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Soaking Colonized Rye Mycelium Before Mixing With Substrate?
#26364345 - 12/06/19 06:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey Guys! So I am running my first rye batch using quart jars and will be adding to my monotub this weekend as the jars are about 90% colonized at this point. I have done a bunch of reading and searching here and was wondering what the current consensus is regarding soaking my colonized rye jars before I add them to my vermiculite/coir mix? I have read this increases yields and increases time to colonize the new substrate? Should I soak them before mixing into the substrate? If so, how long do you recommend soaking? Do I just throw away the runoff water from the soaking? Thanks for the help!
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Re: Soaking Colonized Rye Mycelium Before Mixing With Substrate? [Re: markclark]
#26364394 - 12/06/19 06:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Most people dont soak there colonized grain. If you hydrate your substrate correctly it should have all the water it needs to grow mushrooms.
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Re: Soaking Colonized Rye Mycelium Before Mixing With Substrate? [Re: SFS96]
#26364912 - 12/06/19 12:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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SFS96 said: Most people dont soak there colonized grain. If you hydrate your substrate correctly it should have all the water it needs to grow mushrooms.
Thanks for the reply and help. Is there any benefit to soaking the colonized Rye? Or is the risk (contamination) vs reward, not worth it?
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Re: Soaking Colonized Rye Mycelium Before Mixing With Substrate? [Re: markclark]
#26364948 - 12/06/19 12:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The thoughts on the subject are about giving the mycelium more moisture to work from during fruiting but as long as your cocos field capacity is on you will be fine.
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Re: Soaking Colonized Rye Mycelium Before Mixing With Substrate? [Re: YogiBear]
#26365220 - 12/06/19 02:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love soaking. i like the colonization speed i get when mixing very wet and soaked rye and mycellium water all throughout the substrate. full colonization in 3 days. the coir seem to like the mycellium water getting soaked into it.
I keep my rye a little dryer than usual, so soaking really plumps them up.. dry enough to sound like semi hard pebbles shaking around the mason jar when i break up the mycellium. I've had issues with too much moisture in my rye, so i prefer very short boils and colonization a bit dryer than the norm -which tend to not plump the rye up as fat -until it catches a nice 15-20 minute soak.
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Re: Soaking Colonized Rye Mycelium Before Mixing With Substrate? [Re: trippleblack]
#26365228 - 12/06/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think its a good way to wash some of your mycelium off of your spawn. Aka no good
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Re: Soaking Colonized Rye Mycelium Before Mixing With Substrate? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26365255 - 12/06/19 03:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I think its a good way to wash some of your mycelium off of your spawn. Aka no good
it definately washed some mycelium off of the spawn.. but they also hold more water.. i never did a side by isolate comparison, so my procedure is based around great success and habit more than measured results.
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Re: Soaking Colonized Rye Mycelium Before Mixing With Substrate? [Re: trippleblack]
#26365464 - 12/06/19 04:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If there's some reason you want more water at spawning just make your sub on the wet side or mist after spawning
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Re: Soaking Colonized Rye Mycelium Before Mixing With Substrate? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26367167 - 12/07/19 03:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I appreciate all of the replies guys! I'm going to A/B test this one. I am going to do 1 tub soak and 1 tub no soak. I'll report back with my results!
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Re: Soaking Colonized Rye Mycelium Before Mixing With Substrate? [Re: markclark]
#26367199 - 12/07/19 03:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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markclark said: I appreciate all of the replies guys! I'm going to A/B test this one. I am going to do 1 tub soak and 1 tub no soak. I'll report back with my results!
unless you have them growing the same isolated strain it will not tell you much. It could depend on how dry the grain was too, if it was VERY dry to begin with then I imagine it could feasibly give better results. But I would certainly not be doing it myself or recommending it. The myc is protecting the grains from contams, after a soak the grains are going to look like there is no myc at all on them. The new overly wet surface with no myc as protection does not sound like a good idea.
I would certainly not throw out all that good myc water. If I was to do an experiment I would fill the jar with water to be just at the top of the grains, i.e. do not put in a needless excess of water. I would measure the amount of water I was adding and have it calculated so I can add it to coir and be dumping none of the myc water. I usually would heat treat my coir so it could be made just damp for this to happen, purposely leaving out the volume of water which is the same volume you added to the grain jar.
This also means you do not have to attempt to strain the grains afterwards, you just just pour the grains and water directly onto the coir.
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