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First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic * 1
    #26365327 - 12/06/19 03:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hello~

Included is a pic taken December 4 of five jars I inoculated on November 10. (P. Cubensis, Golden Teacher) I'm using the Brown Rice Flour TEK described on this site. Trying to figure out where I went wrong. There was no sign of mycelium developing until after two weeks. As you can see, there is only one jar with any substantial growth, and even that is limited.

The liquid spores I used came in very large syringes of 10 ml each. I found it impossible to figure out how to inject precisely 1/4th of a cc of spores into each of four jar holes, so I squirted out a bunch of the spores into a sterilized sauce dish, then used a sterilized 1 ml syringe, dipping the flame-sterilized needle into it before each injection. I hope this did not compromise the integrity of the spores.

Also, I used no light or heater. The ambient temp. in the room has been 68 - 59 degrees Fahrenheit.

My questions are: (1) shouldn't there by more growth of mycelium? (2) in the jar that has most growth, is that white substance what mycelium is supposed to look like? (3) what should I do now--move forward with that one jar (after the mycelium spreads more) and toss the others?

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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26365344 - 12/06/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think you should be patient. At those low temperatures it's going to take a min for your jars to colonize. Might want to bring the temperature of the room up to a constant 69/70 F

From what I can tell from your pics, 4th from the left is the one I'd be worry about. Others are looking ok (pics not the clearest).

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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: newtomyc]
    #26365377 - 12/06/19 03:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah the first one looks probly ok. Second looks like normal growth. The third can’t tell, fourth is garbage and 5th is suspect cuz of where the growth is.

All the extra steps you added prior to inoculation might’ve introduced contams. You don’t need to be that precise just watch the cc markings on the syringe they came in.

The colder temps slow things down but it’s been a long time.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: A.k.a]
    #26365492 - 12/06/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you, Newtomyc and a.k.a. for your replies. From searching the site it seems I made an error putting my jars in a cupboard, which has kept the temperature lower than it otherwise would be. I've just moved them to a high shelf in the living room and am using a space heater to boost the temperature.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26365734 - 12/06/19 07:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've moved the jars to a warmer spot and just taken another picture. Hopefully, this is clearer. Looking from left to right, jars #2 and #5 look promising to me. #4 is garbage. Hopefully #1 and #3 will start growing mycelium soon.



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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26366387 - 12/07/19 07:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

the way you inoculated is strange, although these jars might be fine if there was no contamination. personally I'd just use the spore syringe directly and plan on learning how to make your own later to save on costs during subsequent grows


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    #26367892 - 12/07/19 09:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, another question, for expert shroomers. How can I speed up the germination process? My sources say this usually takes from one week to one month. It's been three days shy of one month and the germination is barely begun in two of five jars. I've boosted the temperature by a few degrees for much of the time.

One book suggests one can speed the process up by shaking the substrate after the mycelium begins to show and again after the jar is halfway colonized. But the instructions I'm using, from this board, say that one should leave them alone "Your dry vermiculite barrier acts as a filter, and the more you move and disturb your cakes, the bigger chance you will shift your vermiculite barrier and let contaminates into your cake." Which is true?

Another question, should I throw away the contaminated jar right away? or is it okay to leave there for now?


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26368283 - 12/08/19 03:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a beginner, but I'll try

consider waiting on the jars that haven't germinated yet. it's best to leave BRF jars alonne. I;m worries taking mine off the shelf to look at every couple days will ruin them, let alone shaking. if your jar is contaminated, it's already a goner, get rid of it now


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: shroomgirl645]
    #26368328 - 12/08/19 05:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You can’t shake brf cakes, which is why most people use wbs/grains. It’s incredible how fast it can finish if it’s healthy once you shake it up.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: A.k.a]
    #26381275 - 12/14/19 12:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Follow-up question on germination stage, BRF Tek. About a week after taking them out of the cupboard, these things are still just not germinating fast enough. I can’t yet afford to buy a new space heater to keep on in that room to boost the heat up to the required 70 – 75 degrees. Is there an inexpensive grow light on a stand that I could buy that could heat a cupboard that is 53” tall, 24” wide, 10” deep? I’d like to put the jars them back in there, but until I have a heat source it won’t work. I’m totally bamboozled about where/how to find such a light, or even if it would work, without venting to the cupboard exterior. If you can provide a specific light type, brand name, or better yet, link to a product, please help. I inoculated on November 10, and at this rate, they'll never be ready.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26383438 - 12/15/19 02:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You could try a cardboard box on top of the fridge or water heater or hot engine.

Basically anywhere a cat would sleep.

It’ll grow below 70 just slowly. My grows have spent a lot of time in the 60 range.

Brf jars just take too long for way too title return ime. I made 3 for fun and they took 5+ weeks then another 10 days to harvest and I got just over 3 grams dried from one cake.

I’m leaving the third one in the jar for a few months to see how much stronger they are. I figure it’s already been this long why not.

