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The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. * 1
    #26362025 - 12/04/19 11:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If you live in a large city in the U.S., Russia, or any other nation possessing nuclear weapons, there is at least one nuclear warhead aimed at you.
It patiently waits day and night for a computer to give it your address and send it on a 10 to 30 minute flight to incinerate you and your family.
There are many thousands of strategic nuclear warheads kept constantly ready to turn the cities of the world into hurricanes of fire.................................................................

The fireball would extend more than a mile in diameter and at its center produce temperatures of over 200 million degrees Fahrenheit, about four to five times the temperature found at the center of the sun.

At Pentagon City, a shopping and office complex 0.7 miles from ground zero at the Pentagon, light from the fireball would melt asphalt in the streets

About one second later, the blast wave and 750 miles per hour (mph) winds would arrive and toss burning and disintegrating vehicles into the air like leaves in a wind. The blast wave could cave in buildings and would turn windows and furniture into missiles and shrapnel.

This isnt even talking about the most destructive/powerful nukes out there...

"The largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, the Tsar Bomba, set off by the Soviet Union in 1961, produced an insane 50-megaton blast—about 3,333 times more powerful than the Little Boy bomb that leveled an entire city."

https://www.wagingpeace.org/the-effects-of-a-300-kiloton-nuclear-warhead-detonated-above-washington-d-c/


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26362043 - 12/05/19 12:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There are 3 big "waves" actually,

1 The Percussion blast wave, the invisible force shit that breaks windows


2 The heat and gamma radiation blast wave ( you know this but you blended the two)

3 The reverse shockwave, as the intense heat rises upwards there is a rush of air inwards towards the blast zone, this is what that mushroom cloud is

Not to mention the nuclear winds created by the heat differential that drive intense hot fires by supplying excess oxygen.


Sonic boom, heat, implosion, intense winds

Oh and dont forget about all the nuclear fallout in the form of undetonated uranium 235 or plutonium and any gross fission products like Sr-90 or Cs-137. Thyroid cancers fun stuff

There are so many ways a nuke can ruin your day :smile:


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362046 - 12/05/19 12:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

"There are about 14,500 nuclear weapons in the world. Nine nations are members of the world's nuke club."


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26362054 - 12/05/19 12:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There is nothing to worry about. The thing about big atomic bombs is that the world is not big enough to use them

Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Also the disaster at Chernobyl and Fukushima.

The radioactive particles distribute widely and when we unleash this shit we end up contaminating the world. The atomic bombs you are looking at are so fucking big a country couldnt use them without expecting to also be affected by the nuclear fallout.

In this way, excessive powerful nukes guarantee nuclear peace rather than war


The real threat is an enemy without self-preservation, nuclear terrorism.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26362058 - 12/05/19 12:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone who was born after the 1940's has Radionuclides (IONIZING RADIATION) Built into their tissue
There are 3 kinds of radiation.

EMF radiation - You are exposed to it every day by all electronics.

Solar radiation - A mostly non understood part of our solar system

Ionizing radiation - (NUCLEAR RADIATION)


It really is pretty horrifying how it works.

Your body mistakes it for nutrients it needs and it gets built into your tissue.

The turn over rate for bone is about 3-4 years.

Your heart supposedly Heals about 2% every year.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362065 - 12/05/19 12:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There are so many scenarios where one could be used either by accident or by a rouge nation....


Its disgusting how many nuclear disasters there have been only since the 1940s....


The Hanford site in WA state has left a legacy of strange cancers all across Eastern Washington and northern Oregon.

There have been 1000's of nuclear tests in only a matter of 60ish years

There's a Lake in Russia that is FATAL after 10-30 minutes of standing by the shore.

You dont get cancer.... You get radiation poisoning and die.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26362071 - 12/05/19 12:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think you are on the right track but there is more to understand

Certain isotopes get "built" into you because they mimic the role another element would play.

You are right about bones, Cs-137 (Ceasium) gets mistaken for Calcium and gets built into bones, its less strong but the real problem is that unstable isotopes are called such because they spontaneously give off radiations so if you build a bad isotope into your body tissue it emits alpha (a helium nucleus) and Beta particles (An electron) that can IONIZE stuff in your cells.

