, so long as you do not start making more rental money off the property

also, all this is heavily coloured by the fact that people at the lowest rungs of a given society do not have mobility between countries and citizenships
in the same manner that rich people do


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26365485 - 12/06/19 05:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Well our constitution says the government cant compel citizens to leave.

but lets say I grant you that. you chose to live in America.




I’m not saying you are forced to stay in Canada. I’m saying you are free to leave if you are unhappy with being taxed.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26365555 - 12/06/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
do you ever question whether or not you're blindly following the majority simply because if more people believe something you consider it more credible?



No, because this:

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
My beleifs on this issue are deeply rooted in my values.



I'm pretty sure this generally goes for all of us, when it comes to our beliefs.

Doesn't mean that we shouldn't back down and re-address them once in a while.

I don't think I've ever seen you do that. Almost every post of yours that I can remember is you pushing some kind of 'well America does it this way, therefore it's right, and the greatest' type rhetoric.

Personally, I think your constant defense of what goes on here blinds you to many truths.



exactly. we all have our own beleifs.

You havent been paying very close attention to my posts if thats what you think. I have been critical of many things America has done. in this thread and elsewhere. look at the top of the post you replied to for example. I constantly criticize American policy. 

My allegience isnt to America. Its to individual rights.

There are plenty of things America does wrong. but it was founded on the principals that I value. America has not always done the best job at living up to those principals. but that doesnt discredit those principals.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: koods]
    #26365558 - 12/06/19 05:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
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Well our constitution says the government cant compel citizens to leave.

but lets say I grant you that. you chose to live in America.




I’m not saying you are forced to stay in Canada. I’m saying you are free to leave if you are unhappy with being taxed.



Like I said I'll grant you that point. way to address the point I was willing to concede and not the main point of the post.

I'm not saying I'm forced to stay either. I'm saying the government cant claim the system is voluntary while also saying I cant be compelled by the government to leave. I can leave if I want to. That doesnt make the system voluntary.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26365571 - 12/06/19 05:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

charge what he needs to to make the profit margins worth the effort

This right here is the key to this whole conversation. What someone really NEEDS is not necessarily what they WANT. Greed has taken over morals/standards and needs. Does a high paid ceo need a private leer jet? I do not think so. Does a wealthy business man need a solid gold toilet seat? Not really, and so on....


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika]
    #26365583 - 12/06/19 05:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

I believe that social fabric should be based on voluntary participation and consent



You voluntarily live in Canada. You are free to leave.



Well our constitution says the government cant compel citizens to leave.

but lets say I grant you that. you chose to live in America.

South Africa's constitution says housing is a human right. ...




Came into this conversation late, so may have missed it, and if so would appreciate a rough estimate of how many pages back to go
but what are your feelings on housing being considered a human right under Canadian law?

Quote:

Adequate housing, as defined under international law, is “the right of every woman, man, youth and child to gain and sustain a safe and secure home and community in which to live in peace and dignity.” This right is so much more than simply four walls and a roof over your head.

The Right to Housing and International Human Rights Law

The right to adequate housing, along with many other economic and social rights, is protected in the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, specifically Article 11 which details the right to an adequate standard of living and the continuous improvement of living conditions. The same rights are articulated in Article 25 (1) of the non-legally binding Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

There are many other examples of the right to adequate housing in other international treaties, such as the Convention on the Rights of the Child (Article 16 and 27), the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (Article 9 and 28), the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (Article 14 and 15), among others.

As previously mentioned, the right to adequate housing is much more than the physical structure of the house. Adequacy is determined by social, economic, and cultural elements, as well as several specific factors:

    Security of tenure: Regardless of the type of tenure (lease; cooperative housing; emergency housing, etc.), everyone possesses a level of security of tenure which legally protects against forced eviction, harassment, or other intimidations.
    Availability of services, materials, facilities and infrastructure:Adequate housing must contain the means necessary for health, nutrition, security and comfort. This includes access to safe drinking water, heating and lighting, sanitation facilities, food storage, site drainage, energy for cooking and access to emergency services.
    Affordability: The financial cost of housing should not be so high that it threatens the attainability of other fundamental rights and needs. Everyone has the right to be protected by appropriate means against unreasonable rent prices or increases.
    Habitability: Housing must be liveable in terms of protection from cold, damp, heat, rain, wind and other potential threats to health and wellbeing. It also must have sufficient space for living.
    Accessibility: housing must accommodate the special needs of disadvantaged groups such as the elderly, the terminally ill, people with physical or mental disabilities, and people with persistent medical problems.
    Location: Housing must be in a location which has access to healthcare services, schools, employment possibilities and other social services. Housing should not be built in polluted areas that threaten the health of inhabitants.
    Cultural adequacy: the construction of housing (including building materials and method) must take cultural identity and diversity into account.