If you have a syringe you would seriously probably be better off making a quart of wbs and doing a shoebox. I bet it flushes before the jar you made a month ago.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: A.k.a]
    #26383444 - 12/15/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You could also put jars of very hot water in the cupboard or box. That should keep the temp up enough changing once a day

Preferably in a cooler if you have one. Anything insulated will hold the heat.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: A.k.a]
    #26383921 - 12/15/19 06:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the suggestions. Well, as we have six cats in my house, all the places a cat would sleep are occupied ;-)

I agree that this method takes way too long. Don't know why the writer of the instructions seemed to imply otherwise, i.e., that germination would take between one and four weeks.

Fridge won't work as it's too close to the cupboard above it. Water heater is outside, won't work. I'm thinking of buying a heating mat and an indoor thermometer, as I saw that recommended on another site.

Not sure what "wbs" is?


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You could try a cardboard box on top of the fridge or water heater or hot engine.

Basically anywhere a cat would sleep.

It’ll grow below 70 just slowly. My grows have spent a lot of time in the 60 range.

Brf jars just take too long for way too title return ime. I made 3 for fun and they took 5+ weeks then another 10 days to harvest and I got just over 3 grams dried from one cake.

I’m leaving the third one in the jar for a few months to see how much stronger they are. I figure it’s already been this long why not.

If you have a syringe you would seriously probably be better off making a quart of wbs and doing a shoebox. I bet it flushes before the jar you made a month ago.




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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: A.k.a]
    #26383927 - 12/15/19 06:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I do have a large cooler they'd fit in. Hot water in a sealed glass container? or open? Would the steam help the process? I'd worry about no air getting into the cooler. I could leave the drain hole open, though...

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You could also put jars of very hot water in the cupboard or box. That should keep the temp up enough changing once a day

Preferably in a cooler if you have one. Anything insulated will hold the heat.




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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26384229 - 12/15/19 10:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Wbs is wild bird seed.

Yeah usually people will just use empty mason jars. So get a couple of whatever jars you used then fill them up with hot water and put the lid on.

Are you saying it hasn’t germinated yet?? Like no white mycelium at all?? Cuz that’s crazy I’ve never had spores take more than like five days before I saw growth.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: A.k.a]
    #26385091 - 12/16/19 12:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No, I'm not saying there's no mycelium, just way too little after five weeks. Here's a pic I just took. My understanding from the instructions I'm using is that you don't move to the next stage until the mycelium has pretty much totally taken over the jars--and that is far from the case, five weeks after inoculation.



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Wbs is wild bird seed.

Yeah usually people will just use empty mason jars. So get a couple of whatever jars you used then fill them up with hot water and put the lid on.

Are you saying it hasn’t germinated yet?? Like no white mycelium at all?? Cuz that’s crazy I’ve never had spores take more than like five days before I saw growth.




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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26385229 - 12/16/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hello! My experience recently, I  inoculated 4 jars with spores from a syringe, waited 5 weeks with absolutely no growth whatsoever! Ditched tose jars, started over with same species, different syringe from same supplier, waited 5 weeks with no growth again, during same time did several jars from same supplier, different species, after 5weeks, tossed all of them and got new spore syringes from another supplier and what a difference! Had jars colonizing within a week! I have now harvested a small flush already. Correct temp is a huge boost, like someone said earlier, low temps equal long colonizing times. I  am a noob and just sharing my own experiences, hope it helps



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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: Sikjakass]
    #26385424 - 12/16/19 04:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ok well at least you know there’s live spores.

Have you been marking the jars or anything to make sure they’re still growing?

Even at lower temps that seems extremely slow.
I really suggest starting a jar of grainspawn with seeds or oats if that’s possible, might as well get multiple projects going and at this rate you’ll be lucky to have anything by summer if at all.

If the jars are healthy I bet you’ll get ultra strong mushrooms though. Supposedly the slower they grow the stronger they are.

But seriously wbs is great. I got lucky and had one real fast grower and harvested my first shoebox 33 days from clicking the order button for syringes. Just imagine being able to mix up the mycelium you have now into the rest of the jar so it can spread faster.


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    #26385744 - 12/16/19 06:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I haven’t marked the jars, but I can tell there has been some growth, even just in the last nine days since I posted my first picture. Do you have a link to the wbs/shoebox method? I’m game for trying another approach while continuing to wait on this batch. And I’ve got plenty more spores.

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Ok well at least you know there’s live spores.

Have you been marking the jars or anything to make sure they’re still growing?

Even at lower temps that seems extremely slow.
I really suggest starting a jar of grainspawn with seeds or oats if that’s possible, might as well get multiple projects going and at this rate you’ll be lucky to have anything by summer if at all.

If the jars are healthy I bet you’ll get ultra strong mushrooms though. Supposedly the slower they grow the stronger they are.

But seriously wbs is great. I got lucky and had one real fast grower and harvested my first shoebox 33 days from clicking the order button for syringes. Just imagine being able to mix up the mycelium you have now into the rest of the jar so it can spread faster.




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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26386133 - 12/16/19 10:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Never mind. I found the info on WBS Tek on this site. Money's tight, so will have to wait as I don't have a fricken pressure cooker. BTW, according to Magic Mushrooms, by Hank Bryant & Israel Bouseman, incubation jars should be kept at 75 - 85 degrees. The instructions I am following did NOT say that, but IMHO should have. I would really like to find AUTHORITATIVE instructions so I don't waste an enormous amount of time doing things that DON'T WORK, or don't work as stated, in this case.


