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SpunkyMonkey88
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Dried vs fresh potency
#26362575 - 12/05/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I know fresh mushrooms are more potent but is it noticeably so?
I'm looking for a fresh mushroom dose equivalent to 3.5-4 grams dried...
Would I just eat 90% more since they are 90% water?
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I wouldn't say noticeably more potent ..they tend to hit faster as with dried you wait for psilocybin to convert to psilocin but with fresh the psilocin is there and ready to start fucking your shit up
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Re: Dried vs fresh potency [Re: cronicr]
#26362611 - 12/05/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: I wouldn't say noticeably more potent ..they tend to hit faster as with dried you wait for psilocybin to convert to psilocin but with fresh the psilocin is there and ready to start fucking your shit up
I had no idea, I thought both dried and fresh contained both active alkaloids. Why would it be in one but not the other?
So does that mean a 40g fresh dose would be close to 4gs dried?
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SpunkyMonkey88 said: So I know fresh mushrooms are more potent but is it noticeably so?
This all depends on how you understand "potency" and on what balance of actives are actually in your mushrooms. IME mushrooms lose 90 to 94 percent of weight when dried, and maybe a bit of potency.
Mushrooms produce a variety of active compounds, and the ratios between them depend on genetics and growing conditions. The same strain of mushrooms can produce a different balance of actives under different conditions. Psilocin is the compound that causes much of the effects you feel. But psilocin isn't very stable, so you probably lose much of it when you dry a mushroom. Psilocybin is chemically similar but much more stable. Your body (slowly) converts the psilocybin you eat into psilocin, which then produces the effects.
If you happen to have fresh mushrooms with a high concentration of psilocin, eating them fresh will get most of the psilocin into your body and you'll get the effects quickly because you don't have to wait for your body to convert psilocybin into psilocin. That same mushroom, when dried, will lose potency because the psilocin in it gets degraded through oxygenation.
If you have a mushroom with a high psilocybin content but low psilocin content, drying it won't affect the potency as much. Conceivably this balance might change even between flushes from the same grow, as the mycelium depletes its nutrient reserves. It all depends.
Also, your math isn't quite right. If a mushroom loses 90 percent of its weight, that means you eat 1/10th by weight of the dried material to get as much as was in the original mushroom (ignoring the issue of psilocin degradation, which might not matter anyway).
Another important factor is that, if you like the flavor of fresh mushrooms (button, oysters, shiitakes,...) you will probably enjoy eating fresh psilocybes much more than dried ones. If you hate the flavor of mushrooms, then drying them first will give you less material to choke down when you dose. It all depends.
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Psilocin is very unstable and breaks down fast and easy in the presence of light oxygen heat and fucking kittens.
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Re: Dried vs fresh potency [Re: cronicr]
#26362621 - 12/05/19 09:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldnt say more potent either. I'd say sharper. What cron said makes sense
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Re: Dried vs fresh potency [Re: cronicr]
#26362632 - 12/05/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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an easy way to figure it out is to move the decimal point 1 spot to the left 10 grams wet is about 1 gram dry 35 grams wet is about 3.5 dry
That’s gonna be a mouth full lol
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san pedro guy said: an easy way to figure it out is to move the decimal point 1 spot to the left 10 grams wet is about 1 gram dry 35 grams wet is about 3.5 dry
That’s gonna be a mouth full lol
35 grams cant be that bad... I've only had experience with dried shrooms but I cant imagine itd be that different... I'm ignorant tho..
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Re: Dried vs fresh potency [Re: cronicr]
#26362701 - 12/05/19 10:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's the water content of Tamps? I dried some but didn't compare my weights. I did make a freshie tea once with 25g. That was nice. I would try 35g fresh with next chance. As for cubes I suppose similar amounts would be appropriate.
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Re: Dried vs fresh potency [Re: Failboat]
#26362808 - 12/05/19 11:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Does anyone notice fresh shrooms last longer? It seems like I get 5 or 6 hr trip instead of 4hr trip on Freshys.
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Re: Dried vs fresh potency [Re: SFS96]
#26362830 - 12/05/19 11:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I definately get to liftoff more quickly with freshies. and (discounting the fact that I didn't employ any scientific method to arrive at this conclusion) I feel like I tend to have a slightly greater body load when eating fresh specimens. 40g is often my approximate go-to weight for dosing fresh, for what it's worth...
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SpunkyMonkey88 said:Would I just eat 90% more since they are 90% water?
mine are always higher water content than that.
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Re: Dried vs fresh potency [Re: blackout]
#26363036 - 12/05/19 01:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok well I got a little ahead of myself and picked 50Gs worth for tonight. I picked them because the veil had opened and I didn't want them to drop spores.
So I put them in one of my mini rounds in the fridge. Do you guys think that will help slow the degradation of psilocin?
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I wouldn't even worry about it, it makes up a smaller portion anyway
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Re: Dried vs fresh potency [Re: cronicr]
#26363074 - 12/05/19 02:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: I wouldn't even worry about it, it makes up a smaller portion anyway
What? What makes up a smaller portion?
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Psilocin.
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