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So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it?
#26363554 - 12/05/19 05:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also what about spawning to casing, or both, scraping the surface and mixing in into the casing.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26363615 - 12/05/19 06:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26363631 - 12/05/19 06:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Scraping colonized subs is pointless
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: cronicr]
#26363673 - 12/05/19 06:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds like another thing for impatient people to do so they feel like they are speeding things up.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: cronicr]
#26363703 - 12/05/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: Smartattack]
#26363712 - 12/05/19 07:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Smartattack said: Sounds like another thing for impatient people to do so they feel like they are speeding things up.
Not really. Already backed up with cubes for the next year I was just wondering.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26363733 - 12/05/19 07:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is "shock" state?
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26363744 - 12/05/19 07:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I treat my subs like gold. I would never intentionally harm the sub. Healthy sub = healthy fruits. The sub is life...
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26363749 - 12/05/19 07:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: What is "shock" state?
My dude, never mind half of the crap i say. Referred to it doing NOTHING after casing except turning gray by a shock state. Now I apply casing after no more than 2 days after spawning.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26363758 - 12/05/19 07:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn’t it supposed to not really colonize the casing, just kinda develop underneath then pop pins through??
I’m not sure but that’s what I’ve been thinking for some reason.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: A.k.a]
#26363777 - 12/05/19 07:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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A.k.a said: Isn’t it supposed to not really colonize the casing, just kinda develop underneath then pop pins through??
I’m not sure but that’s what I’ve been thinking for some reason.
Some growers say so, others like to use thick casing and they let colonize anywhere between 50-100% I guess it's like the fight on which is better thin or thick pizza crust
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: staytrippy420]
#26363782 - 12/05/19 07:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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staytrippy420 said: Healthy sub = healthy fruits. The sub is life...
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26363793 - 12/05/19 07:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel dumber now. I hate that.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: Smartattack]
#26364072 - 12/06/19 12:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Smartattack said: I feel dumber now. I hate that.
LOL!!! Me too!
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cronicr said: Scraping colonized subs is pointless
That's what I thought!
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I’m not sure but that’s what I’ve been thinking for some reason.
Wow! Is that what's supposed to happen? Not at all what my impression was. I thought the casing was supposed to help hold in moisture and was to eventually wind up fully colonized before pinning. Of course, I think I've been only using a "pseudo-casing" of about 1/4 inch. It seems to be working well.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26364154 - 12/06/19 02:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Not flaming but this is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Colonizing then casing then fruiting has been proven pointless and in a lot of cases harmful for cubensis Mushrooms.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26364276 - 12/06/19 05:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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?? nothing wrong with what I said, I wasn't recommending anything to anyone and I clearly said that the mycelium did not like to be cased after full colonization (at least the genetics im working with). basically I said that scraping the surface of substrate and mixing a small amount of the sub with the casing did help. That's why I made this post, to see if someone else had the experience. In regard to what did say about casing -even though that I believe the same as you. you dont have the right to dumb this and that because you can't prove it. So it's an opinion.. which I don't give a dam about.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26364587 - 12/06/19 09:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Casing layers don't need to colonize depending on how thick you apply it. 1/4" thick casing layer you just stick it into fruiting. We don't spawn to casing, it's job is to put a micro climate on the surface of the substrate
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: cronicr] 1
#26364843 - 12/06/19 11:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let's clarify some things.
Adding a layer of coir after you spawn is not casing. This is done so that exposed grains don't dry out.
Casing is a layer that's added to the top of a colonized substrate to provide humidity at the surface. You don't want a casing layer to colonize. The mycelium should tunnel through it.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: Asura]
#26366115 - 12/07/19 12:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let's clarify some things.
Adding a layer of coir after you spawn is not casing. This is done so that exposed grains don't dry out.
Casing is a layer that's added to the top of a colonized substrate to provide humidity at the surface. You don't want a casing layer to colonize. The mycelium should tunnel through it.
Hey Asura, I don't have to worry about Coco coir because I can't find it nor verm locally. I use pure pH buffered peat moss, I would like to add verm too when it's available.. thin layer of casing is not working great for me, since I'm using 1:1-2 spawn:bulk so the casing layer is getting steamrolled by mycelium after the first flush. It's still fruiting on top of the casing but that defeats the purpose of using casing layer like you said. That's why I use thicker casing because 1:1 substrate will overlay thin casing. Here is a pic of 1:1.5 sub you can see how the casing layer is covered..
 Any solution? Other than lowering nutrients.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: cronicr]
#26366130 - 12/07/19 12:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Casing layers don't need to colonize depending on how thick you apply it. 1/4" thick casing layer you just stick it into fruiting. We don't spawn to casing, it's job is to put a micro climate on the surface of the substrate
Thanks for the input cronicr, too late though, I've already cased cloned Redboy tub (ahaha more like toolbox). Scraped the surface then mixed it with the casing.  Kinda worried about exposed grains, hopefully I don't end up casing the casing.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26368474 - 12/08/19 07:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Update xD I like it! But still too early..
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26368482 - 12/08/19 07:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Level that shit out!
Myc looks healthy.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26368490 - 12/08/19 08:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: Update xD I like it! But still too early..