http://www.cwp-csp.ca/poverty/a-human-rights-violation/the-right-to-housing/

Quote:

Adequate housing is essential to one’s sense of dignity, safety, inclusion and ability to contribute to the fabric of our neighbourhoods and societies.[3] As the Commission heard in this consultation, without appropriate housing it is often not possible to get and keep employment, to recover from mental illness or other disabilities, to integrate into the community, to escape physical or emotional violence or to keep custody of children.

    The right to shelter, to have one’s own bed to sleep in, a roof over one’s head, a place where one’s person and possessions are safe is a human right. It is essential to the preservation of one’s dignity and health – their own space in the world (Toronto Christian Resource Centre).




http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/right-home-report-consultation-human-rights-and-rental-housing-ontario/housing-human-right

Quote:

What the Legislation Won’t Do

1. It will not create an enforceable individual right to access housing:  During the development of the legislation, there was a debate as to whether the law would provide mechanisms for individuals to seek redress if they did not have access to housing.  The legislation contains no specific mechanisms for individuals to seek out access to adequate housing; there will be no federal tribunals or bodies that will hear such cases.  In this respect, the right is more of a collective right rather than a legally enforceable individualistic right.

2. It does not apply to provincial, territorial, Indigenous, or municipal jurisdiction:  The National Housing Strategy Act is a federal statute, and therefore has no jurisdiction over other orders of government.  There is no legal requirement for those governments to cooperate or respond to recommendations; and in fact, the legislation clearly states that the Advocate can only report and make recommendations on “measures respecting matters over which Parliament has jurisdiction”.  Any participation by other orders of government would be on a purely voluntary basis, and at this point, there has been little indication of interest on the part of other governments in doing so.

3. It is not constitutionally protected:  The National Housing Strategy Act is not a constitutional provision, and therefore in theory, the legislation and its recognition of rights could be rescinded by a future Parliament. Although abrogating the legislation would be politically difficult, there are no legislative or constitutional barriers preventing a future government from scrapping the legislation. 



https://chra-achru.ca/blog_article/right-to-housing-is-now-law-in-canada-so-now-what-2/

personally think some of the environmental challenges involved in living in a place like Canada really reinforces that housing is sort of tied in to a right to life and freedom
am similiarly aware of movements to declare high speed internet an "essential service" that all people deserve
due to the extreme integration in the moder job market and social spheres

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
...
I know landlords who arent millionaires. they are normal people trying to get ahead in life. hopefully I will be able to afford a rental property one day but all these regulations like rent control and not being able to evict people from your own property under certain circumstances make me think I would be better off investing my money in other ways. 
...




my father and step-mother own multiple rental properties in Montréal
where, to my comprehension, rental rights and controls have lasted longer

this is a yes and no situation tho
people always need housing, so it is a guaranteed manner to lockdown income by taking in rents
and typically you can still get away with bare-minimum repair jobs, cutting costs on materials, doing amateur work rather than hiring professionals

also, there are plenty of ways to bend the law
my father specifically used me as a family member to claim that tossing out existing tenants whose rents were low due to rent controls and being in the apartments since before my father bought out the property was appropriate
which allowed him to freely eject those tenants to make room for me under Québec laws of family accommodation
then turned around and broke the law further by charging me rent, when part of the law is "supposed to be" that tenants can be ejected, so long as you do not start making more rental money off the property

also, all this is heavily coloured by the fact that people at the lowest rungs of a given society do not have mobility between countries and citizenships
in the same manner that rich people do



A right is something that cant be taken away. Not something that someone has a legal responsibility to provide for you from their own pocket. That is my view. it doesnt matter if it's cold. Nature is what's applying the pressure to rent a warm house. not any landlord. You have a right to life meaning your life cant be taken away. It doesnt mean someone has a responsibility toactively keep you alive. The government of course prevents your right from being infringed upon. nobody can actively take your life but nobody must actively provide for you oit of their own pocket aside from your parents until you turn 18.