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    #26387130 - 12/17/19 01:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I stopped reading anything except for this site. There’s plenty of verified TEKs for everything.

When I first started I followed a tek from somewhere else which was fine all the way til the last step. Then It said to sterilize the casing layer which actually made it more vulnerable and I went from a beautiful shoebox to a crazy weird bacterial surface.

Check thrift stores or craigslist for cookers lots of people find them for like five bucks. Mine was by far the best thing I’ve bought in years not just for growing but I had no idea how easy it was to make great food in these one pots. I went from mostly frozen junk to tons of chicken rice vegetable mixes and stuff like that. Just throw the stuff in hit the button and come back in an hour.


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    #26433956 - 01/14/20 08:39 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

A couple more questions for experienced growers using the BRF Tek. I've just today transferred my cakes to the SGFC, more than two months after inoculating my jars. The plastic bin I'm using is not transparent; it turned out the original (transparent) one I bought was too cheap and kept splitting every time I drilled a hole into it, even when drilling into a wooden backing. So I have a gray Sterilite bin. My questions are two: (1) when fanning the cakes several times a day, should I take the top off first? (2) should I remove the top when I have the grow-light on? I question whether they'll get enough light with the top on.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26434046 - 01/14/20 09:47 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

If your SGFC is completely Grey, thats going to be an issue. Id suggest putting a bulb inside the chamber and zie tieing it to the lid. Or u can make a window on your lid then add some with some clear plexiglass/hard plastic. If not, your shrooms wont get enough light.

If thats too much trouble, u may need another tub to make a SGFC.

Couple tricks to avoid cracking: Drill slow, dont apply pressure, let the drill pull itself thru, use a glass bit (used for drilling glass). Also it may help to heat up the tub with a portable fan heater to soften up the plastic a bit.


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    #26434058 - 01/14/20 09:57 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

I have a cheaply made incubator that consists of two large totes (90qt or more) and an aquarium heater.  Basically you put a few gallons of water in the bottom of one tote, along with the aquarium heater, then you take the other tote and place it in the water in the first tote.  Set the aquarium heater to 80 degrees and throw whatever you want to colonize into the tote.  Put the lid on and you're good to go.  If your living conditions are a little on the cold side then you can take a bath towel or two and cover it up for extra credit.  This method has helped me quite a bit.


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    #26434063 - 01/14/20 10:01 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

With a little bit of searching you can build one for about 25 bucks.  I can fit 15 qt jars standing up and other 10 or so on their sides on top of that.


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    #26434065 - 01/14/20 10:02 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

BigSky needs a SGFC not an incubation chamber (which are outdated).


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    #26434082 - 01/14/20 10:08 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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BigSky needs a SGFC not an incubation chamber (which are outdated).



How do you suggest colonizing jars then?  I've heard you get consistently faster times at higher temps.  Not to mention I've noticed consistently faster times since I've used mine.  I'm not trying to contradict you, but I must be missing something.


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    #26434090 - 01/14/20 10:13 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

When I did cakes I used saran wrap as my cover for my SGFC.  It takes two strips placed together to be enough to cover the top but it's clear and can get plenty of light.  And it's easy to remove when you need to fan and mist.


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    #26434102 - 01/14/20 10:18 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

By using an incubator, u run the risk of growing infectious molds/bacteria, which is why its considered outdated/bad practice.

I have found that Incubators are nice for cold areas or if your grow area is semi cold (50F or less).

At 60F and up, jars grow just fine.

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    #26434130 - 01/14/20 10:33 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Thank you Wizzerd for this idea. What kind of results did you get? I like the simplicity of it.

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When I did cakes I used saran wrap as my cover for my SGFC.  It takes two strips placed together to be enough to cover the top but it's clear and can get plenty of light.  And it's easy to remove when you need to fan and mist.




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    #26434146 - 01/14/20 10:44 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

I had pretty decent results using that method for my SGFC.  I dont have pics anymore, otherwise I would share them.  But it made it pretty easy to see what is going on inside the SGFC without having to open the lid.


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    #26434150 - 01/14/20 10:49 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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By using an incubator, u run the risk of growing infectious molds/bacteria, which is why its considered outdated/bad practice.

I have found that Incubators are nice for cold areas or if your grow area is semi cold (50F or less).

At 60F and up, jars grow just fine.

U can use an incubator if u wish, just know there are risks in doing so.




I guess I never thought about the higher temps being a concern for other stuff to grow.  My apartment is a little on the cooler side where I live and theres times when i have trouble keeping my ambient temp above 65 degrees when it gets really cold outside.  All I can say is that my incubator has sped up my times for sure.


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    #26434178 - 01/14/20 11:27 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

If your apartment is cold/cool, then an incubator is not a bad idea. Just dont use an incubator during late Spring or Summer cause it will be too hot inside the jars!


