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ShamanBoof
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So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it?
#26363554 - 12/05/19 05:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also what about spawning to casing, or both, scraping the surface and mixing in into the casing.
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ShamanBoof
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26363615 - 12/05/19 06:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26363631 - 12/05/19 06:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Scraping colonized subs is pointless
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: cronicr]
#26363673 - 12/05/19 06:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds like another thing for impatient people to do so they feel like they are speeding things up.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: cronicr]
#26363703 - 12/05/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: Smartattack]
#26363712 - 12/05/19 07:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Smartattack said: Sounds like another thing for impatient people to do so they feel like they are speeding things up.
Not really. Already backed up with cubes for the next year I was just wondering.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26363733 - 12/05/19 07:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is "shock" state?
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26363744 - 12/05/19 07:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I treat my subs like gold. I would never intentionally harm the sub. Healthy sub = healthy fruits. The sub is life...
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26363749 - 12/05/19 07:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: What is "shock" state?
My dude, never mind half of the crap i say. Referred to it doing NOTHING after casing except turning gray by a shock state. Now I apply casing after no more than 2 days after spawning.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26363758 - 12/05/19 07:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn’t it supposed to not really colonize the casing, just kinda develop underneath then pop pins through??
I’m not sure but that’s what I’ve been thinking for some reason.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: A.k.a]
#26363777 - 12/05/19 07:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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A.k.a said: Isn’t it supposed to not really colonize the casing, just kinda develop underneath then pop pins through??
I’m not sure but that’s what I’ve been thinking for some reason.
Some growers say so, others like to use thick casing and they let colonize anywhere between 50-100% I guess it's like the fight on which is better thin or thick pizza crust
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: staytrippy420]
#26363782 - 12/05/19 07:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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staytrippy420 said: Healthy sub = healthy fruits. The sub is life...
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26363793 - 12/05/19 07:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel dumber now. I hate that.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: Smartattack]
#26364072 - 12/06/19 12:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Smartattack said: I feel dumber now. I hate that.
LOL!!! Me too!
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cronicr said: Scraping colonized subs is pointless
That's what I thought!
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A.k.a said: Isn’t it supposed to not really colonize the casing, just kinda develop underneath then pop pins through??
I’m not sure but that’s what I’ve been thinking for some reason.
Wow! Is that what's supposed to happen? Not at all what my impression was. I thought the casing was supposed to help hold in moisture and was to eventually wind up fully colonized before pinning. Of course, I think I've been only using a "pseudo-casing" of about 1/4 inch. It seems to be working well.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26364154 - 12/06/19 02:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Not flaming but this is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Colonizing then casing then fruiting has been proven pointless and in a lot of cases harmful for cubensis Mushrooms.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26364276 - 12/06/19 05:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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?? nothing wrong with what I said, I wasn't recommending anything to anyone and I clearly said that the mycelium did not like to be cased after full colonization (at least the genetics im working with). basically I said that scraping the surface of substrate and mixing a small amount of the sub with the casing did help. That's why I made this post, to see if someone else had the experience. In regard to what did say about casing -even though that I believe the same as you. you dont have the right to dumb this and that because you can't prove it. So it's an opinion.. which I don't give a dam about.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: ShamanBoof]
#26364587 - 12/06/19 09:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Casing layers don't need to colonize depending on how thick you apply it. 1/4" thick casing layer you just stick it into fruiting. We don't spawn to casing, it's job is to put a micro climate on the surface of the substrate
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: cronicr] 1
#26364843 - 12/06/19 11:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let's clarify some things.
Adding a layer of coir after you spawn is not casing. This is done so that exposed grains don't dry out.
Casing is a layer that's added to the top of a colonized substrate to provide humidity at the surface. You don't want a casing layer to colonize. The mycelium should tunnel through it.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: Asura]
#26366115 - 12/07/19 12:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Asura said:

Let's clarify some things.
Adding a layer of coir after you spawn is not casing. This is done so that exposed grains don't dry out.
Casing is a layer that's added to the top of a colonized substrate to provide humidity at the surface. You don't want a casing layer to colonize. The mycelium should tunnel through it.
Hey Asura, I don't have to worry about Coco coir because I can't find it nor verm locally. I use pure pH buffered peat moss, I would like to add verm too when it's available.. thin layer of casing is not working great for me, since I'm using 1:1-2 spawn:bulk so the casing layer is getting steamrolled by mycelium after the first flush. It's still fruiting on top of the casing but that defeats the purpose of using casing layer like you said. That's why I use thicker casing because 1:1 substrate will overlay thin casing. Here is a pic of 1:1.5 sub you can see how the casing layer is covered..
 Any solution? Other than lowering nutrients.
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Re: So what is the theory behind scraping the surface of the sub before casing it? [Re: cronicr]
#26366130 - 12/07/19 12:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:
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ShamanBoof said: When I case after immediately after spawning, the mycelium colonize the casing without any problems, if I let it go like a week days after full colonization without a casing layer, sometimes it seems like the mycelium wont touch the casing and kinda gets grossed out of it. Sticking the tip of a knife in and moving it around with the casing on, seems to get the mycelium out of the "shock" state. Worked for me couple of times What about spawning to casing?
Casing layers don't need to colonize depending on how thick you apply it. 1/4" thick casing layer you just stick it into fruiting. We don't spawn to casing, it's job is to put a micro climate on the surface of the substrate
Thanks for the input cronicr, too late though, I've already cased cloned Redboy tub (ahaha more like toolbox). Scraped the surface then mixed it with the casing.  Kinda worried about exposed grains, hopefully I don't end up casing the casing.
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