It's interesting that you bring in the loopholes. Usually the people who oppose my views are mad about government loopholes (which Idk why I'm blamed for I dont want government to be so involved in our lives in the first place) they say there shouldnt be such loopholes so I just find it interesting that you are pointing to them as a good thing. Btw I generally agree with those people that the law should be more direct and less complicated.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26365597 - 12/06/19 05:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:
charge what he needs to to make the profit margins worth the effort

This right here is the key to this whole conversation. What someone really NEEDS is not necessarily what they WANT. Greed has taken over morals/standards and needs. Does a high paid ceo need a private leer jet? I do not think so. Does a wealthy business man need a solid gold toilet seat? Not really, and so on....



well have you looked at profit margins for landlords? a single dwelling is not nearly enough to support a family on. landlords arent just taking in bucketd of money from small amounts of investments and work.

If you think it would be worth your time then why dont you do it? why must everything be provided to you at someone else's expense? if you think it would be a good thing to do then why dont you go do a good thing?

maybe with rent controls he can only afford to pay himself minimum wage when hes not only invested in the property but probably done more than a minimum wage's worth of work, especially if he owns many dwellings.
by the way its not really hurting would be landlords all that much. they will just invest their money in different ways. It hurts the people who need housing because there is less of an incentive to offer housing and therefore less houding.


Edited by BANANA.MAN (12/06/19 05:59 PM)


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    #26365605 - 12/06/19 05:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26365626 - 12/06/19 06:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It hurts the people who need housing because there is less of an incentive to offer housing and therefore less housing.

...to offer AFFORDABLE housing. People want the max they can get at any cost, usually the cost of people who make less money and can not afford to live closer to a job or a decent neighborhood.

Like here in Denver there are neighborhoods that are pushing poorer people out because that area is a prime location to downtown and other things, so they offer the owners money to buy it, and then they put a bunch of money into it to lease it for the maximum profit instead of making less profit (although they can still do well)

and giving a decent place to live available to more people, not just wealthy people, but then the wealthy people who think they are better than everyone else make neighborhoods to house themselves so they can feel superior to others. They bubble wrap themselves to blind themselves to the world. Rich people don't care because they made it so they don't have to. Out of sight, out of mind. Some peoples actions are morally reprehensible, but there is nothing anyone can do to change these peoples minds, and a lot of them are in powerful positions whether they are in the limelight or not.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26365643 - 12/06/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
...
A right is something that cant be taken away. Not something that someone has a legal responsibility to provide for you from their own pocket. That is my view. it doesnt matter if it's cold. Nature is what's applying the pressure to rent a warm house. not any landlord. You have a right to life meaning your life cant be taken away. It doesnt mean someone has a responsibility toactively keep you alive. The government of course prevents your right from being infringed upon. nobody can actively take your life but nobody must actively provide for you oit of their own pocket aside from your parents until you turn 18.
...





So, if my comprehension is correct,
you view it as a requirement/responsibility of a parent to provide housing for their children

does that then extend to society washing hands clean of children and adult citizens who freeze to death?

and tho it is not related to housing directly
should government organizations be held responsible if their disregard for a citizen's living home
is not within reach, resulting in death?
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There are disturbing allegations that are poisoning relations between Saskatchewan's native communities and the Saskatoon police. They are quite astonishing. And if ever proven, they'd show natives are singled out for brutal treatment. The RCMP has been brought in to investigate the deaths of two native men found frozen, and the allegation of another that he was taken by police to the same out-of-the-way spot and simply left to find his way home.

February nights in Saskatoon can mean bone-chilling temperatures. Last month, the body of an Indian man was found near this power plant at the edge of town. Four days later, another discovery: another body found in the same area, frozen solid in this forest of powerlines. Lawrence Wegner was a half-blooded Cree Indian. He was found wearing jeans and a T-shirt.

"What would he be doing so far out of town with no jacket and no shoes? And what would anybody be doing that far out of town, period, in the middle of winter, you know?" one native man says.

Lawrence Wegner was last seen downtown on the streets. He was pounding on doors. Friends say he was high on cocaine. Around midnight, a passerby says he saw a man who looked like Wegner arguing with a police officer before being pushed into a cruiser.

"We used to call it a 'ride in the country' or a 'scenic tour.' A lot of friends I've had have been taken on scenic tours, you know," the man says.

They're also called "Starlight Tours": police driving drunk Indians out of town to walk home and sober up. The stories go back years. Some say it's an urban myth. And it might have stayed that way, except for one Indian man who came forward with a shocking charge, accusing police of dropping him in the same spot where the dead men were found. It was -22 C that night.



https://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/aboriginals/starlighttours.html

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It's interesting that you bring in the loopholes. Usually the people who oppose my views are mad about government loopholes (which Idk why I'm blamed for I dont want government to be so involved in our lives in the first place) they say there shouldnt be such loopholes so I just find it interesting that you are pointing to them as a good thing. Btw I generally agree with those people that the law should be more direct and less complicated.