The danger is from these particles fucking up your DNA on the physical level. If they are inside you they throw off these particles They can break shit and it has to be repaired and mistakes can happen during repair this is what leads to mutations but not like X men mostly just fucking cancer.

Radiation poisoning is mostly from acute exposure, like getting blasted with radiation. Basically if you get microwaved by Gamma rays (nuke heat rays that burn shit)that can lead to radiation poisoning

Most people affected by these disasters are because radioactive isotopes are inhaled/ ingested from food and then once inside they emit particles that fuck you up on the cellular level leading to cancer


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362079 - 12/05/19 12:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Here is something interesting.

In Hiroshima, People were able to reenter the bomb blast site within a month without worrying about health effects

In Chernobyl, the site remained uninhabitable for years upon years, I think it still is harmful to your health to go there

This is because a nuke unleashes 90% of the energy as gamma rays and the blast sucked all the dust and particles into the stratosphere where they were carried away from the site


At Chernobyl, the cooling systems of a reactor core failed after a test and a hydrogen explosion blew the roof off the building spewing a cloud of nasty fission products into the lower atmosphere, the nasty shit did not get swept up and away, but the thing is that the nuclear core was still undergoing fission they could not stop it so the site was not only coated in fallout but it was actively spewing out alphas betas and gammas unlike the atomic bomb which just made 90% of its shit into pure gammas and then its over


Real interesting shit


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362086 - 12/05/19 12:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

"I think you are on the right track but there is more to understand"

Nuclear physics :laugh:

We could talk about it all night


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362092 - 12/05/19 12:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You gotta admit that there is something enigmatic about how nuclear decay is both random and unstoppable

Nothing you can do can change it, gotta be some whole field or type of force that we lack the ability to perceive


I feel like monkey me know nothing in the grand scheme


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26362094 - 12/05/19 12:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

At Chernobyl, the cooling systems of a reactor core failed after a test and a hydrogen explosion blew the roof off the building spewing a cloud of nasty fission products into the lower atmosphere,

The fire burned for 10 days, blanketing most of Europe in fallout.

"A COLLEAGUE OF MINE IS A EUROPEAN DOCTOR WHO CLAIMS HE HAS SEEN MORE CANCERS WORKING IN NORTHERN EUROPE IN 1 YEAR THAN HE HAS SEEN IN 10 WORKING IN BERLIN"

North sea fish is a nono
The locals don't eat it, it get exported

Stay away from that Columbia river salmon too, Hanford dumped high level nuclear waste into the Columbia river basin for decades.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362102 - 12/05/19 12:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Not only that but the epigenetic changes caused to your body and all that nasty gets passed to future generations


We can never attribute one persons cancer specifically to an event but how many grains of sand does it take before you make a mountain


Fukushima was only 2011 the long term effects are still unkown


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362121 - 12/05/19 01:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Another can of worms completely.

Little do many people know, FUKUSHIMA was actually 3 simultaneous meltdowns.....

They have yet to contain them....

I was reading an article a while back about how they cant even get robots close to the cores, they get fried by radiation and die.

The way they contained the Chernobyl core was nothing short of brilliant.
The "CONCRETE SARCOPHAGUS"


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362124 - 12/05/19 01:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Tell me more about how they contained this beast





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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362137 - 12/05/19 01:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I mean the whole thing was a cover-up from the beginning

"On December 22, 1988, Soviet scientists announced that the sarcophagus would only last 20–30 years before requiring restorative maintenance work. In 1998, with the help of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, a conservation programme was completed that included securing the roof beams from collapsing. Nonetheless, the rain-induced corrosion of supporting beams still threatens the sarcophagus' integrity.[5] It was revealed that the water is leaking through the sarcophagus via holes in its roof, becoming radioactively contaminated, and then seeping through the reactor's floor into the soil.[5]

The New Safe Confinement, rolled into place in November 2016, allows for the dismantling of the sarcophagus and for radioactive material to be removed.[13][14] The containment was expected to replace the existing sarcophagus in 2015. However, delays and a €100 million funding gap caused a yearlong delay, before being moved into place in November 2016.

As of April of 2019, the building is undergoing testing of its installed systems. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plant_sarcophagus


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362149 - 12/05/19 01:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like some real soviet spaghetti to me, hombre.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26362162 - 12/05/19 02:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, but what can you do though?