Looks sooooooooo wet
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26368661 - 12/08/19 09:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: Update xD I like it! But still too early..

Looks sooooooooo wet
Next time will water it a tad less. Though I did it intentionally, last time I cased, it was on the dry side and the mycelium ran like through the small clumps of casing and tried to eat it, it remained fluffy and did not turn rhizomorphic until later stages. I figured making the casing "wet" will physically prevent mycelium from penetrating casing clumps, instead running around it and forming rhizomorphic mycelium. I'll find out if it's working or not the next couple of days, looking good so far there are already little rhizomorphic formations all around!
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26368693 - 12/08/19 09:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Personally i could care less if a casing colonizes or not as long as it performs well. People get really hung up on casings and what defines them etc..
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26368735 - 12/08/19 10:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Personally i could care less if a casing colonizes or not as long as it performs well. People get really hung up on casings and what defines them etc..
I still new to growing mushrooms, so I don't what difference it makes if the casing is thin/thick, colonized or not, wet/dry, pH.. there are lots of parameters.. like I need to see by myself how it will behave against the whole spectrum of changes.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26370907 - 12/09/19 01:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cubes don't need a casing but I find that a thin top layer at spawn helps keeps surface moisture under control and promotes top pinning.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: staytrippy420]
#26371049 - 12/09/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Sounds like you had a casing that worked. You were waiting for it to be colonized while the sub was forming a pinset, which is why colonization stopped. Then you fucked up all the primordia with a knife, the stress reverted the sub back to its previous growth stage, at which point it started colonizing again.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: jbgtaa] 1
#26371103 - 12/09/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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jbgtaa said:
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Not flaming but this is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Colonizing then casing then fruiting has been proven pointless and in a lot of cases harmful for cubensis Mushrooms.
you should go through and read your posts.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26371134 - 12/09/19 03:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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BigSurMoon said:
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jbgtaa said:
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Not flaming but this is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Colonizing then casing then fruiting has been proven pointless and in a lot of cases harmful for cubensis Mushrooms.
you should go through and read your posts.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26371780 - 12/09/19 07:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Not flaming but this is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Colonizing then casing then fruiting has been proven pointless and in a lot of cases harmful for cubensis Mushrooms.
you should go through and read your posts.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: feldman114]
#26371800 - 12/09/19 07:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Sounds like you had a casing that worked. You were waiting for it to be colonized while the sub was forming a pinset, which is why colonization stopped. Then you fucked up all the primordia with a knife, the stress reverted the sub back to its previous growth stage, at which point it started colonizing again.
Very possible, I think I've figured it out though, here's the theory, substrate colonized from a clone are more likely to get shocked by late casing, because the mycelium from a clone tends to reunite with mycelium growing from other inoculation points. Mycelium from MS has less tendency to combine, instead likes to grow on top of the other mycelium. Just a theory don't quote me on it.. but as long as the mycelium are growing and didn't stop, you can case. Once they found each other and reunite on the surface (no longer growing up, and they stopped doing anything), it's too late for a casing, either fruit sans casing or scrape the surface then case.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26380101 - 12/13/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: Update xD I like it! But still too early..

Another update  One half of the casing that had more spawn mixed into it colonized faster. Day 1 one side has more spawn

Took this photo two days ago

And just took these photos
 When to expect pins? Since this is my first grow from a clone! Also deep substrate and high spawn/bulk ratio.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26386200 - 12/16/19 11:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pins will probably be pretty random because the surface isn't flat.
Hows it looking?
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: staytrippy420]
#26386440 - 12/17/19 04:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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staytrippy420 said: Pins will probably be pretty random because the surface isn't flat.
Hows it looking?
Yesterday morning saw tons of knots! will check on it tomorrow.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: staytrippy420]
#26388567 - 12/18/19 11:25 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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staytrippy420 said: Pins will probably be pretty random because the surface isn't flat.
Hows it looking?
Here are couple of pics, got knots city! Any tips on how !to fuck up
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26388588 - 12/18/19 11:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice. Just leave it alone and hope for the best! 
Dont mist. Your surface conditions look alright besides the brown puddles.
That bumpy surface is really annoying me for some reason
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