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330ci
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Re: What aspect of the psychedelic experience are you most grateful for? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#26351777 - 11/29/19 10:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not really a good example of an average person as I rarely dream at all. I have 3 slipped discs and am lucky to get a few hours of sleep a night, much less slip into the REM cycle. I don't wish everyone would get chronic pain or some sort of illness so they understood the daily hell I live with. I just wish society could be compassionate enough to understand that they don't have to take part in psychedelic therapy to allow others to reap it's benefits.I still don't think pot is accepted by the bulk of the public, but it's profitable and compromise has to be made somewhere in government. as time passes and more studies show the positive correlations between psychedelics and mental health, there's no other option than to decriminalize, and possibly legalize. Like you said psychedelics are far more powerful than pot so they might need slightly more regulation, but I don't see any scenario where they continue to lurk in the shadows without getting more positive recognition from society. we have to remember, pretty much every political and scientific advancement for psychedelic therapy has been since the 2006 John Hopkins study. The John Hopkins study was important for 2 reasons, 1 is how respected the institution, and 2 because of the fact that they found medical benefits from it, which directly contradicts the definition of a schedule 1 narcotic. when we put marijuana on the same time line, it was first legalized medicinally in california in 96, and has taken 23 years to get 33 other states on board;it took 16 years for the first state to legalize recreation afterwards. while denvers decriminalization isn't state wide yet for shrooms, it onlI took 13 years after the john hopkins study to make that decision. if they pave the way for shrooms as they did marijuana, things might happen faster than we think. of course this is all pure speculation, but if we don't pull psychedelics from the shadows, who will? I know I'll be branded as crazy for a while, but society will catch on. Same as they did with pot.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What aspect of the psychedelic experience are you most grateful for? [Re: 330ci] 3
#26353024 - 11/30/19 01:16 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psychedelics are bound now to get decriminalized and then legalized much faster than people tend to expect based on history. There's increasing awareness of the crucial "point" that they have medicinal value. And while we here already know they have medicinal value well beyond what's being studied currently, once that door opens it becomes inevitable because, well, people really like their medicine. And if there's some study that shows psychedelic "A" is gonna free you from crippling society anxiety (for instance) with maybe a few manageable side effects that sound not-so-bad then you can bet people with that sort of problem are going to be interested. Hell they already are but they come here instead...
Where potent psychedelic drugs differ from more mildly psychedelic ones like THC and the terpenes in modern weed is that weed doesn't tend to alter your basic psyche. Classic psychedelics can and do. So they change people. If those aspects can't be separated from the other benefits (and they haven't been yet) that limits their appeal to those who'd like their minds to change, as I think has been said.
What would really help spread mushrooms IMHO is legalization of sale and shipping of live cultures, not just spores. Then you could produce potent isolates for specific effects (as people like myself already do) and share them widely as cultivars, just like weed, without concern. Cultivars are how all agriculture mushrooms are spread. It'd be like (this is for you Bill ) having "dealer shrooms everywhere!" not just weak ass MS from grow kits or syringes sold by sketchy internet sites.
Then you could go to the local head shop and BUY a culture of "PE Texan Skunk Hybrid" or whatever right out of cold storage that was guaranteed basically to leave you on 1 g when you grew it out because it would have been cultivated to produce 10% psilocybin along with a host of other interesting related compounds (or something). That I think is the real future that's coming. This is what I can do right now with legal weed if I wanted to grow weed anymore, which I don't, mostly. I can get seeds and I can get cultivars.
Just think about how many different strains of weed have been produced by dedicated breeders. Same thing can happen with mushrooms. 
Right now I can mail spores with no worries but not cultures (still scheduled even though they really don't make actives). I only share cultures with personal friends who have a strong interest, the same as fruits. So I'm real careful about that. Legalization would bring a lot more people into the pool of those who'd conduct genetic experiments to find the best shit possible.
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Re: What aspect of the psychedelic experience are you most grateful for? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26353050 - 11/30/19 01:51 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think I just saw that MAOI's have been found to be produced in cubes I think? At least in small quantities. I can imagine that testing of the more concentrated fruits can lead to cloning and then an entirely different variety with a high psilocybin AND MAOI content.
I meant to come here and ask about that study\results cause that's pretty wild if true. Sorry to get off topic
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What aspect of the psychedelic experience are you most grateful for? [Re: LittleDipster] 2
#26353781 - 11/30/19 12:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I will make a new thread rather than go off topic on Bill. But you're looking for this probably.
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Re: What aspect of the psychedelic experience are you most grateful for? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
#26354924 - 12/01/19 02:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right on, Bill!
I’m most grateful for how mushrooms in particular are able to let me better tap into having important internal dialogue with my subconscious mind
Even in small doses. I love how they are able to break cycles of negative thinking and apathy that comes with life’s occasional bouts of mild depression. Essentially tearing down walls between your sense of self & subconscious to open up internal dialogue for an action plan. Before taking mushrooms I never fully realised how the conscious & subconscious mind could act as two seperate entities working against each other.
Even though taking shrooms with a lot of repressed negative feelings can be difficult at times, Seeing how it has the ability to bring all that bad stuff to the surface.. They have twice in my life so far come to help me internally confront & address deep rooted stress. Complex issues that could have other wise snowballed into some kind of depression. Basically such experiences felt like very successful psychotherapy sessions between myself & my subconscious.
Really fucking greatful that it can used as a tool to propel you & your subconscious in the right direction, At times where it seems to be working against you.
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Re: What aspect of the psychedelic experience are you most grateful for? [Re: Nickoloxious]
#26355623 - 12/01/19 01:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: What aspect of the psychedelic experience are you most grateful for? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#26364510 - 12/06/19 08:17 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Responding to the original question:
I used to be really sure that I knew what was true. I was dogmatic in my belief of religion and judged people. That got blown out of the water in a few hours and I've been much happier since.
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Re: What aspect of the psychedelic experience are you most grateful for? [Re: ermine]
#26365512 - 12/06/19 05:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im grateful for the healing and transformation of my self
Theres nothing worse than stagnation
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