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    #26440779 - 01/18/20 08:37 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Here’s a pic of my cakes that went into the SGFC last Tuesday. I’ve been misting them 3x a day, and fanning them about five times a day. Looking for input from cultivators experienced with the BRF Tek. Waiting for pinning to happen. The only thing I notice is some areas of whiteness, which my book suggests could be a sign of too-high humidity. I’m keeping the temp in here between 70F and 77, though overnight it goes down to between 63 and 68. I’m hoping the overnight lows won’t prevent fruiting; my guidebook says these won’t start pinning unless temps are around 75F.



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    #26440839 - 01/18/20 09:19 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

your book...is wrong. search pf teks here on shroomery. there is a ton of bad info out there but if you use this site’s search function limiting it to threads from only the past three to five years you’ll be alright.

here, i did it for you. this is the thread i was thinking of.

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    #26440901 - 01/18/20 10:07 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Thanks for the link. After reading it, and another embedded in it, it seems I was under the mistaken impression my cakes are getting too much moisture; now, if anything it seems they aren't getting enough. It helped to look at some pictures of cakes--dry, moist, and glistening with moisture.

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your book...is wrong. search pf teks here on shroomery. there is a ton of bad info out there but if you use this site’s search function limiting it to threads from only the past three to five years you’ll be alright.

here, i did it for you. this is the thread i was thinking of.

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    #26440905 - 01/18/20 10:13 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Remember to never mist on a schedule. You mist as needed. Evaporation triggers pinning and misting the SGFC as needed is the best way to do that.

That being said, its important to not let your SGFC completely dry out. Theres an area in the middle of wet and dry you want to be. I call it the "moist" level. Check that your perlite is still moist then mist your cakes/SGFC until it looks like morning dew on grass then leave it. Checking on it 3 times a day is a good amount :thumbup:

Your various ambient temps in your room are ideal for fruiting so congrats :thumbup:

Also, trim back your tin foil squares to a circle around the cakes. It helps the perlite work its magic around the cakes.


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    #26441265 - 01/19/20 07:28 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Kinda looks like a pin forming in the middle of the top of that cake to the top right. Could just be myc poking out though.


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    #26444635 - 01/21/20 10:53 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

It's been seven days today since I transferred the cakes into the SGFC and still no sign of pinning. I put the thermometer inside the chamber this morning to check on RH and in about 10 minutes it went up to 99. But after another thirty or forty minutes it is at 84, with a temp of 74.5. Temperature has averaged 70 - 77, sometimes dipping to low 60s between 12 and 7:30 a.m. I have been misting thrice daily, fanning 3 - 5 times daily. Isn't the RH optimal at 90 - 95? Should I be misting more each time I mist? Just in the last 48 hours since last posting I've boosted the amount of misting I do each time, from about 10 pumps to closer to 40.


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    #26444651 - 01/21/20 11:03 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

I’m far from a cake expert but that sounds like a lot of misting.


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Did you ever find that Tek?


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    #26445000 - 01/21/20 07:09 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Yes, I did. No new info there, for the stage I'm in, that I can see. I'm finding it necessary to mist 4x a day, at LEAST, in order to maintain RH above 90. I have not been monitoring RH until today. EvilShroom666's instructions,  which I've been going by, didn't say it was necessary to monitor the RH. But I'm doing it from here on out because it seems the RH has been too low. So I need to mist more often than 3x a day, and in greater quantity each time. That's my strategy for now, and patience.


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    #26445082 - 01/21/20 07:43 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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Yes, I did. No new info there, for the stage I'm in, that I can see. I'm finding it necessary to mist 4x a day, at LEAST, in order to maintain RH above 90. I have not been monitoring RH until today. EvilShroom666's instructions,  which I've been going by, didn't say it was necessary to monitor the RH. But I'm doing it from here on out because it seems the RH has been too low. So I need to mist more often than 3x a day, and in greater quantity each time. That's my strategy for now, and patience.




Evaporation is a pinning trigger and misting that often prevents evaporation from happening fully. Don't sweat the RH during the daytime, it will find its way up to 99% at night when light isn't drying it off.

If you're not at 99% RH an hour after the lights go out, then you can mist and fan, but it may actually be too wet.

Your mycelium aren't going to think of "leaving the house" if they keep getting home deliveries. When they feel like their supplies are drying up, only then do they get ready to go out shopping for more (pinning / fruiting).


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    #26445130 - 01/21/20 08:01 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

If I may..  I want to stop all the crazy and just say that I have been in your shoes Bigsky... First grow, BRF cakes are crazy because you are growing cakes from a Multi-spore inoculation. This means that there is no standard for how long they take to colonize. In my opinion you birthed them and probably dunked and rolled them as soon as you no longer saw any substrate in the jars. This means that the mycelium is still digesting your cakes.

  Personally I like to wait a week after full colonization before I dunk and roll my cakes. No big deal, so far no harm no foul. But you might have 3-4 weeks of them in the SGFC before you see pins. My first grow took a along time as well.

Imagine if you left them completely alone in the SGFC with a light on 24/7, one day you wake up and will have mushrooms. So i guess my point is the less you mess with them, the better your results will be. I mean, I just swabbed spores off a cart I once fruited on and was sitting in my shed in open air for 3 years and got growth on agar.

