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ShamanBoof
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26368474 - 12/08/19 07:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Update xD I like it! But still too early..
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26368482 - 12/08/19 07:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Level that shit out!
Myc looks healthy.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26368490 - 12/08/19 08:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: Update xD I like it! But still too early..

Looks sooooooooo wet
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26368661 - 12/08/19 09:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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ShamanBoof said: Update xD I like it! But still too early..

Looks sooooooooo wet
Next time will water it a tad less. Though I did it intentionally, last time I cased, it was on the dry side and the mycelium ran like through the small clumps of casing and tried to eat it, it remained fluffy and did not turn rhizomorphic until later stages. I figured making the casing "wet" will physically prevent mycelium from penetrating casing clumps, instead running around it and forming rhizomorphic mycelium. I'll find out if it's working or not the next couple of days, looking good so far there are already little rhizomorphic formations all around!
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26368693 - 12/08/19 09:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Personally i could care less if a casing colonizes or not as long as it performs well. People get really hung up on casings and what defines them etc..
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26368735 - 12/08/19 10:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Personally i could care less if a casing colonizes or not as long as it performs well. People get really hung up on casings and what defines them etc..
I still new to growing mushrooms, so I don't what difference it makes if the casing is thin/thick, colonized or not, wet/dry, pH.. there are lots of parameters.. like I need to see by myself how it will behave against the whole spectrum of changes.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26370907 - 12/09/19 01:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cubes don't need a casing but I find that a thin top layer at spawn helps keeps surface moisture under control and promotes top pinning.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: staytrippy420]
#26371049 - 12/09/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Sounds like you had a casing that worked. You were waiting for it to be colonized while the sub was forming a pinset, which is why colonization stopped. Then you fucked up all the primordia with a knife, the stress reverted the sub back to its previous growth stage, at which point it started colonizing again.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: jbgtaa] 1
#26371103 - 12/09/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Not flaming but this is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Colonizing then casing then fruiting has been proven pointless and in a lot of cases harmful for cubensis Mushrooms.
you should go through and read your posts.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26371134 - 12/09/19 03:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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BigSurMoon said:
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jbgtaa said:
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Not flaming but this is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Colonizing then casing then fruiting has been proven pointless and in a lot of cases harmful for cubensis Mushrooms.
you should go through and read your posts.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26371780 - 12/09/19 07:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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BigSurMoon said:
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jbgtaa said:
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Not flaming but this is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Colonizing then casing then fruiting has been proven pointless and in a lot of cases harmful for cubensis Mushrooms.
you should go through and read your posts.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: feldman114]
#26371800 - 12/09/19 07:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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feldman114 said:
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Sounds like you had a casing that worked. You were waiting for it to be colonized while the sub was forming a pinset, which is why colonization stopped. Then you fucked up all the primordia with a knife, the stress reverted the sub back to its previous growth stage, at which point it started colonizing again.
Very possible, I think I've figured it out though, here's the theory, substrate colonized from a clone are more likely to get shocked by late casing, because the mycelium from a clone tends to reunite with mycelium growing from other inoculation points. Mycelium from MS has less tendency to combine, instead likes to grow on top of the other mycelium. Just a theory don't quote me on it.. but as long as the mycelium are growing and didn't stop, you can case. Once they found each other and reunite on the surface (no longer growing up, and they stopped doing anything), it's too late for a casing, either fruit sans casing or scrape the surface then case.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26380101 - 12/13/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: Update xD I like it! But still too early..

Another update  One half of the casing that had more spawn mixed into it colonized faster. Day 1 one side has more spawn

Took this photo two days ago

And just took these photos
 When to expect pins? Since this is my first grow from a clone! Also deep substrate and high spawn/bulk ratio.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26386200 - 12/16/19 11:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pins will probably be pretty random because the surface isn't flat.
Hows it looking?
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: staytrippy420]
#26386440 - 12/17/19 04:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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staytrippy420 said: Pins will probably be pretty random because the surface isn't flat.
Hows it looking?
Yesterday morning saw tons of knots! will check on it tomorrow.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: staytrippy420]
#26388567 - 12/18/19 11:25 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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staytrippy420 said: Pins will probably be pretty random because the surface isn't flat.
Hows it looking?
Here are couple of pics, got knots city! Any tips on how !to fuck up
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26388588 - 12/18/19 11:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice. Just leave it alone and hope for the best! 
Dont mist. Your surface conditions look alright besides the brown puddles.
That bumpy surface is really annoying me for some reason
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