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christopera
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How is self help the new “retarded”, do you care to elaborate?
Also, do you have proof that astronauts and presidents are too busy reading self helps books to write them? There’s quite a number of books by people in those positions that have already been published. None of them are self help.
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morrowasted said: anyway I listened to some of his stuff when he first blew up in 2016 or 2017 following the canadian law that supposedly made it illegal for teachers to "misgender" students
IDK how I feel about all that but AFAIK nobody has been prosecuted under that law
All I know is when you press him on his religious ideas he just says variations on the theme of "Well I think you're just not thinking about it deeply enough"
ok bro
As a transwoman, get uniquely labelled as both a bigot and truscum for my position on this but do not think that it makes sense to have a legal attempt at proliferation of pronouns do respect that there are non-binary individuals who insist that "they" is not good enough for them but also recognize that language evolves at a rate relative to accepted use, not relative to dictated terms
of course, also have the benefit that "true" scotswomen transwomen and transmen were never portrayed as an issue to him because typically we both want to be identified by a traditional term and take as many steps as possible to meet up with the expected associations of our gender rather than seeking to inject Peterson's much feared "Chaos" into the system
with that said, have similiarly not heard of anyone being impacted by this law in the manner he proposed we would be seeing a proliferation of
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Tantrika
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RJ Tubs 202 said: We live in an age of victimization, where we blame unhappiness on everything but ourselves. We blame our parents. We blame our genes. We blame the fucked up country we live in. We blame our "chemical imbalances" for disturbing emotions. Blame blame blame. This is where we are as a species. We usually sit on the golden throne of condemnation and blame anything and everything but ourselves. But we are the cause of our problems. Fighter pilots, astronauts, and presidents don't publish self help books because they are too busy reading them. "Self Help" is the new "RETARDED" - let's discuss why we bash helping ourselves instead of pointing the finger of blame. We must destroy these cultural beliefs propping up the flawed irrational concepts of victimhood.
The biggest problem with self-help is that so many things get labeled under it, it is difficult to consider what may or may not be "valid"
have picked up a guide to walking meditation and a guide of how to use Seduction to exploit people and gain power in the same self-help section of a Chapters
the Seduction book ended up being a companion-piece to another title (that I have not read) known as the 48 laws of power and apparently the 48 laws is for masculine individuals seeking social status while the Seduction book is all about lessons in soft-power and how to pull strings from behind the scene when you don't have the social currency and power to do so openly (under the laws of power)
having read through my purchases (this was several years ago, after all) would argue that both help people get ahead or find more comfort and fluidity in the social sphere but the walking meditation guide was not full of messaging about how the way to help yourself is to exploit others
recall a similiar sentiment in reading the famous "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" book it's supposed to teach the reader how to view the world through a lens of making money work for you but even right at the start, the author talks about how intelligent it was for his "Rich Dad" to teach him about wealth by exploiting child labour in his shops
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: Tantrika] 2
#26373690 - 12/10/19 05:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It seems that many self help books are imperfect authors painting a picture of who they want to be, telling the story of their quest to better themselves, whether they realize it or not. I've seen Meditations by Marcus Aurelius in self-help sections before. It makes sense that they resonate with so many people... if someone 'perfect' was writing the book then the content probably wouldn't be relatable in the first place.
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vault123
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I don’t know, I don’t trust anyone who advocates for the use of cocaine.
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Loaded Shaman
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By our logic, aren't self-help authors just slightly-less fucked up individuals panning to slightly-more fucked up individuals? I'm always weary of people obsessed with helping other people at all costs; that's a huge sign too. LET ME HELP YOU I HAVE A SOLUTION!! Go away, lol.
If it helps, it helps. Weird to think about.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: We live in an age of victimization, where we blame unhappiness on everything but ourselves. We blame our parents. We blame our genes. We blame the fucked up country we live in. We blame our "chemical imbalances" for disturbing emotions. Blame blame blame. This is where we are as a species. We usually sit on the golden throne of condemnation and blame anything and everything but ourselves. But we are the cause of our problems. Fighter pilots, astronauts, and presidents don't publish self help books because they are too busy reading them. "Self Help" is the new "RETARDED" - let's discuss why we bash helping ourselves instead of pointing the finger of blame. We must destroy these cultural beliefs propping up the flawed irrational concepts of victimhood.
