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Jokeshopbeard
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26363224 - 12/05/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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meaculpaUIO said: Human lives are worth nothing to many of us
Such a sad and hard fact to accept that isn't it? Life is so cheap in this world - in the grand scheme of things - money is so much more important.
Ugh.
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Boomer The Great

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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26363247 - 12/05/19 03:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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meaculpaUIO


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Boomer The Great] 1
#26363267 - 12/05/19 03:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its sad, because you wonder the distance
How can my heart and other hearts be so different
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theRealrollforever
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: meaculpaUIO] 1
#26363293 - 12/05/19 04:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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All this talk of health care as a right made me think of George Carlin’s bit on them. “ you either have unlimited human rights, or none at all. I have the right to do whatever I want and you have the right to stop me.”
Point being that human rights are conceptual and not real. Only in our comfy society is healthcare and food stamps etc are considered rights. Why don’t Africans and citizens of other developing nations not have these “rights” if they are indeed “rights”
Edited by theRealrollforever (12/05/19 04:05 PM)
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Id rather have honest slavery than dishonest democracy. What we say we have decided has to count for something.
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koods
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#26363456 - 12/05/19 05:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Look you guys dont want the government to run fucking healthcare are you joking. Do you want your health care to be run like the fucking army? Are you retarded? So you think its gonna cost less? You think they're gonna do the right thing? Fucking calling me a bootlicker.
Nobody is saying government should run healthcare. You don’t even understand the issue so why are you posting like you do
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theRealrollforever said: All this talk of health care as a right made me think of George Carlin’s bit on them. “ you either have unlimited human rights, or none at all. I have the right to do whatever I want and you have the right to stop me.”
Point being that human rights are conceptual and not real. Only in our comfy society is healthcare and food stamps etc are considered rights. Why don’t Africans and citizens of other developing nations not have these “rights” if they are indeed “rights”
So your argument is we should follow the example of countries you would never want to live in?
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: meaculpaUIO] 1
#26363532 - 12/05/19 05:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's xmas, and I have a SEVERE santasy!
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: tyrannicalrex] 3
#26363702 - 12/05/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Wow you guys are right my comrades let's give everyone communist medicine and let russia walk all over everyone. God fuck America
Too late, America is already fucked, and it's citizens are too fucking stupid to realize it.
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tyrannicalrex said: Then why don't those fucking greedy asshole scumbags rich motherfuckers pay their fucking fair fucking share!!!??? Tax loopholes etc...they DO NOT PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE!!! Hypocritical fucking greedy slimy scumbucket fucks!!!
QFT!!
You can blame the Republicans for this shit-show. Everytime they get in office thet blow up the debt by giving tax breaks to the Corporations and their Billionaire owners.
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theRealrollforever said: ........people simplify this stuff. Some people might get priced out of a prescription in the US that they need. That is atrocious. When you take into account that a HIGHLY SKILLED & EDUCATED doctor needs to perform surgery to save some people it’s not quite as simple as saying “healthcare is a right”. If you don’t get this you are simple. I truly feel for poor sick people but if the cost of their treatment is prohibitive to society it ain’t gonna happen. Simple as that. Life isn’t fair for any of us and cards that are dealt are dealt. Quit crying about healthcare statistics. Do you know anyone personally who is going to die and can’t receive treatment? Doubt it. If you do I bet the surgery is literally at the forefront of medicine. Ya can’t offer that stuff for free without stealing someone’s time and livelihood. The country would collapse or surgeons and expert doctors will quit. Also bankruptcy ain’t shit don’t seek medical treatment if you can’t afford it. If you’re gonna die you won’t be turned away and at that point bankruptcy ain’t shit like I said.
More proof that the average American is a blithering fucking idiot.
Every other Western Nation on the planet guarantees free health care at the point of service.
Every. Single. Fucking. One.
The fact that so many U.S. citizens cry "Socialism!!" Every time this topic pops us is more proof that they are uneducated buffoons.
By any ruler you want to use, those nations with a single-payer / universal health care system, have far better results than the U.S. does at half the overall cost.
The American dream is dead.
Anyone who can't see that has been blinded by the very Corporations who have been shitting on them their whole miserable life
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Boomer The Great said: So much in this thread. So much falling for propaganda.
So true. The ignorance is astonishing.
And here is a shining example of it ...
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: If no one can make a profit whos gonna develop the new drugs for free with out anyone stealing the money?
Most drug research was funded with U.S. tax dollars.
In fact, most of the innovation we see in society today was funded with tax dollars.
Yet, there is hope that not all Americans are lost
Example ...
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Boomer The Great said: We aren't helping anyone over seas. All we are doing is being terrorists. We also aid in genocide in Yemen.
THE UNITED STATES MILITARY ARE THE ACTUAL TERRORISTS IN THIS WORLD!!!!
We've been at constant war since the end of WWII ITS TIME TO COME HOME!!!!!
The U.S. is the biggest terror organization on the planet.
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Jokeshopbeard
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Jailbird420]
#26363864 - 12/05/19 08:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jailbird420 said: The U.S. is the biggest terror organization on the planet.
QFT.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Jailbird420] 2
#26363934 - 12/05/19 09:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jailbird420 said:
The U.S. is the biggest terror organization on the planet.
At least you made it clear that there is no need to take you serious.
