Home | Community | Message Board

Kratom Eye
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder, Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Next >  [ show all ]
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 4 days, 49 minutes
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: lowbrow] * 3
    #26372701 - 12/10/19 09:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

JP's philosophy can be summed up in 5 words

"Well you see, uh, it's complicated..."



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 4 days, 49 minutes
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: morrowasted]
    #26372712 - 12/10/19 09:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

anyway I listened to some of his stuff when he first blew up in 2016 or 2017 following the canadian law that supposedly made it illegal for teachers to "misgender" students

IDK how I feel about all that but AFAIK nobody has been prosecuted under that law

All I know is when you press him on his religious ideas he just says variations on the theme of "Well I think you're just not thinking about it deeply enough"

ok bro


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinechristopera
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/13/17
Posts: 14,201
Last seen: 1 hour, 40 minutes
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: morrowasted]
    #26372762 - 12/10/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Peterson's message is, "your life is a mess, get it together."

By their very nature, his devout fans are walking, talking, disasters. They've admitted as much by needed his advice in the first place.


--------------------
Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

Bank and Union with The Shroomery at the Zuul on The internet - now with %'s and things

I’m sorry it had to be me.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 8 hours
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: morrowasted]
    #26372773 - 12/10/19 09:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
anyway I listened to some of his stuff when he first blew up in 2016 or 2017 following the canadian law that supposedly made it illegal for teachers to "misgender" students

IDK how I feel about all that but AFAIK nobody has been prosecuted under that law

All I know is when you press him on his religious ideas he just says variations on the theme of "Well I think you're just not thinking about it deeply enough"

ok bro



Why would an intelligent religious person debate the existence of a higher power?  All you can really do is try to explain your position and stand your ground, but it’s a non-falsifiable claim.
Applying science is a dead end.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 4 days, 49 minutes
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26372788 - 12/10/19 09:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm honestly unsure whether the above post is a defense of or attack on JP :lol:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26372801 - 12/10/19 09:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't heard of any human rights cases that line up with his "compelled speech" interpretation of the law either.


The one trans related human rights case that blew up in the news here was related to waxing, and set the precedent that offering waxing services for women does not compel you to wax male genitalia.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBurke Dennings
baby merchant

Registered: 11/29/04
Posts: 81,641
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: psi] * 2
    #26372810 - 12/10/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Dude I recently read about that waxing case!  The person involved seemed genuinely awful.  Like such a bad person that I question if it’s maybe not a transphobe LARPing as a trans person in an attempt to make them all look terrible.  But that’s probably me overthinking it- they’re probably just an asshole trans person.  But jeez, what an asshole.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 8 hours
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: psi]
    #26372817 - 12/10/19 09:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

psi said:
I haven't heard of any human rights cases that line up with his "compelled speech" interpretation of the law either.


The one trans related human rights case that blew up in the news here was related to waxing, and set the precedent that offering waxing services for women does not compel you to wax male genitalia.



There’s more to it than that.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: lowbrow]
    #26372827 - 12/10/19 10:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Of course there is. But which "it" are you talking about? Peterson's "compelled speech" interpretation or the waxing case?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 8 hours
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: psi]
    #26372847 - 12/10/19 10:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The waxing case.  Can we link kiwi farm threads or is that a no-no?


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #26372849 - 12/10/19 10:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Burke Dennings said:
Dude I recently read about that waxing case!  The person involved seemed genuinely awful.  Like such a bad person that I question if it’s maybe not a transphobe LARPing as a trans person in an attempt to make them all look terrible.  But that’s probably me overthinking it- they’re probably just an asshole trans person.  But jeez, what an asshole.




Yeah I got the impression on reddit at the time that trans people posting there were not generally in support of Yaniv either.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: lowbrow]
    #26372853 - 12/10/19 10:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

lowbrow said:
The waxing case.  Can we link kiwi farm threads or is that a no-no?



OK yeah that was just a quick summary. I don't know that site but I'm not aware of any rule that wouldn't allow linking to it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 8 hours
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: psi]
    #26372868 - 12/10/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

psi said:
Quote:

lowbrow said:
The waxing case.  Can we link kiwi farm threads or is that a no-no?



OK yeah that was just a quick summary. I don't know that site but I'm not aware of any rule that wouldn't allow linking to it.




He has his own sub-forum.
https://kiwifarms.net/

He has three pages of threads in his sub-forum.

https://kiwifarms.net/forums/jonathan-yaniv.99/

This is his actual thread.  You’re going to need a shower if you decide to venture this far.
If I were you Id just read the first post.  That will tell you all you need to know.

Unless you want to read the whole 754 pages.


https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jonathan-yaniv-jessica-yaniv-trustednerd-trustednerd-com-jy-knows-it-jy-british-columbia.49790/


Have fun.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLoaded Shaman
Psychophysiologist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/02/15
Posts: 8,006
Loc: Now O'Clock
Last seen: 28 days, 5 hours
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: christopera]
    #26372872 - 12/10/19 10:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

christopera said:
Peterson's message is, "your life is a mess, get it together."