At least they have some kind of solution.

Japanese are never going to clean up their mess.

They say Fukushima would have been exponentially worse if the earthquake and tsunami didn't happen on a Friday afternoon when everyone was at their posts.

All 39 of their reactors could have melted down..

"As of May 2018, there are 39 operable reactors in Japan. Of these, 9 reactors in 5 power plants are currently operating. Additionally, 5 reactors have been approved for restart and further 12 have restart applications under review. Jul 18 2019"

Building a bunch of Nuclear reactors on a fault line called "THE RING OF FIRE"
Is really just a great illustration of post war American Ignorance

9/10 doctors smoke Camel

Asbestos the magic mineral

Secobarbital its what mommy needs


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Edited by Buckomcdoogle (12/05/19 02:16 AM)


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26362198 - 12/05/19 03:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Buckomcdoogle said:

North sea fish is a nono
The locals don't eat it, it get exported





What a bunch of fucking nonsense.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: koraks]
    #26363026 - 12/05/19 01:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Things like that bioaccumulate up the food chain.

Why does the fish and game department have recommended limits for fish consumption in certain water ways.

I grew up in upstate NY where mercury is the biggest problem.

There are certain lakes that are "dead lakes"

So polluted nothing can live in them

The North sea is not very big, Much of the chernobyl fallout made landfall in northern europe...

Not to mention the many nuclear disasters the UK is responsible for.


Spring, 1957 Windscale (now Sellafield), UK Radioactivity release contaminated about 800 farms and introduced Strontium 90 to domestic milk supply. Milk was sold to the public without any warnings.[56]
8 Oct 1957 Windscale/Sellafield, UK Fire ignites plutonium piles, contaminating surrounding dairy farms.[56] 0 78 5
May 1967 Scotland, United Kingdom Partial meltdown at Dumfries and Galloway. Graphite debris partially blocked a fuel channel causing a fuel element to melt and catch fire at the Chapelcross nuclear power station. Contamination was confined to the reactor core. The core was repaired and restarted in 1969, operating until the plant's shutdown in 2004.[57][58]
May 1977 Dounreay, Scotland, UK A hydrogen explosion at the plant caused by a reaction of potassium and sodium. This furthermore resulted in a concrete slab being destroyed, and the debris being scattered around the facility.
Sep 1996 Dounreay, Scotland, UK A fuel reprocessing plant was shut down after elevated radiation levels were detected in waste-water discharged to the sea.[59]
Feb 1998 Sellafield, UK Two workers exposed to radiation due to a leak from a damaged bag containing a nuclear filter.[60]
19 Apr 2005 Sellafield, UK 20 tonnes uranium and 160 kg plutonium leak from a cracked pipe at the Thorp nuclear fuel reprocessing plant 0 65 3[61]


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26363028 - 12/05/19 01:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Its not like this stuff breaks down in the atmosphere/environment....

It will outlive us by many millennia..


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26363039 - 12/05/19 01:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26375840 - 12/11/19 07:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The problem is not that it doesn't break down

The problem is that its CONSTANTLY breaking down and emitting ionizing radiation in the process.

We have yet to understand how to stop or even slow the rate of radioactive decay we just have to deal with it until there are enough decay generations

Also I was wrong about Ceasium in the bones, I was thinking about Strontium 90 that takes the place of Calcium in bone formation but the effects are the same its a radioactive isotope


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26376096 - 12/11/19 09:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The quicker the particular isotope breaks down the more radioactive it is.
That's why Iodine-131 is particularly dangerous,
The half life of Iodine-131 8.0197 days
The thyroid mistakes it for healthy Iodine and it gets absorbed

Any serious prepper keeps Potassium Iodine in their bug out bags/bunkers

An honestly its a really good idea, when fukushima happened their was an enormous shortage of (KI) tabs.
Radioactive iodine is one of the most volatile In the event of a nuclear disaster.

A very smart man once told me "The green stuff has its own logic"


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26376104 - 12/11/19 09:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

At the same time, a shorter half life means that the nuclide becomes safer at a faster rate too.

Generally we consider about 8 half lifes to be "fully decayed"

Thats like what 64 days for a sample of I-131 to decompose below the threshold compared to the 30 something year half life of Cs-137.

