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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26444733 - 01/21/20 11:57 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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    #26445000 - 01/21/20 07:09 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Yes, I did. No new info there, for the stage I'm in, that I can see. I'm finding it necessary to mist 4x a day, at LEAST, in order to maintain RH above 90. I have not been monitoring RH until today. EvilShroom666's instructions,  which I've been going by, didn't say it was necessary to monitor the RH. But I'm doing it from here on out because it seems the RH has been too low. So I need to mist more often than 3x a day, and in greater quantity each time. That's my strategy for now, and patience.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind] * 1
    #26445082 - 01/21/20 07:43 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Yes, I did. No new info there, for the stage I'm in, that I can see. I'm finding it necessary to mist 4x a day, at LEAST, in order to maintain RH above 90. I have not been monitoring RH until today. EvilShroom666's instructions,  which I've been going by, didn't say it was necessary to monitor the RH. But I'm doing it from here on out because it seems the RH has been too low. So I need to mist more often than 3x a day, and in greater quantity each time. That's my strategy for now, and patience.




Evaporation is a pinning trigger and misting that often prevents evaporation from happening fully. Don't sweat the RH during the daytime, it will find its way up to 99% at night when light isn't drying it off.

If you're not at 99% RH an hour after the lights go out, then you can mist and fan, but it may actually be too wet.

Your mycelium aren't going to think of "leaving the house" if they keep getting home deliveries. When they feel like their supplies are drying up, only then do they get ready to go out shopping for more (pinning / fruiting).


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: MerryMoose]
    #26445130 - 01/21/20 08:01 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

If I may..  I want to stop all the crazy and just say that I have been in your shoes Bigsky... First grow, BRF cakes are crazy because you are growing cakes from a Multi-spore inoculation. This means that there is no standard for how long they take to colonize. In my opinion you birthed them and probably dunked and rolled them as soon as you no longer saw any substrate in the jars. This means that the mycelium is still digesting your cakes.

  Personally I like to wait a week after full colonization before I dunk and roll my cakes. No big deal, so far no harm no foul. But you might have 3-4 weeks of them in the SGFC before you see pins. My first grow took a along time as well.

Imagine if you left them completely alone in the SGFC with a light on 24/7, one day you wake up and will have mushrooms. So i guess my point is the less you mess with them, the better your results will be. I mean, I just swabbed spores off a cart I once fruited on and was sitting in my shed in open air for 3 years and got growth on agar.

  My point is that mushrooms want to grow and fruit. The more you adjust climate and RH and light the longer they will take to do what you want.


All I can say is nice job and remember that they will produce fruit on their time table, not yours.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: MerryMoose]
    #26445238 - 01/21/20 08:50 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Definitely agree there. You should only mist as needed, not on a schedule! This helps pinning with a cycle of evaporation.

Also, 7 days isnt a lot of time in the SGFC. Usually it takes about 2 weeks to start pinning depending how well consoldation went and how much varying humidity u have in your SGFC (more variance is better). U dont want your SGFC too wet or too dry. Gotta be just right which i call "moist" levels.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: Sockadin]
    #26447247 - 01/22/20 09:48 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

I think you are right. After seven weeks I'd had enough. ES666's instructions said 1 - 2 weeks and I just couldn't wait any more. Plus they did seem thoroughly colonized, and, to be honest, I was afraid they'd DIE from lack of water. I'm a total NOOB and just ran out of patience.

So, now I'm clear that, YET AGAIN, not only will it not happen in one week but it will probably be three or four weeks, maybe months. Hell, I have NO EFFIN idea when/if shrooms will grow.

Next time I am definitely using an incubator for the germination stage. This whole process is taking too effing long. I'm committed to it, but damn, there's got to be a way to speed this up.

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If I may..  I want to stop all the crazy and just say that I have been in your shoes Bigsky... First grow, BRF cakes are crazy because you are growing cakes from a Multi-spore inoculation. This means that there is no standard for how long they take to colonize. In my opinion you birthed them and probably dunked and rolled them as soon as you no longer saw any substrate in the jars. This means that the mycelium is still digesting your cakes.

  Personally I like to wait a week after full colonization before I dunk and roll my cakes. No big deal, so far no harm no foul. But you might have 3-4 weeks of them in the SGFC before you see pins. My first grow took a along time as well.

Imagine if you left them completely alone in the SGFC with a light on 24/7, one day you wake up and will have mushrooms. So i guess my point is the less you mess with them, the better your results will be. I mean, I just swabbed spores off a cart I once fruited on and was sitting in my shed in open air for 3 years and got growth on agar.

  My point is that mushrooms want to grow and fruit. The more you adjust climate and RH and light the longer they will take to do what you want.


All I can say is nice job and remember that they will produce fruit on their time table, not yours.




