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jbgtaa
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jbgtaa said: Quit using syringes to cakes and you’ll have some success. Nearly all mold mycelium is indistinguishable from cubensis mycelium to a beginners eye.
Did I offer you agar supplies? Pay for postage (12$ max) and I’ll send you a sleeve of sterile plates. Put good agar cultures to GRAIN SPAWN and I can damn near garuntee you success.
I just want to point out that MS syringes to cakes can be very successful. I’ve yet to have a contam problem with this method.
But I do agree that it isn’t the most effective method (personally I enjoy cakes and have been working with them exclusively)
I mean the industry standard sample size is at least 100 subjects so unless you have successfully fruited 100 BRF jars then you evidence is anecdotal. Even if 50 out of those hundred fruited, then that’s only because it’s near impossible to use that many spores and not find a fruiting culture.
Bottom line is the worst advice a noob could see on this website is something with 5 shrooms advocating for MS inoculation. Why do you think you don’t see TCs endorsing it, when we all know full well each and everyone of us has had slight success with MS syringe injections? Because it’s not advice that need to get passed onto a noob
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Socrateshroom
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: jbgtaa]
#26364354 - 12/06/19 06:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said:
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Socrateshroom said:
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jbgtaa said: Quit using syringes to cakes and you’ll have some success. Nearly all mold mycelium is indistinguishable from cubensis mycelium to a beginners eye.
Did I offer you agar supplies? Pay for postage (12$ max) and I’ll send you a sleeve of sterile plates. Put good agar cultures to GRAIN SPAWN and I can damn near garuntee you success.
I just want to point out that MS syringes to cakes can be very successful. I’ve yet to have a contam problem with this method.
But I do agree that it isn’t the most effective method (personally I enjoy cakes and have been working with them exclusively)
I mean the industry standard sample size is at least 100 subjects so unless you have successfully fruited 100 BRF jars then you evidence is anecdotal. Even if 50 out of those hundred fruited, then that’s only because it’s near impossible to use that many spores and not find a fruiting culture.
Bottom line is the worst advice a noob could see on this website is something with 5 shrooms advocating for MS inoculation. Why do you think you don’t see TCs endorsing it, when we all know full well each and everyone of us has had slight success with MS syringe injections? Because it’s not advice that need to get passed onto a noob
I’m not advocating it, I simply suggested it to op to try as a fall back since they are easy and pretty noob proof (this was before they mentioned that they were experienced)
I also said that it isn’t the most effective method and I know and believe it is the LEAST effective method of the tried and true methods. But it is easy, and it’s a good method to start with if you are hesitant to jump into agar work (which is superior and I highly advocate it).
I’ve had a big sample size but you are right, my evidence is anecdotal.
In short: Brf Cakes is the bottom of the barrel method. I urge others to learn about grains, agar work, etc but I’m simply saying that cakes helped me learn the hobby including proper sterile work, pressure cooking sterilization and so forth (and I like them but I’m moving away from them because, as you e stated, it isn’t a good sustainable method)
Anyway, OP, do you have a hygrometer? What is your RH and temperature like in your grow area?
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: jbgtaa]
#26364373 - 12/06/19 06:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said:
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Socrateshroom said:
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jbgtaa said: Quit using syringes to cakes and you’ll have some success. Nearly all mold mycelium is indistinguishable from cubensis mycelium to a beginners eye.
Did I offer you agar supplies? Pay for postage (12$ max) and I’ll send you a sleeve of sterile plates. Put good agar cultures to GRAIN SPAWN and I can damn near garuntee you success.
I just want to point out that MS syringes to cakes can be very successful. I’ve yet to have a contam problem with this method.
But I do agree that it isn’t the most effective method (personally I enjoy cakes and have been working with them exclusively)
I mean the industry standard sample size is at least 100 subjects so unless you have successfully fruited 100 BRF jars then you evidence is anecdotal. Even if 50 out of those hundred fruited, then that’s only because it’s near impossible to use that many spores and not find a fruiting culture.