There are still significant readings of Cs-137 today, from above ground nuclear testing in the middle of the century

So I guess a short half life gives and takes


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26376114 - 12/11/19 09:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

At the same time, the radioactivity of Plutonium has nothing to do with its toxicity.

"There are two aspects to the harmful effects of plutonium: the radioactivity and the heavy metal poison effects. Isotopes and compounds of plutonium are radioactive and accumulate in bone marrow."

Plutonium absorbed by the body is excreted very slowly, with a biological half-life of 200 years.[127] Plutonium passes only slowly through cell membranes and intestinal boundaries, so absorption by ingestion and incorporation into bone structure proceeds very slowly.[128][129]

Plutonium is more dangerous when inhaled than when ingested. The risk of lung cancer increases once the total radiation dose equivalent of inhaled plutonium exceeds 400 mSv.[130] The U.S. Department of Energy estimates that the lifetime cancer risk from inhaling 5,000 plutonium particles, each about 3 µm wide, to be 1% over the background U.S. average.[131] Ingestion or inhalation of large amounts may cause acute radiation poisoning and possibly death. However, no human being is known to have died because of inhaling or ingesting plutonium, and many people have measurable amounts of plutonium in their bodies.[111]

There is a theory that the human body builds a resistance to it over time.

But who knows
Maybe we will evolve to resist it.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26376125 - 12/11/19 09:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

We kinda do

Metallotionines are a class of peptides/proteins the body makes in response to xenobiotics

They are a water soluble structure that our metabolism binds to things like metals in the body so that they can be filtered out by the kidneys and excreted.

Their synthesis can be induced by exposure but I dont think its anything like building drug tolerance, where your body produces the enzymes to metabolize the drug so much that your level of metabolic enzymes gets upregulated so you are primed to metabolize faster and faster

Uranium as a metal like U-235, U-239, or U-238 is highly renal toxic so, not even regarding radioactivity, this shit fucks you up by getting filtered to the kidneys.

Metals are no joke bro


The reason I dont think tolerance develops is because your metallothionines also play a role in preventing oxidative stress in your body by absorbing reactive species roaming inside you

If your metallothionines are all occipied binding to toxic metals there are less antioxidants available to prevent oxidative stress on your DNA which leads to cancer and shit.

Oxidative stress not only Damages your DNA but your actual cell walls too by fucking up the saturated fatty acids that are part of the cell membrane

I think its too damaging to build much of a tolerance to if you also account for other things the metallothionines have to deal with compared to the classes of toxicants metabolic enzymes are responsible for


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26376133 - 12/11/19 09:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

One of the biggest problems in the 3rd world.
All these Heavy metals end up in the water ways from industry, the people in these areas are accustomed to just boiling their water.

Little do they know they are slowly poisoning themselves.

Everything we eat is slowly becoming poisonous, I haven't touched fish in years.

"In the end all of the food was poisoned, and the only thing Odin would eat, was his own pigs"
Nordic book or Ragnarok (Apocalypse)


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26376140 - 12/11/19 09:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That's some sweeping claims bucko man but I hear your message.

Doom may come for mankind but my lifetime is but a blip in time.


There is a degree of nuance in the situation.

Anaerobic bacteria in underwater sediments can use these toxic metals in their chemosynthesis to sustain an entire community by producing energy at the base of the food chain in the anaerobic community


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    #26376147 - 12/11/19 10:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Which is good them for them but thats how metals biomagnify up the food chain because the bacteria and shit make the inorganic forms of the metals into organometals which are way more soluble in fats

Stuff like Methyl mercury (an organometal) can cross the blood brain barrier and hitch a ride into your cells by hopping onto ammino acids

They can even bind together nucleobases that would normally never bind together. Like linking two thymines together when thymine should only bind with adenine


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26376156 - 12/11/19 10:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have tendency to be cynical.

A lot of where I grew up in upstate NY is very polluted, Lead, Pcbs, mercury, Solvents etc.
Dead lakes that nothing can live in.

These things are slowly building up in our food


"Internal FDA emails reveal Roundup has been found in virtually all foods tested, including granola, oatmeal products, crackers and honey. Independent testing has found significant amounts of glyphosate in a wide range of foods as well, including grains (especially oats), legumes, beans, orange juice, wine and ice cream."