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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26447260 - 01/22/20 09:54 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

I'm misting on a schedule because I don't know what "as needed" means. The cakes always look the same to me, except right after I mist them, they look a bit darker, misted.

I'm gonna stick with ES666's instructions and mist three times a day and hope for the best. RH is typically at 67 - 84. It goes up to 95-99 shortly after misting, but doesn't stay there long.

Oh I don't doubt this is going to be longer than two weeks.

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Definitely agree there. You should only mist as needed, not on a schedule! This helps pinning with a cycle of evaporation.

Also, 7 days isnt a lot of time in the SGFC. Usually it takes about 2 weeks to start pinning depending how well consoldation went and how much varying humidity u have in your SGFC (more variance is better). U dont want your SGFC too wet or too dry. Gotta be just right which i call "moist" levels.




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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26447300 - 01/22/20 10:27 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Just break them into coir, so much easier than cakes.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26447590 - 01/23/20 03:54 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Misting as needed means you mist your cakes when they look dry. Similar to plants. You water them when they look like they need water or of the soil looks dry. If your cakes look dry or no longer are wet, then you mist them. Thats misting as needed.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26447592 - 01/23/20 03:57 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Yeah, there is also a such thing as water logged cakes. So misting on a schedule is a bad idea. Let them sit for 2 days and mist.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: Sockadin]
    #26447593 - 01/23/20 03:58 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Yup, gotta have some evaporation or u can water log your cakes especially if u are misting heavily on a schedule.

There was a recent thread with photos of a SGFC and u could easily tell it was over-misted. Cant find that thread thou, Mush Cult is so flippin' active :lol:


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26448557 - 01/23/20 04:34 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Came home to see some growth! Just as I was expecting to see nothing for another week or two...Hallelujah!

The Golden Teacher hath arriveth. This is not what I expected “pinning” to look like, but I’m not complaining.



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    #26448892 - 01/23/20 07:44 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Nice work!

Patience wins in the End :thumbup:


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26449139 - 01/23/20 11:01 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

The pic isn’t very good. There are eight small shroom heads at the base of two of the cakes, none in the third cake.


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    #26458843 - 01/29/20 05:41 PM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

Six days ago small shrooms appeared on two of my three cakes. Now, at least one (the largest) cap is looking shriveled and dry. One problem I've had is I keep forgetting to turn the grow light off after twelve hours, so many days they end up getting closer to 14 or 16 hours of light. I have printed out SpitballJedi's Principles and Construction of SGFC's and used that info to modify my use of the SGFC, mainly by misting more often, i.e., when they are dry, which is often.

Is there anything else I can do, besides limiting light to 12 hours a day and misting more often, to make them thrive? Because they hardly seem like they're even growing anymore. I expected them to grow four or more inches but these seem in a state of arrested development. :-(



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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind] * 1
    #26459151 - 01/29/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You might benefit from soaking your perilite. Like carefully remove all cakes and take your tub to the sink and just drench the perilite and let it drain for an hour then put the cakes back in and fan a little bit.

Also go ahead and pic those guys they are done and will not get any larger. Once the veil breaks they will start to rot and thats not good.


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    #26459332 - 01/29/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks, will do. Sure hope I can a decent flush out of these cakes.


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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26459347 - 01/29/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Looks a bit dry in there. As suggested, wet the perlite, mist as needed. Before i mist, i check the perlite with my hand or just with my eyes. If it looks completely dry, i start pouring a water bottle all over it since Im nowhere near a shower/bathtub/hose. If the perlite is moist to the touch then i just mist only.

Ive also found that using two bags of perlite works a lot better than one. I have perlite filling 50% of my SGFC and i get pretty good flushes. So try that out.

Also dunk your cakes or bottom water inbetween flushes to help get moisture back into the cakes.


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    #26460488 - 01/30/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The SGFC is on my bureau top, with only a plastic yard waste bag underneath, so I can’t pour water directly onto the perlite without moving the whole chamber to my bathtub first. I’ve been palpating the cakes and perlite several times a day, and each time, both are dry, before I mist. Will dunk the cakes again before re-soaking the perlite and placing them back on top. Thanks.

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Looks a bit dry in there. As suggested, wet the perlite, mist as needed. Before i mist, i check the perlite with my hand or just with my eyes. If it looks completely dry, i start pouring a water bottle all over it since Im nowhere near a shower/bathtub/hose. If the perlite is moist to the touch then i just mist only.

Ive also found that using two bags of perlite works a lot better than one. I have perlite filling 50% of my SGFC and i get pretty good flushes. So try that out.

Also dunk your cakes or bottom water inbetween flushes to help get moisture back into the cakes.




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Re: First-Time Brown Rice Flour TEK Question / Pic [Re: BigSkyMind]
    #26460518 - 01/30/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Palpating the cakes?


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