Bottom line is the worst advice a noob could see on this website is something with 5 shrooms advocating for MS inoculation. Why do you think you don’t see TCs endorsing it, when we all know full well each and everyone of us has had slight success with MS syringe injections? Because it’s not advice that need to get passed onto a noob
Worst thing noobs see is others noobs advice. Have you ran 100 pf jars to prove your statement?
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26364415 - 12/06/19 07:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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BigSurMoon said:
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jbgtaa said:
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Socrateshroom said:
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jbgtaa said: Quit using syringes to cakes and you’ll have some success. Nearly all mold mycelium is indistinguishable from cubensis mycelium to a beginners eye.
Did I offer you agar supplies? Pay for postage (12$ max) and I’ll send you a sleeve of sterile plates. Put good agar cultures to GRAIN SPAWN and I can damn near garuntee you success.
I just want to point out that MS syringes to cakes can be very successful. I’ve yet to have a contam problem with this method.
But I do agree that it isn’t the most effective method (personally I enjoy cakes and have been working with them exclusively)
I mean the industry standard sample size is at least 100 subjects so unless you have successfully fruited 100 BRF jars then you evidence is anecdotal. Even if 50 out of those hundred fruited, then that’s only because it’s near impossible to use that many spores and not find a fruiting culture.
Bottom line is the worst advice a noob could see on this website is something with 5 shrooms advocating for MS inoculation. Why do you think you don’t see TCs endorsing it, when we all know full well each and everyone of us has had slight success with MS syringe injections? Because it’s not advice that need to get passed onto a noob
Worst thing noobs see is others noobs advice. Have you ran 100 pf jars to prove your statement?
Please see my above comment pointing out that I am not advocating anyone do brf jars, they are the worst method but it was where I chose to start.
I am close but not at that exact number. I am sorry if anything I said was incorrect and I urge anyone reading my comments on cultivation to look to Trusted Cultivators and people with more experience than me. It was incorrect of me to tell someone to do something simply because it worked for me.
Again, if I have provided any misinformation please forgive me. It is not my intention to and I will educate myself better. Mush love to you and thank you
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Tarutaru you are growing cubensis right? If your cakes had colonized then I would expect some sort of result. Is your tub still hydrated? If it is heavy from water still maybe it's just slow. Id keep it till it goes gross if you're desperate. Meanwhile take uo jgbtaa and others on our offers for some help with starting on agar and following TEKs to the T. If you're feeling down then relax and enjoy the zen of the process and don't expect the result to be your answer.
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: Failboat]
#26364477 - 12/06/19 07:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tape the rest of the holes up. Sounds like you’re in a super dry, cold climate. Preserve that RH!
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: feldman114]
#26364515 - 12/06/19 08:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please see my above comment pointing out that I am not advocating anyone do brf jars, they are the worst method but it was where I chose to start.
I am close but not at that exact number. I am sorry if anything I said was incorrect and I urge anyone reading my comments on cultivation to look to Trusted Cultivators and people with more experience than me. It was incorrect of me to tell someone to do something simply because it worked for me.
Again, if I have provided any misinformation please forgive me. It is not my intention to and I will educate myself better. Mush love to you and thank you 
I was talking to jbgtaa, sorry if I confused.
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26364523 - 12/06/19 08:33 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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BigSurMoon said: Please see my above comment pointing out that I am not advocating anyone do brf jars, they are the worst method but it was where I chose to start.
I am close but not at that exact number. I am sorry if anything I said was incorrect and I urge anyone reading my comments on cultivation to look to Trusted Cultivators and people with more experience than me. It was incorrect of me to tell someone to do something simply because it worked for me.
Again, if I have provided any misinformation please forgive me. It is not my intention to and I will educate myself better. Mush love to you and thank you 
I was talking to jbgtaa, sorry if I confused.
No worries!
JBGTAA was responding to me though, he was against MS to BRF jars and I was the one who mentioned to the OP to try them.
So there might be a little confusion going around. I'm assuming you are also against going MS syringe to BRF cakes.