By their very nature, his devout fans are walking, talking, disasters. They've admitted as much by needed his advice in the first place.




I'm always reminded of something I read on a marketing site, that said the people who sell "How to make money" courses are proof their own advice doesn't work.


--------------------



"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance." — Confucius


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26372921 - 12/10/19 11:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I hadn't seen every last social media post from Yaniv but I was aware of the pedo-sounding stuff. Though it is kind of tangential to the human rights case.


My point in bringing it up was that I'm unaware of any cases that line up with Peterson's "compelled speech" interpretation of the law, and that this was the only thing I was aware of in that general ballpark (and the complainant lost and a precedent was set that there was no compelled scrotum waxing).


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTattersail
Female User Gallery

Registered: 04/11/18
Posts: 285
Last seen: 1 year, 11 months
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: psi] * 1
    #26373027 - 12/10/19 12:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think he's great. Not in a culty way I hope, but his videos and books have helped me a lot. I went through an angry feminist stage a couple years ago and was unhappy with my life, and after watching a video of him and Camille Paglia it was like somebody flipped a light switch.

It may be that much of what hes saying is said by others or has been said before. Philosophy is an old tradition and ideas are often rehashed and reframed. But he seems to be a bit different in that he is prepared to stand up for his what hw thinks is right rather than lock himself in a classroom like many other academics.


--------------------
LAGM2021
Trades

We may lose or we may win, but we'll never be here again


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblevault123
SangSpell

Registered: 01/31/15
Posts: 1,229
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #26373171 - 12/10/19 01:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think philosophy is for stupid people.



--------------------
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

Judge Aaron Satie


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRJ Tubs 202
Male

Registered: 09/20/08
Posts: 6,016
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 56 minutes, 11 seconds
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: christopera] * 5
    #26373173 - 12/10/19 01:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

christopera said:

Peterson's message is, "your life is a mess, get it together."

By their very nature, his devout fans are walking, talking, disasters. They've admitted as much by needed his advice in the first place.




Your life must be a total disaster if you actually believe that stuff. Wow - let's all close our minds to alternative ideas! Great post. It reveals a lot. What ever we do, let's not discuss concepts and instead claim other lives are a "disaster". LOL, that made my day. It's so fucking easy to sit back and lob bombs instead of adding something to the conversation.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinechristopera
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/13/17
Posts: 14,201
Last seen: 1 hour, 40 minutes
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26373207 - 12/10/19 02:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Why you so bent out of shape over it?

Peterson sells stuff to people interested in self help. That’s a fact.

How many fighter pilots, astronauts, presidents, well published researchers do you see publishing self help books? It’s none.

Maybe David Harvey or Noam Chomsky can weigh in, but I have a feeling that the self help arena isn’t exactly on the cutting edge of human achievement.


--------------------
Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

Bank and Union with The Shroomery at the Zuul on The internet - now with %'s and things

I’m sorry it had to be me.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRJ Tubs 202
Male

Registered: 09/20/08
Posts: 6,016
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 56 minutes, 11 seconds
Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: christopera] * 3
    #26373254 - 12/10/19 02:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

We live in an age of victimization, where we blame unhappiness on everything but ourselves. We blame our parents. We blame our genes. We blame the fucked up country we live in. We blame our "chemical imbalances" for disturbing emotions. Blame blame blame. This is where we are as a species. We usually sit on the golden throne of condemnation and blame anything and everything but ourselves. But we are the cause of our problems. Fighter pilots, astronauts, and presidents don't publish self help books because they are too busy reading them. "Self Help" is the new "RETARDED" - let's discuss why we bash helping ourselves instead of pointing the finger of blame. We must destroy these cultural beliefs propping up the flawed irrational concepts of victimhood.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder, Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* I'm going to let Jordan Peterson be my role model
( 1 2 all )
TNK 717 38 12/01/18 03:02 PM
by Tantrika
* Jordan Peterson.
( 1 2 3 all )
Plain 1,267 50 01/08/19 09:10 PM
by OrgoneConclusion
* Jordan Peterson and Russel Brand xzylocybin 210 0 02/17/18 12:50 AM
by xzylocybin
* Jordan Peterson takes antidepressants ??!
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 all )
NOUS333 4,873 142 02/08/20 11:03 AM
by viraldrome
* Thoughts on Jordan Peterson? (Looking for good debaters) Parasyte 552 12 02/14/18 09:11 PM
by Parasyte
* Dr. Jordan B Peterson
( 1 2 3 all )
schwarg 2,223 47 05/22/17 10:03 AM
by Tantrika
* Nihilism and the consequences of hypocrisy (heavy shit, right?)
( 1 2 all )
Maitreya 2,455 25 07/26/12 08:28 PM
by The Phleg
* Robert Jordan, author of The Wheel of Time, is dead
( 1 2 all )
trendalM 4,020 23 02/26/08 08:44 PM
by Kada

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
2,959 topic views. 4 members, 79 guests and 70 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.036 seconds spending 0.011 seconds on 15 queries.