  My point is that mushrooms want to grow and fruit. The more you adjust climate and RH and light the longer they will take to do what you want.


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    #26445238 - 01/21/20 08:50 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Definitely agree there. You should only mist as needed, not on a schedule! This helps pinning with a cycle of evaporation.

Also, 7 days isnt a lot of time in the SGFC. Usually it takes about 2 weeks to start pinning depending how well consoldation went and how much varying humidity u have in your SGFC (more variance is better). U dont want your SGFC too wet or too dry. Gotta be just right which i call "moist" levels.


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    #26447247 - 01/22/20 09:48 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

I think you are right. After seven weeks I'd had enough. ES666's instructions said 1 - 2 weeks and I just couldn't wait any more. Plus they did seem thoroughly colonized, and, to be honest, I was afraid they'd DIE from lack of water. I'm a total NOOB and just ran out of patience.

So, now I'm clear that, YET AGAIN, not only will it not happen in one week but it will probably be three or four weeks, maybe months. Hell, I have NO EFFIN idea when/if shrooms will grow.

Next time I am definitely using an incubator for the germination stage. This whole process is taking too effing long. I'm committed to it, but damn, there's got to be a way to speed this up.

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If I may..  I want to stop all the crazy and just say that I have been in your shoes Bigsky... First grow, BRF cakes are crazy because you are growing cakes from a Multi-spore inoculation. This means that there is no standard for how long they take to colonize. In my opinion you birthed them and probably dunked and rolled them as soon as you no longer saw any substrate in the jars. This means that the mycelium is still digesting your cakes.

  Personally I like to wait a week after full colonization before I dunk and roll my cakes. No big deal, so far no harm no foul. But you might have 3-4 weeks of them in the SGFC before you see pins. My first grow took a along time as well.

Imagine if you left them completely alone in the SGFC with a light on 24/7, one day you wake up and will have mushrooms. So i guess my point is the less you mess with them, the better your results will be. I mean, I just swabbed spores off a cart I once fruited on and was sitting in my shed in open air for 3 years and got growth on agar.

  My point is that mushrooms want to grow and fruit. The more you adjust climate and RH and light the longer they will take to do what you want.


All I can say is nice job and remember that they will produce fruit on their time table, not yours.




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    #26447260 - 01/22/20 09:54 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

I'm misting on a schedule because I don't know what "as needed" means. The cakes always look the same to me, except right after I mist them, they look a bit darker, misted.

I'm gonna stick with ES666's instructions and mist three times a day and hope for the best. RH is typically at 67 - 84. It goes up to 95-99 shortly after misting, but doesn't stay there long.

Oh I don't doubt this is going to be longer than two weeks.

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Definitely agree there. You should only mist as needed, not on a schedule! This helps pinning with a cycle of evaporation.

Also, 7 days isnt a lot of time in the SGFC. Usually it takes about 2 weeks to start pinning depending how well consoldation went and how much varying humidity u have in your SGFC (more variance is better). U dont want your SGFC too wet or too dry. Gotta be just right which i call "moist" levels.




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    #26447300 - 01/22/20 10:27 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Just break them into coir, so much easier than cakes.


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    #26447590 - 01/23/20 03:54 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Misting as needed means you mist your cakes when they look dry. Similar to plants. You water them when they look like they need water or of the soil looks dry. If your cakes look dry or no longer are wet, then you mist them. Thats misting as needed.


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    #26447592 - 01/23/20 03:57 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Yeah, there is also a such thing as water logged cakes. So misting on a schedule is a bad idea. Let them sit for 2 days and mist.


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    #26447593 - 01/23/20 03:58 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Yup, gotta have some evaporation or u can water log your cakes especially if u are misting heavily on a schedule.

There was a recent thread with photos of a SGFC and u could easily tell it was over-misted. Cant find that thread thou, Mush Cult is so flippin' active :lol:


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    #26448557 - 01/23/20 04:34 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Came home to see some growth! Just as I was expecting to see nothing for another week or two...Hallelujah!

The Golden Teacher hath arriveth. This is not what I expected “pinning” to look like, but I’m not complaining.



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    #26448892 - 01/23/20 07:44 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Nice work!

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    #26449139 - 01/23/20 11:01 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

The pic isn’t very good. There are eight small shroom heads at the base of two of the cakes, none in the third cake.


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    #26458843 - 01/29/20 05:41 PM (4 years, 3 hours ago)

Six days ago small shrooms appeared on two of my three cakes. Now, at least one (the largest) cap is looking shriveled and dry. One problem I've had is I keep forgetting to turn the grow light off after twelve hours, so many days they end up getting closer to 14 or 16 hours of light. I have printed out SpitballJedi's Principles and Construction of SGFC's and used that info to modify my use of the SGFC, mainly by misting more often, i.e., when they are dry, which is often.

