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Tantrika
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Jokeshopbeard said: Is there anyone out there that knows him and his work that doesn't think that the guy is the absolute epiphany of a modern philosopher? Of someone who clearly sees our current state and condition, and has some real, practical, tangible solutions to dealing with the difficulties of it? ...
Preferred Joseph Campbell's work but appreciate that Peterson is basically attempting to follow in his footsteps think Maps of Meaning and his exploration of symbols and conciousness through history is really interesting
unfortunately, it does not adapt cleanly to modern political issues because he is taking an amalgamation of past beliefs rather than assembling that into a real meaningful way to engage with the modern world (which, in my opinion, Joseph Campbell did manage) on the surface his philosophy seems highly adaptable due to the variation of sources but in terms of engaging with real world issues, have not found any of these practical and tangible solutions to modern problems you argue for

really wish he would get back to a focus on what he is good at rather than what gets him mainstream media attention but academics inevitably bow down to the all mighty dollar over their passion for information
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: Patlal]
#26365497 - 12/06/19 05:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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He has such a distinct tone, and way of speaking that whenever I read a quote from him, it's as if his voice is projected into my head.... Which would be fine if his voice wasn't so fucking annoying.
He seems like a reasonable guy. In small doses though.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: Tantrika] 2
#26365502 - 12/06/19 05:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tantrika said: but academics inevitably bow down to the all mighty dollar over their passion for information
yeah.. i'm guessing most of you haven't seen his Pokemon PC game where he sold packs of stickers to his fanboys in a very powerful crusade against PC culture 

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pixelpopper said:
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Tantrika said: but academics inevitably bow down to the all mighty dollar over their passion for information
yeah.. i'm guessing most of you haven't seen his Pokemon PC game where he sold packs of stickers to his fanboys in a very powerful crusade against PC culture 

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Totally legit, if having seen one of these anywhere prior to your post would have immediately assumed it to be from the video game arguments of Console vs. PC gaming



of course, this also shows some issue with acronyms like when people complain that the NPCs are too PC
when, in an NPC/PC dichotomy PC stands for Player Character
Player Character Personal Computer Politically Correct
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: Tantrika]
#26365523 - 12/06/19 05:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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of course, this also shows some issue with acronyms like when people complain that the NPCs are too PC
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I see, both here, and in the little research I did after hearing all these criticisms about him, that a lot of people are attacking the person whilst none really seem to address his work and his message.
I find that odd. It reminds me of something I said earlier today, in a different thread:
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Jokeshopbeard said: Every little thing seems to be a problem for someone these days, regardless of how noble its original intention may be.
I really can't see any proper justification for the vitriol this guy seems to draw his way. Perhaps I'm just not looking at him as a person and considering his words only, but......?
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He thinks men are entitled to sex
He’s essentially the closest thing incels have to a god since the real god fucked them over when he made them ugly
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Socrateshroom said:
His message, said a billion ways is, something akin to,
Fix yourself before you try to fix the world
It's hard to argue with such wisdom, in a time when most people blame their problems and unhappiness on things outside of themselves. The perspective that we are our own worst enemy has been preached by a myriad of people during the course of human history, such as the ancient Greek philosophers. It's a pretty simple idea - that we disturb ourselves in many ways and create much of the emotional distress we experience. Most people prefer to point the finger of blame than look at themselves honestly. We should call this period in human history "The Age of Victimhood".
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: koods]
#26365562 - 12/06/19 05:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: He thinks men are entitled to sex
I've read a lot of things he's written and listened to a lot of what he's said and I've never come across anything remotely close to that.
I'm baffled.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: We should call this period in human history "The Age of Victimhood".
LOL. Brilliant RJ.
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Every little thing seems to be a problem for someone these days . . .
The frequency and intensity of people's emotional fragility continues to skyrocket. Jonathan Haidt (well respected social psychologist) has presented some fascinating ideas about this current explosion of pathological sensitivity. He has some specific theories about how and why the human mind began to change 10 years ago, and what is at the root of this epidemic of outrage and hyper-sensitivity.
We have the ability to engage in emotional intelligence. We can manage even the most difficult emotions and the most complex internal states. But right now we are going backwards. Very fast. We are de-evolving.
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I actually think that is one of the worst aspects of the Trump presidency. The leader of the free world spends half his day whining about how he’s being treated. People look st this behavior and think it’s OK.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: koods] 2
#26365656 - 12/06/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hardly watch him anymore. I really like alot of his lectures and have a positive view of him but alot of his discussions can be kinda cringe. his maneurisms can be kind of off putting especially after he got big. and hes often right but sometimes focusing on the wrong point in my opinion. he lets himself get bogged down trying to explain everything and ends up letting other people frame the argument sometimes which Is probably part of the reason he has been the center of so much outrage. sometimes he handles himself perfectly though like with cathy newman. But I prefer his lectures to his debates even though he does have a good record with those too.
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koods said: He thinks men are entitled to sex
He’s essentially the closest thing incels have to a god since the real god fucked them over when he made them ugly
he says the opposite one of his main messages is that its your responsibility to make things better. if things arent going your way you're doing something wrong or you're aiming at the wrong thing.
I remember when MGTOW was a thing (well lets be honest it was never really a thing. just a few frustrated ugly neckbeards) and he said they were weasels lol. Which is the part of his message that I think is most important. dont be a victim and start trying to make things better.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: koods] 2
#26365672 - 12/06/19 06:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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He thinks men are entitled to sex
If a brilliant mathematician visits hookers, hates Asians, and believes in UFO's, do you deny their mathematical conclusions? If Pythagoras had a large harem of 10 year old boys, should that fact play any part of evaluating the accuracy of his theorem?
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It worked for Michael Jackson.
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Tantrika
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koods said: He thinks men are entitled to sex
He’s essentially the closest thing incels have to a god since the real god fucked them over when he made them ugly
he says the opposite one of his main messages is that its your responsibility to make things better. if things arent going your way you're doing something wrong or you're aiming at the wrong thing.
I remember when MGTOW was a thing (well lets be honest it was never really a thing. just a few frustrated ugly neckbeards) and he said they were weasels lol. Which is the part of his message that I think is most important. dont be a victim and start trying to make things better.
Also recall him discussing sexual autonomy with Theryn Meyer and talking about one of the (theoretical) issues in Aldous Huxley's work on Island where essentially the society was ordered in such a way that individuals were obligated to sexually engage with anyone who wanted to sexually engage with them
it may still be on his channel, Theryn ended up deleting hers when it started getting wild with flames against her being trans and supporting nonbinary individuals
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: Tantrika]
#26365791 - 12/06/19 07:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who is this guy? And why is he famous?
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He is a psychology professor and he initially got widespread fame for recording some youtube videos opposing this law that he said introduced compelled speech for trans pronouns.
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Re: Jordan Peterson [Re: koods]
#26365827 - 12/06/19 07:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: He sounds like the offspring of Kermit the frog and Don Cherry
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#26365849 - 12/06/19 08:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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He's an asshat.
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