This is so spot the fuck on.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: vault123] 1
#26374642 - 12/11/19 09:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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vault123 said: I think philosophy is for stupid people.

Why do you think it’s for stupid people. Your chart says the opposite.
Imagine if those smart people did something useful and didn’t get a degree in naval gazing
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: koods]
#26374700 - 12/11/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmm, I'm about 110 so I'm right on spot on the graph for a nurse.
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I'm about 130 so my interest in philosophy agrees with the graph. Or vice versa. Whatever.
I'm still baffled by the pervading attitude towards 'self-help', 'philosophy' and 'Jordan Peterson'.
Incredibly enlightened by this new knowledge as to people, but baffled nonetheless.
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It should be no surprise that those who are at war with reality because it doesn't align with their beliefs would take issue with the field of study devoted to rational thought
They are irrational so it enrages them
They are so ignorant they think they are the geniuses because they ride a special shorter bus than the other kids and their mom calls em special
as we can see by Einstein using a graph to disprove his own point because he is too ignorant to understand how to read a graph
The ignorance is terminal and its best to let these people just be alone and not interact with them as they will do all they can to drag others down to their stupid level because in the back of thier minds they know they are fuck ups and they cant stand the success of others
Notice these same people will often rant about "billionaires" and "the 1%" as they sit and steep in their own miserable lives without doing anything to better themselves
You are better than them and that is the truth
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"billionaires" and "the 1%
Are a whole different "ball game" friend. Pure evil incarnate.
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tyrannicalrex said: Hmm, I'm about 110 so I'm right on spot on the graph for a nurse.

and 80% female
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tyrannicalrex
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I have women tell me all the time I'm the straightest "gay" guy they ever met, lol.
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I'm no spring chicken and i've gone through the usual life changing events such as death of loved ones, divorce, career loss, body part loss (from shrapnel), homelessness, etc.
Until I hit the mothership of all rain storms that even I nor others could pull me out of... until I started to give Peterson a chance.
The SOB gave one advice that I haven't tried before... and it worked. The man isn't perfect but he is really helping people. Maybe he sounds preachy and people form a cult based on his views but that is irrelevant to me because if you have any sense, you'd weed the BS out to find those gems that work for you.
If you are focused about the whole cult and preaching thing then maybe you have too much time on your hands.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: LikeMyc] 1
#26374811 - 12/11/19 10:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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LikeMyc said: The SOB gave one advice that I haven't tried before... and it worked. The man isn't perfect but he is really helping people. Maybe he sounds preachy and people form a cult based on his views but that is irrelevant to me because if you have any sense, you'd weed the BS out to find those gems that work for you.
Here Here!
Great post man, I like the way you prefaced by explaining that you undoubtedly know just how bad the human experience can get, and how far one can fall when life throws its inevitable tragedies your way.
Welcome to the Shroomery, I appreciate your realness.
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vault123
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Are you certain that’s the reason Einstein used a graph to disprove his own point?
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koods
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CornboySavage said: It should be no surprise that those who are at war with reality because it doesn't align with their beliefs would take issue with the field of study devoted to rational thought
They are irrational so it enrages them
They are so ignorant they think they are the geniuses because they ride a special shorter bus than the other kids and their mom calls em special
as we can see by Einstein using a graph to disprove his own point because he is too ignorant to understand how to read a graph
The ignorance is terminal and its best to let these people just be alone and not interact with them as they will do all they can to drag others down to their stupid level because in the back of thier minds they know they are fuck ups and they cant stand the success of others
Notice these same people will often rant about "billionaires" and "the 1%" as they sit and steep in their own miserable lives without doing anything to better themselves
You are better than them and that is the truth
Ha. You’re unhinged
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: koods]
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Wtf is wrong with u guys why does everything have to be some major flip out shit show over nothing. Who gives a shit about jordan fucking Peterson. The kids right psychology is fucking stupid and only idiots major in it.
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tyrannicalrex
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Wtf is wrong with u guys why does everything have to be some major flip out shit show over nothing. Who gives a shit about jordan fucking Peterson.
Agreed.
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vault123
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: koods]
#26375144 - 12/11/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Does it?
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