Is there anything else I can do, besides limiting light to 12 hours a day and misting more often, to make them thrive? Because they hardly seem like they're even growing anymore. I expected them to grow four or more inches but these seem in a state of arrested development. :-(



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    #26459151 - 01/29/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You might benefit from soaking your perilite. Like carefully remove all cakes and take your tub to the sink and just drench the perilite and let it drain for an hour then put the cakes back in and fan a little bit.

Also go ahead and pic those guys they are done and will not get any larger. Once the veil breaks they will start to rot and thats not good.


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    #26459332 - 01/29/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks, will do. Sure hope I can a decent flush out of these cakes.


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    #26459347 - 01/29/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Looks a bit dry in there. As suggested, wet the perlite, mist as needed. Before i mist, i check the perlite with my hand or just with my eyes. If it looks completely dry, i start pouring a water bottle all over it since Im nowhere near a shower/bathtub/hose. If the perlite is moist to the touch then i just mist only.

Ive also found that using two bags of perlite works a lot better than one. I have perlite filling 50% of my SGFC and i get pretty good flushes. So try that out.

Also dunk your cakes or bottom water inbetween flushes to help get moisture back into the cakes.


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    #26460488 - 01/30/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The SGFC is on my bureau top, with only a plastic yard waste bag underneath, so I can’t pour water directly onto the perlite without moving the whole chamber to my bathtub first. I’ve been palpating the cakes and perlite several times a day, and each time, both are dry, before I mist. Will dunk the cakes again before re-soaking the perlite and placing them back on top. Thanks.

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Looks a bit dry in there. As suggested, wet the perlite, mist as needed. Before i mist, i check the perlite with my hand or just with my eyes. If it looks completely dry, i start pouring a water bottle all over it since Im nowhere near a shower/bathtub/hose. If the perlite is moist to the touch then i just mist only.

Ive also found that using two bags of perlite works a lot better than one. I have perlite filling 50% of my SGFC and i get pretty good flushes. So try that out.

Also dunk your cakes or bottom water inbetween flushes to help get moisture back into the cakes.




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    #26460654 - 01/30/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, what he said. 

Do you have your SGFC elevated like on a brick to allow airflow to come up from the bottom through the perilite? It should be slightly elevated and the perilte should be wet.

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    #26463548 - 02/01/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, it’s elevated on half pint jars. I’ve harvested the first flush, soaked the perlite, and put the cakes back. One cake has a mold-colored area at the base that concerns me. I’ve been misting with a water /3 % hydrogen peroxide mix, 20/1 ratio. One cake has two pins already.

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Yeah, what he said. 

Do you have your SGFC elevated like on a brick to allow airflow to come up from the bottom through the perilite? It should be slightly elevated and the perilte should be wet.

  Also did you harvest that first flush cause they done man.




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    #26463553 - 02/01/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That coloring on the bottom of that could be just bruising from it being too dry inside the SGFC. Is it blue colored similar to Shroomery's modern color?  :shroomeryhead:


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    #26463792 - 02/01/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Below is a pic of the cake, on its side, yesterday.



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That coloring on the bottom of that could be just bruising from it being too dry inside the SGFC. Is it blue colored similar to Shroomery's modern color?  :shroomeryhead:




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    #26463811 - 02/01/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If it’s not mold it’s gone beyond bruising to rotting.


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    #26463852 - 02/01/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I guess that means it’s time to dispose of it then?

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    #26463891 - 02/01/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Lol idk I’ve only done a few cakes I’m not a huge fan.

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    #26464199 - 02/01/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah its heavy bruising. Keep it moist, it might still fruit.


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    #26465258 - 02/02/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I certainly never expected that after nearly three months, all I’d have to show for all my efforts was about three grams of dried shrooms. And this is the “easy” method of growing? If you’ve found an easier method do tell. OTOH, maybe they will start fruiting a lot any day.

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    #26465262 - 02/02/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Looks wet to me. Let it dry a bit before misting and don't throw it out. Just looks like some very potent myc


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    #26465302 - 02/02/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

lol that’s why I didn’t like cakes.

I think wbs to coir shoebox is the easiest method. You could shred your cakes into coir also.

I’ve posted this a few times but it’s perfect for this so...

My first grow I knocked up a few quarts of wbs and a few brf cakes.


The cakes took a little longer, and required way more maintenance.



By the time that first cake was done I already had this shoebox harvested and dried out.



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    #26466782 - 02/03/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think too much moisture has ever been the problem with these cakes. Every time I mist them the cakes and perlite have been dry to the touch before I mist. If anything, they were too dry because I rigidly adhered to the 3x a day misting prescribed in EM666's instructions, and because I shook out every drop of water from the original perlite when I made the SGFC.

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    #26468645 - 02/04/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’m getting a bad feeling about these cakes. I think they’re done. Below is a picture I just took of one on its side. And this isn’t even the cake I last showed a picture of. Advice? Comments? I think I’m ready to throw these out and start over.




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    #26468670 - 02/04/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Get that one out ASAP. Trich


I’d give it a day or two and if no more shows up shred them to coir in a shoebox or some small container.

That’s rough after so much time man. Go spend ten bucks at petco on three bricks of coir and some shoeboxes,I promise it’ll be the best thing youll ever do for shroom cult. Shoeboxes are pretty hard to not get at least a few doses out of ime, I’ve used dirty spawn, messed up the coir prep, let the myc on the surface dry and mat until it died, and still gotten at least a few doses out of each one.