Was not saying they are a good thing, was simply pointing out that they exist for people in landlord positions

as a moral judgement, my self-centered and egotistical 19-25 year old self loved it
people getting kicked out in order for me to get myself a 2-3 bedroom apartment
living it up being able to throw parties and have people in different rooms

as a moral judgement, my somewhat more experienced 30+ year old self thinks what he did was attrocious
people lost their homes for no reason other than my father whimsically deciding they were the candidate to kick out and move me in
he specifically moved me into multiple buildings to kick out people who were consistently on time and paying their rent in full
but who did not necessarily get along with my father and his wife at a personal level

landlords being able to pass judgement values on how much they like or dislike a tenant and having loopholes to kick them out on that basis
not on the basis of damaging an apartment or being delinquent on rent payments
leaves a distaste in my mouth now that used to be a joyful flavour


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26365655 - 12/06/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

And the landlords get tons of tax breaks etc...wealthy companies and businesses can house and feed all the homeless in unused houses, apartments, buildings etc....but there's no money in it for them! EXCEPT the tax break they get for keeping it empty, endless loophole of shit! Shitting on people that aren't as lucky or have had the opportunities available to others.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26365665 - 12/06/19 06:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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It hurts the people who need housing because there is less of an incentive to offer housing and therefore less housing.

...to offer AFFORDABLE housing. People want the max they can get at any cost, usually the cost of people who make less money and can not afford to live closer to a job or a decent neighborhood.

Like here in Denver there are neighborhoods that are pushing poorer people out because that area is a prime location to downtown and other things, so they offer the owners money to buy it, and then they put a bunch of money into it to lease it for the maximum profit instead of making less profit (although they can still do well)

and giving a decent place to live available to more people, not just wealthy people, but then the wealthy people who think they are better than everyone else make neighborhoods to house themselves so they can feel superior to others. They bubble wrap themselves to blind themselves to the world. Rich people don't care because they made it so they don't have to. Out of sight, out of mind. Some peoples actions are morally reprehensible, but there is nothing anyone can do to change these peoples minds, and a lot of them are in powerful positions whether they are in the limelight or not.



if you limit the amount of money a person can earn then that by definition decreases the incentive. its not affordable for the landlord if the landlord is making 11 000 a year in profit for the same work and investment that could make him more elsewhere.

Why is it their responsibility to provide housing at their expense? why isnt it your responsibility to house people?


because person A has more than person B, Person A is now legally responsible for providing for person B?

I think we should all feel a personal responsibility to help people. But legally we should be entitled to the fruits of our own labour and the voluntary exchanges we participate in.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Tantrika]
    #26365682 - 12/06/19 06:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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A right is something that cant be taken away. Not something that someone has a legal responsibility to provide for you from their own pocket. That is my view. it doesnt matter if it's cold. Nature is what's applying the pressure to rent a warm house. not any landlord. You have a right to life meaning your life cant be taken away. It doesnt mean someone has a responsibility toactively keep you alive. The government of course prevents your right from being infringed upon. nobody can actively take your life but nobody must actively provide for you oit of their own pocket aside from your parents until you turn 18.
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So, if my comprehension is correct,
you view it as a requirement/responsibility of a parent to provide housing for their children

does that then extend to society washing hands clean of children and adult citizens who freeze to death?

and tho it is not related to housing directly
should government organizations be held responsible if their disregard for a citizen's living home
is not within reach, resulting in death?
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There are disturbing allegations that are poisoning relations between Saskatchewan's native communities and the Saskatoon police. They are quite astonishing. And if ever proven, they'd show natives are singled out for brutal treatment. The RCMP has been brought in to investigate the deaths of two native men found frozen, and the allegation of another that he was taken by police to the same out-of-the-way spot and simply left to find his way home.

February nights in Saskatoon can mean bone-chilling temperatures. Last month, the body of an Indian man was found near this power plant at the edge of town. Four days later, another discovery: another body found in the same area, frozen solid in this forest of powerlines. Lawrence Wegner was a half-blooded Cree Indian. He was found wearing jeans and a T-shirt.

"What would he be doing so far out of town with no jacket and no shoes? And what would anybody be doing that far out of town, period, in the middle of winter, you know?" one native man says.