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: lowbrow]
#26364109 - 12/06/19 01:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The amount of fallacious arguments being pushed as "fact" in this thread, from both sides, have themselves caused my insurance to rise.
Thanks guys.
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Boomer The Great]
#26364118 - 12/06/19 01:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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meaculpaUIO said: Its funny how you can have so many of the population actively and politically oppose decent health care for poor people
Human lives are worth nothing to many of us
its just the tribe, everything else can go in the meat factory
This is an incredibly weak argument from morality IMHO. The majority of this thread is, TBH (as expected in politics).
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Boomer The Great said:
you are hopeless. Keep supporting the military industrial complex. they really got you cheify. you are a lost cause.
Peace 
Just like Bernie Sanders and the "progressive left" have you fooled with their brand of propaganda, into thinking they aren't the other arm of that very same industrial complex trying to fuck you over in a brand new way?
Those people on the left raking in campaign money at your expense and hope for a better future - all while pretending they give a fuck about you and your health - doesn't constitute the same, if not MORE level of 1% greed-rage-contempt within you? Does not compute, comrade.
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26364162 - 12/06/19 02:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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We wont get out out of economic inequality by voting right side. Finished.
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: meaculpaUIO] 1
#26364198 - 12/06/19 03:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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What's the point in paying taxes if you're not getting free healthcare? Must be for the police state 
If a cop shoots you, do you still gotta pay all those medical bills??
2.5k for an ambulance!!!! Fuck that I'll just catch a taxi
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Tripsurfer
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: azzbo]
#26364220 - 12/06/19 03:38 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Our healthcare system used to be government run but costs were getting out of hand because of a lack of market-workings. The system became privatized and now costs are getting out of hands because profits and an influx of people benefitting from the system without contributing to that system.
Here in the Netherlands we dont have free healthcare. I pay around €1800 a year in mandatory health insurance on top of the 32%, 42% and 52% tax brackets that I also pay into. My partners insurance is a bit more encompassing and costs her €2500 a year.
One of the pro's of having a nations government involved is the ability to control certain costs. In regards to the price of medication the negotiation strength of an entire continent is quite strong.
You either lower the price or we allow a cheaper copy from Asia onto the market
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Loaded Shaman] 2
#26364290 - 12/06/19 05:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Loaded Shaman said:
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meaculpaUIO said: Its funny how you can have so many of the population actively and politically oppose decent health care for poor people
Human lives are worth nothing to many of us
its just the tribe, everything else can go in the meat factory
This is an incredibly weak argument from morality IMHO. The majority of this thread is, TBH (as expected in politics).
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Boomer The Great said:
you are hopeless. Keep supporting the military industrial complex. they really got you cheify. you are a lost cause.
Peace 
Just like Bernie Sanders and the "progressive left" have you fooled with their brand of propaganda, into thinking they aren't the other arm of that very same industrial complex trying to fuck you over in a brand new way?
Those people on the left raking in campaign money at your expense and hope for a better future - all while pretending they give a fuck about you and your health - doesn't constitute the same, if not MORE level of 1% greed-rage-contempt within you? Does not compute, comrade.
Nah sorry bud. Bernie has been fighting for this his whole career before he was in the spotlight. He is absolutely not part of the machine. The machine hates him that's why they are doing everything in their power to stop him. He holds the same values as FDR they hated him too, the people loved him. Not everyone in this world is bad. Bernie Sanders is a good honest man.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you say. We are gonna win no one can stop us. He just reached 5 million donations not a single one from a billionaire. The revolution has started. You can't stop us no matter how much you grasp on to the old talking points no one is falling for anymore.
Edited by Boomer The Great (12/06/19 06:22 AM)
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Boomer The Great

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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Loaded Shaman] 1
#26364297 - 12/06/19 05:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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See all you can do is tell people they are wrong. And can't come up with a better plan or idea.
NEXT!!!
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meaculpaUIO


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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: Boomer The Great] 1
#26364395 - 12/06/19 06:57 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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What alternative to a good public healthcare do people support then?
Its so strange and crazy to social democrats to witness this abhorrent wasteful attitude to human life and human life quality.
Are we one species united or one divided apart?
You know the answer is the latter but it is because every single one of us tolerates this on some level, and sheds the responsibility of breaking the cycle both collectively and individually
Politic and political awareness has gone to shit in the western civilization We accept so much corruption every day We barely enforce the secular society in view of extreme religion The public speech is one of hate and conflict And many are undereducated in a major manner considering the knowledge and competence of those at the top of society Its a system of cruel capitalism, of polarized conflict, of political dumbness and cheapness.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL
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Re: British people try to guess US healthcare cost [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26364437 - 12/06/19 07:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im saying crackdown with like serious enforcable regulations like we had to do with everything else. let these people know if they want to do business they have to do it the right way or else. people that have been doing already illegal and unscupulous things need to be fined and actually go to jail.
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