Really any container laying around will work don’t even need to buy shoeboxes, they’re usually less than a dollar though.


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    #26468815 - 02/04/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for your suggestion. Is there a tutorial on this site as to how to do it? I've never heard of the method. This is where I could really use a book, or a detailed, step-by-step description of exactly how to shred BRF cakes into coir and how to go from there. I am continuing to search this site for such a tutorial. Haven't found one yet that explains it with enough detail.

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Get that one out ASAP. Trich


I’d give it a day or two and if no more shows up shred them to coir in a shoebox or some small container.

That’s rough after so much time man. Go spend ten bucks at petco on three bricks of coir and some shoeboxes,I promise it’ll be the best thing youll ever do for shroom cult. Shoeboxes are pretty hard to not get at least a few doses out of ime, I’ve used dirty spawn, messed up the coir prep, let the myc on the surface dry and mat until it died, and still gotten at least a few doses out of each one.

Really any container laying around will work don’t even need to buy shoeboxes, they’re usually less than a dollar though.




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    #26468819 - 02/04/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just read shoebox teks there’s a few.

All you do it hydrate the coir then break up the cakes as much as possible and mix them in, then level it out and put another thin layer of coir on top.

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    #26469015 - 02/04/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’m getting a bad feeling about these cakes. I think they’re done. Below is a picture I just took of one on its side. And this isn’t even the cake I last showed a picture of. Advice? Comments? I think I’m ready to throw these out and start over.




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    #26469027 - 02/04/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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    #26469070 - 02/04/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Would straw work? I already have plenty of that. Could boil it to disinfect it first.

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    #26469082 - 02/04/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

My bad that was for sure Mold. I guess I was hoping it wasn't.


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    #26469365 - 02/04/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldnt recommend straw. Coir is much better.

And throw out the trich cake. It happens sometimes :shrug:

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    #26469404 - 02/04/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I've read several of Shoebox teks and none seem to apply to my situation, with two BRF cakes (one with some mold on it) that I want to mix with coir and place in a shoebox. I also don't want to buy a whole bunch of new things--I've already bought a digital scale, food dehydrator, heating mat, coffee grinder, space heater, plus all the other stuff the PF tek requires--spores, SGFC, etc. 

So, I'm just going to follow your simple instructions below, which are simple, very simple. I don't have much hope for these cakes anyway.

I'm planning to repeat the whole BRF Tek process with another five jars and hopefully get a better result this time. From researching this site I think where it went wrong was the colonization was way too slow because ambient temps weren't high enough; so much time had passed beyond what was described as normal in EM666's tutorial that I opted to transfer them to the SGFC too soon, before the jars were fully colonized and consolidated.



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    #26469412 - 02/04/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Do not use the moldy one, it’ll insta kill the tub.

Whatever you end up doing just use about twice as much coir. Maybe three times if you’re feeling lucky.

The heating mat will prob hurt more than anything.

I feel you though I kept buying more and more shit lol, you can use literally anything for a container and just put foil over the top.

And yeah from what I’ve seen fruiting a partially colonized cake won’t end well.


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    #26478744 - 02/10/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I've finally gotten coir, and shoebox. Question re: the following coir tek, which I'm using as a guide: It says "1/6 coir by weight 5/6 water by weight 0/6 coffee 0/6 vermiculite."

I understand the water-to-coir ratio, but what possible meaning does "0/6 coffee and 0/6 vermiculite" have? I'm no math whiz, but in my calculus, 0/6 = 0, nada. So why mention coffee? or vermiculite? Does the mix need coffee or not, and if so, how much?

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24077162/fpart/all/vc/1

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Do not use the moldy one, it’ll insta kill the tub.

Whatever you end up doing just use about twice as much coir. Maybe three times if you’re feeling lucky.

The heating mat will prob hurt more than anything.

I feel you though I kept buying more and more shit lol, you can use literally anything for a container and just put foil over the top.

And yeah from what I’ve seen fruiting a partially colonized cake won’t end well.




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    #26478830 - 02/10/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Number 3 is toast. Definitely some mold growing in it


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    #26479262 - 02/10/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Another question: I’m planning to inoculate another five jars of BRF soon. Can I reuse the perlite in the SGFC? Do I need to disinfect it, or throw it out entirely?


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    #26479269 - 02/10/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I like to boil mine, but not a necessity because unless you had something nutritious land on it there is zero chances of growing contamination on it. Also when you are at that point in the process your are basically fruiting in open air and if fully colonized the cakes will not allow a contamination to take hold.

  You could run really hot bathwater and just rinse it in your SGFC.

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    #26479345 - 02/10/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I just rinse my perlite in a bunch of water :shrug:


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    #26480640 - 02/11/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks. I’ll try the hot bathwater. As for the apron, I made it myself. Or, at any rate, I added the lace trim to an otherwise plain apron.


