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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: lowbrow] 3
#26372701 - 12/10/19 09:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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JP's philosophy can be summed up in 5 words
"Well you see, uh, it's complicated..."
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anyway I listened to some of his stuff when he first blew up in 2016 or 2017 following the canadian law that supposedly made it illegal for teachers to "misgender" students
IDK how I feel about all that but AFAIK nobody has been prosecuted under that law
All I know is when you press him on his religious ideas he just says variations on the theme of "Well I think you're just not thinking about it deeply enough"
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Peterson's message is, "your life is a mess, get it together."
By their very nature, his devout fans are walking, talking, disasters. They've admitted as much by needed his advice in the first place.
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morrowasted said: anyway I listened to some of his stuff when he first blew up in 2016 or 2017 following the canadian law that supposedly made it illegal for teachers to "misgender" students
IDK how I feel about all that but AFAIK nobody has been prosecuted under that law
All I know is when you press him on his religious ideas he just says variations on the theme of "Well I think you're just not thinking about it deeply enough"
ok bro
Why would an intelligent religious person debate the existence of a higher power? All you can really do is try to explain your position and stand your ground, but it’s a non-falsifiable claim. Applying science is a dead end.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: lowbrow] 1
#26372788 - 12/10/19 09:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm honestly unsure whether the above post is a defense of or attack on JP
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I haven't heard of any human rights cases that line up with his "compelled speech" interpretation of the law either.
The one trans related human rights case that blew up in the news here was related to waxing, and set the precedent that offering waxing services for women does not compel you to wax male genitalia.
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#26372810 - 12/10/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude I recently read about that waxing case! The person involved seemed genuinely awful. Like such a bad person that I question if it’s maybe not a transphobe LARPing as a trans person in an attempt to make them all look terrible. But that’s probably me overthinking it- they’re probably just an asshole trans person. But jeez, what an asshole.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: psi]
#26372817 - 12/10/19 09:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: I haven't heard of any human rights cases that line up with his "compelled speech" interpretation of the law either.
The one trans related human rights case that blew up in the news here was related to waxing, and set the precedent that offering waxing services for women does not compel you to wax male genitalia.
There’s more to it than that.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: lowbrow]
#26372827 - 12/10/19 10:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course there is. But which "it" are you talking about? Peterson's "compelled speech" interpretation or the waxing case?
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: psi]
#26372847 - 12/10/19 10:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The waxing case. Can we link kiwi farm threads or is that a no-no?
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Burke Dennings said: Dude I recently read about that waxing case! The person involved seemed genuinely awful. Like such a bad person that I question if it’s maybe not a transphobe LARPing as a trans person in an attempt to make them all look terrible. But that’s probably me overthinking it- they’re probably just an asshole trans person. But jeez, what an asshole.
Yeah I got the impression on reddit at the time that trans people posting there were not generally in support of Yaniv either.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: lowbrow]
#26372853 - 12/10/19 10:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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lowbrow said: The waxing case. Can we link kiwi farm threads or is that a no-no?
OK yeah that was just a quick summary. I don't know that site but I'm not aware of any rule that wouldn't allow linking to it.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: psi]
#26372868 - 12/10/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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lowbrow said: The waxing case. Can we link kiwi farm threads or is that a no-no?
OK yeah that was just a quick summary. I don't know that site but I'm not aware of any rule that wouldn't allow linking to it.
He has his own sub-forum. https://kiwifarms.net/
He has three pages of threads in his sub-forum.
https://kiwifarms.net/forums/jonathan-yaniv.99/
This is his actual thread. You’re going to need a shower if you decide to venture this far. If I were you Id just read the first post. That will tell you all you need to know.
Unless you want to read the whole 754 pages.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jonathan-yaniv-jessica-yaniv-trustednerd-trustednerd-com-jy-knows-it-jy-british-columbia.49790/
Have fun.
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christopera said: Peterson's message is, "your life is a mess, get it together."
By their very nature, his devout fans are walking, talking, disasters. They've admitted as much by needed his advice in the first place.
I'm always reminded of something I read on a marketing site, that said the people who sell "How to make money" courses are proof their own advice doesn't work.
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#26372921 - 12/10/19 11:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hadn't seen every last social media post from Yaniv but I was aware of the pedo-sounding stuff. Though it is kind of tangential to the human rights case.
My point in bringing it up was that I'm unaware of any cases that line up with Peterson's "compelled speech" interpretation of the law, and that this was the only thing I was aware of in that general ballpark (and the complainant lost and a precedent was set that there was no compelled scrotum waxing).
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#26373027 - 12/10/19 12:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think he's great. Not in a culty way I hope, but his videos and books have helped me a lot. I went through an angry feminist stage a couple years ago and was unhappy with my life, and after watching a video of him and Camille Paglia it was like somebody flipped a light switch.
It may be that much of what hes saying is said by others or has been said before. Philosophy is an old tradition and ideas are often rehashed and reframed. But he seems to be a bit different in that he is prepared to stand up for his what hw thinks is right rather than lock himself in a classroom like many other academics.
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I think philosophy is for stupid people.
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Peterson's message is, "your life is a mess, get it together."
By their very nature, his devout fans are walking, talking, disasters. They've admitted as much by needed his advice in the first place.
Your life must be a total disaster if you actually believe that stuff. Wow - let's all close our minds to alternative ideas! Great post. It reveals a lot. What ever we do, let's not discuss concepts and instead claim other lives are a "disaster". LOL, that made my day. It's so fucking easy to sit back and lob bombs instead of adding something to the conversation.
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Why you so bent out of shape over it?
Peterson sells stuff to people interested in self help. That’s a fact.
How many fighter pilots, astronauts, presidents, well published researchers do you see publishing self help books? It’s none.
Maybe David Harvey or Noam Chomsky can weigh in, but I have a feeling that the self help arena isn’t exactly on the cutting edge of human achievement.
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We live in an age of victimization, where we blame unhappiness on everything but ourselves. We blame our parents. We blame our genes. We blame the fucked up country we live in. We blame our "chemical imbalances" for disturbing emotions. Blame blame blame. This is where we are as a species. We usually sit on the golden throne of condemnation and blame anything and everything but ourselves. But we are the cause of our problems. Fighter pilots, astronauts, and presidents don't publish self help books because they are too busy reading them. "Self Help" is the new "RETARDED" - let's discuss why we bash helping ourselves instead of pointing the finger of blame. We must destroy these cultural beliefs propping up the flawed irrational concepts of victimhood.
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