Lawrence Wegner was last seen downtown on the streets. He was pounding on doors. Friends say he was high on cocaine. Around midnight, a passerby says he saw a man who looked like Wegner arguing with a police officer before being pushed into a cruiser.

"We used to call it a 'ride in the country' or a 'scenic tour.' A lot of friends I've had have been taken on scenic tours, you know," the man says.

They're also called "Starlight Tours": police driving drunk Indians out of town to walk home and sober up. The stories go back years. Some say it's an urban myth. And it might have stayed that way, except for one Indian man who came forward with a shocking charge, accusing police of dropping him in the same spot where the dead men were found. It was -22 C that night.



https://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/aboriginals/starlighttours.html

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BANANA.MAN said:
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It's interesting that you bring in the loopholes. Usually the people who oppose my views are mad about government loopholes (which Idk why I'm blamed for I dont want government to be so involved in our lives in the first place) they say there shouldnt be such loopholes so I just find it interesting that you are pointing to them as a good thing. Btw I generally agree with those people that the law should be more direct and less complicated.




Was not saying they are a good thing, was simply pointing out that they exist for people in landlord positions

as a moral judgement, my self-centered and egotistical 19-25 year old self loved it
people getting kicked out in order for me to get myself a 2-3 bedroom apartment
living it up being able to throw parties and have people in different rooms

as a moral judgement, my somewhat more experienced 30+ year old self thinks what he did was attrocious
people lost their homes for no reason other than my father whimsically deciding they were the candidate to kick out and move me in
he specifically moved me into multiple buildings to kick out people who were consistently on time and paying their rent in full
but who did not necessarily get along with my father and his wife at a personal level

landlords being able to pass judgement values on how much they like or dislike a tenant and having loopholes to kick them out on that basis
not on the basis of damaging an apartment or being delinquent on rent payments
leaves a distaste in my mouth now that used to be a joyful flavour



No I dont think society shouldnt feel responsible for that. You're conflating society with the government. We should all help eachother, yes. But we should all be LEGALLY entitled to the fruits of our own labour and voluntary exchanges.

There should be charitable organizations that keep people warm. And you know what those are great new places to give money to. Thanks for the idea. I think I know where my next donation is going. 


You think its attrocious that your father invested alot of money in a property, allowed people to live there, and then eventually exited the deal he was in? I presume he didnt sign a contract saying the person could live there for a certain period then violated it. did he? unless he gaurenteed them that they can live there then broke his deal I dont see what he did wrong. He owns the property not the tennat and the tennant entered into the deal knowing that.

Why would your father pay to own the property if he didnt acctually have autonomy over his own property? seems like a bum deal if he takes on all the risk and has no say.

He was using his resources to enter in business deal, then the circumstances became such that those resources would be put to better use helping his family free of charge.


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26365686 - 12/06/19 06:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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And the landlords get tons of tax breaks etc...wealthy companies and businesses can house and feed all the homeless in unused houses, apartments, buildings etc....but there's no money in it for them! EXCEPT the tax break they get for keeping it empty, endless loophole of shit! Shitting on people that aren't as lucky or have had the opportunities available to others.



https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-bell-ca&source=android-browser&q=what+percent+of+taxes+ar+epaid+by+the+1%25

you keep talking about how the rich dont pay taxes. IDK what you're talking about the 1% alone pays more than the bottom 90% combined. they are clearly paying a disproportionate amount of taxes. infact the government is funded almost entirely by the 1%. so what are you complaining about?


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26365710 - 12/06/19 06:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

That is a lie put there to calm people down. I worked a yacht club in st pete fla, I can tell you from listening to those people, they do not pay those taxes.

I get what you're saying, but it's not morally right, and there is no way that we, or anyone else can make someone have a heart and morals. Legally or not. There will always be snakes sneaking in and eating all the eggs.


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    #26365715 - 12/06/19 06:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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That is a lie put there to calm people down. I worked a yacht club in st pete fla, I can tell you from listening to those people, they do not pay those taxes.

I get what you're saying, but it's not morally right, and there is no way that we, or anyone else can make someone have a heart and morals. Legally or not. There will always be snakes sneaking in and eating all the eggs.



I just showed you proof that they do. how do you think they came up with that data? a geuss? no they recorded the tax revenue for the year. thats the way it is. I'll take my actual source over your supposed random eaves droppings from god knows who.

I'm saying its not morally right to point the government gun at someone to coerce them to provide for people.


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