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I like to boil mine, but not a necessity because unless you had something nutritious land on it there is zero chances of growing contamination on it. Also when you are at that point in the process your are basically fruiting in open air and if fully colonized the cakes will not allow a contamination to take hold.

  You could run really hot bathwater and just rinse it in your SGFC.

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    #26480712 - 02/11/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Looks dope!

Yeah to the CVG I usually eyeball it at this point so I'm not going to give good information on that topic. At some point withs subs you get so use to it you stop measuring things and it's only eyeball. But I always measure everything else, BRF mixtures and Agar when you start that process. Measurements are important.

So my coir... Chunk of a brick. Add hot water till it looks right couple of handfuls of vermiculite. I don't use coffee or anything else because you will HAVE to Sterilize it. I do not care what anyone else says coffee in your sub means you need to Sterilize it.


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    #26482312 - 02/12/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you for your information. I’m going to try to get this stuff mixed tomorrow afternoon. Thought it was going to be able to be done today, but I was overwhelmed by a tyranny of errands. I hope the mycelium in the cake is still good.

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Looks dope!

Yeah to the CVG I usually eyeball it at this point so I'm not going to give good information on that topic. At some point withs subs you get so use to it you stop measuring things and it's only eyeball. But I always measure everything else, BRF mixtures and Agar when you start that process. Measurements are important.

So my coir... Chunk of a brick. Add hot water till it looks right couple of handfuls of vermiculite. I don't use coffee or anything else because you will HAVE to Sterilize it. I do not care what anyone else says coffee in your sub means you need to Sterilize it.




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    #26487375 - 02/15/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, about 48 hours ago I mixed 3.6 oz. coir with 18 oz. boiling water, mixed and let it sit for 15 minutes. Then I mixed in two handfuls of vermiculite. I broke up the sole remaining good BRF cake I had and mixed it in, after it had cooled down about 15 - 20 minutes. Then I put the mixture into a plastic shoebox. I'd separated out about a cup or more of the coir+verm mix to put on top, and I put that on the top layer. I did pat it down but very lightly. Since then I've kept the lid on, unlatched, and kept it under light in an approximate 12 on 12 off cycle. Questions: Anything more I should be doing? Should I take the lid off? Does it need overhead grow light or should I leave that off?


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    #26487429 - 02/15/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sure it's fine, but I usually let my CVG cool longer before adding cakes or spawn. So I'm old school and apparently the new school of thought is to put it in 12/12 and let it start to fruit? :shrug:


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    #26487475 - 02/15/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I wondered about whether I should let it cool longer. And, I’m not using gypsum.


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    #26487488 - 02/15/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Not sure if mycelium can handle high temps. I woukd think 90F is around the safe limit.

Once in the shoebox, u just wait and check on it once a day, and spray water if needed. But dont soak it. Just a light misting.


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    #26487535 - 02/15/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I never use gypsm it's just a PH stabilizer.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26488621 - 02/16/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Here’s a pic I took today, almost 72 hours after setting the box up. I notice A couple areas of white fuzziness. I haven’t felt the need to spray it yet. I’ve seen signs of condensation on the inside  and top of the box.




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Not sure if mycelium can handle high temps. I woukd think 90F is around the safe limit.

Once in the shoebox, u just wait and check on it once a day, and spray water if needed. But dont soak it. Just a light misting.



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Not sure if mycelium can handle high temps. I woukd think 90F is around the safe limit.

Once in the shoebox, u just wait and check on it once a day, and spray water if needed. But dont soak it. Just a light misting.




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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26488701 - 02/16/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You shouldn't be spraying that at all fyi.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: mushboy]
    #26490220 - 02/17/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, thanks, good to know.

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You shouldn't be spraying that at all fyi.




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    #26519291 - 03/05/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Three & a half weeks ago I put up this shoebox of coir, verm. and the sole remaining uncontaminated BRF cake. Until about a week ago I'd maintained the temp at 70 - 75 degrees in the room, and then I started overloading a circuit repeatedly due to the space heater, so I stopped using it. Nothing appeared to be happening with this box anyway. The ambient temp is usu. about 59 - 67 F in there since then.

I have not misted this box at all. There has always been signs of condensation inside the side of the box.

Is it time to throw this away? I'm seeing a sign of what could be mold on some mycelium and nothing seems to be happening with this anyway. I'm SO discouraged with all my shroom growing efforts since November, I just need to vent. Why did I think shroom growing would be easy? Will have to give up further efforts until mid-April because I'm going out of town for about three nights in April.



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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26519303 - 03/05/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It doesnt look good.

Did u use all your PF cakes for these shoeboxes? Did you go "all in"?

One of the toughest parts of cultivation is unwanted infections. They will ruin any grow and must be managed.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26519318 - 03/05/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes it is time. You have green in it. I don't know why everyone keeps saying break up your cakes and fruit in a shoe box. Makes me want to make a post to explain why this is a terrible idea.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26520396 - 03/06/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I used the one remaining PF cake for the box. And it has utterly failed.

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It doesnt look good.

Did u use all your PF cakes for these shoeboxes? Did you go "all in"?

One of the toughest parts of cultivation is unwanted infections. They will ruin any grow and must be managed.




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