And if so, both you and JBGTAA are Absolutely Right. It is a noob method, and not a good method, but a method nonetheless. My sample size is big and I've had success with BRF cakes from MS BUT it has been a mix of beginners luck and the fact that it is not a significant sample size.
AGAR is the right way to go and if anyone is reading this, please go AGAR (read the sticky thread in this forum and use Bodhi's awesome flow chart post to read about everything including BOD'S Easy AF AGAR).
And use the knowledge of TRUSTED CULTIVATORS
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26364530 - 12/06/19 08:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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BigSurMoon said: Worst thing noobs see is others noobs advice. Have you ran 100 pf jars to prove your statement?
....what statement? I never made a claim to anything besides the well-known inefficiency of MSinjection into BRF. I even said at least half of this theoretical hundred jars would fruit.
Also idc how you feel about me, I don’t think anyone would consider me a noob. You, still using cow shit in 2019 and crying over everyone calling it inefficient seems a bit nooby though 
Obviously the PF tek is still on the front page of our site, and for good reason. It works. I didn’t deny that. All I said was injecting anything with an MS syringe (not MS agar or LC) lowers your chances of success dramatically.
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: jbgtaa]
#26364555 - 12/06/19 08:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said:
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BigSurMoon said: Worst thing noobs see is others noobs advice. Have you ran 100 pf jars to prove your statement?
....what statement? I never made a claim to anything besides the well-known inefficiency of MSinjection into BRF. I even said at least half of this theoretical hundred jars would fruit.
Also idc how you feel about me, I don’t think anyone would consider me a noob. You, still using cow shit in 2019 and crying over everyone calling it inefficient seems a bit nooby though 
Obviously the PF tek is still on the front page of our site, and for good reason. It works. I didn’t deny that. All I said was injecting anything with an MS syringe (not MS agar or LC) lowers your chances of success dramatically.
I am a noob! And I dont try to imply that I am not.
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26364565 - 12/06/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice, I however am not. I have a working practical knowledge of the mechanics of growing cubensis (and the newly described Natalensis) indoors and is say I’m qualified to at least share my opinion, which is probably helpful most of the time. Any piece of my advice given since I’ve been on this site has more credibility than advice from someone who uses composted shit straight from the bag for their mushrooms.
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: jbgtaa]
#26364586 - 12/06/19 09:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I feel that Doc T’s disaster of a shotgun mono hybrid will only work well in very humid climates. Drier regions will not be forgiving of the flaws in his design. I made a couple of them before I knew better and they totally sucked and were unable to maintain conditions.
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26364619 - 12/06/19 09:39 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Geez good to know lol. Anyone have a link to a reliable monotub tek i can use next time? Ive taped up half the holes. Anyone think its not enough?

The painters tape has been replaced by duct tape since the photo
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: Tarutaru]
#26364626 - 12/06/19 09:46 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: Tarutaru]
#26364632 - 12/06/19 09:49 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tarutaru said: Geez good to know lol. Anyone have a link to a reliable monotub tek i can use next time? Ive taped up half the holes. Anyone think its not enough?

The painters tape has been replaced by duct tape since the photo
Like I said, tape them all up. When you see pins, untape 1 row
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26364634 - 12/06/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks man. Should i tape up more holes on mine? Throw it away? What do u think
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: feldman114]
#26364636 - 12/06/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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ALL of them? Really?
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: Tarutaru]
#26364641 - 12/06/19 09:54 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tape em all. I use unmodified tubs, sonno holes and it's fine. Keep it till it fruits or goes green.
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: Failboat]
#26364665 - 12/06/19 10:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok I taped up all the holes. I reallt hate that i wasted all this time. This project is probably ruined...
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Re: 2nd complete failure [Re: Tarutaru]
#26364679 - 12/06/19 10:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patsy's mono design can also be used as an FC, I use it for fruiting single shoeboxes for clone hunts. Surface conditions are easily maintained. Bottom is lined with perlite as per SGFC. I'd throw out that one with all of the holes in it and take pasty's advice.

Unable to see the small beads of moisture on the surface of the sub but it's there.
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