This is 1 thing of 100
Any time you ingest Beef you ingest dioxins
I could go on

But who knows, maybe we will evolve.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26376162 - 12/11/19 10:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26376165 - 12/11/19 10:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just chill out and pour yourself a bowl of glyphosphate and drink your tainted tap water like the rest of us


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26376177 - 12/11/19 10:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There's literally no way to avoid these things, thinking otherwise is craziness.
I like the Russian medical philosophy of
"The body will heal itself"


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26376185 - 12/11/19 10:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Who knows,
Maybe fungus can save the world
https://returntonow.net/2018/01/11/7-ways-mushrooms-can-save-world/
People like Paul Stamets and John Allen have inspired generations of young mycologists.

Fungus is perhaps one of the least understood parts of the outside world I talk to people about.

Mycology is a very mystified science


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26376195 - 12/11/19 10:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

"Stamets joined with Patel Laboratories to test the power of mushrooms to clean up diesel and other petroleum waste.

One spill was treated with enzymes, one with bacteria and one with mycelium.

After a few weeks, the other piles were dead, dark and stinky. The mycelium pile was covered with hundreds of pounds oyster mushrooms.

The mushrooms’ enzymes re-manufactured the hydrocarbons into carbohydrates, fungal sugars, Stamets said."

Incredible, the man really is a genius

Maybe someday something like this could be used to clean up our nuclear legacy


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26376203 - 12/11/19 10:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

do more research on the forum about staments

he can be a bit of a snake oil salesman about the powers of mushrooms


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26376234 - 12/11/19 11:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

"Host defense"?
I mean a guy has to make a living
I have never heard of him really doing anything shady.
We live in a culture where everyone sells out.
THEY PLAYED THE CLASH AT THE LAST RNC LMAO

The entire supplement industry is really for the most part full of shit.

The whole thing with the lions mane needs more research, as does everything else though really.

I guess there just isnt much financial interest in studying obscure individual species of fungus.

As far as I know what Paul says about microbe biodiversity in fungal decomposed soil is spot on.

I have never seen weed plants grow better than in mushroom compost.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26376239 - 12/11/19 11:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

you do you man

I didn't say hes worthless but he vastly overstates some of the stories he tells about what hes done with mushrooms

I dont believe the man poured motor oil onto oyster mushrooms and they ate it up no way


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26376256 - 12/11/19 11:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

But why not?

Isn't fungus's entire role in our ecosystem to break things down?

Ive heard of certain plants being used to absorb certain environmental toxins

Phytoremediation and phytomining of heavy metals rich soils by using plants which hyperaccumulate these metals in above-ground organs. The harvesting of the aerial part of the plants leads to the disposal of the huge amounts of toxic heavy metals removed from the soil or to the recovery of the valuable metals taken up.

Hyperaccumulator
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A hyperaccumulator is a plant capable of growing in water with very high concentrations of metals, absorbing these metals through their roots, and concentrating extremely high levels of metals in their tissues. The metals are concentrated at levels that are toxic to closely related species not adapted to growing on the metalliferous soils. Compared to non-hyperaccumulating species, hyperaccumulator roots extract the metal from the soil at a higher rate, transfer it more quickly to their shoots, and store large amounts in leaves and roots. The ability to hyperaccumulate toxic metals compared to related species has been shown to be due to differential gene expression and regulation of the same genes in both plants.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26376271 - 12/11/19 11:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Stop drinking the kool aid and do your own research.

Bio remediation can work but its not magic takes time and it can outright fail.

Attempts to sew millions of sunflower seeds after Fukushima to extract radioactive isotopes from the earth were deemed ineffective.

So much money and resources were dedicated to harvesting the sunflowers and then burying the plant matter underground where it was then paved over to make parking lots and shit.

The actual studied efficacy of mycoremediation is hit or miss


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26376278 - 12/11/19 11:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Japan is essentially a coral reef....
All of that radiation goes into the ocean.
They will never clean it up.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26376285 - 12/11/19 11:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Bro japan is no stranger to stuff like this

The Minamata disaster - 50 years on
By Dr Stephen Juan 14 Jul 2006 at 13:11

It is now 50 years since the most horrific mercury poisoning disaster the world has ever seen took place in Minamata, Japan.

In May 1956, four patients from the city of Minamata on the west coast of the southern Japanese island of Kyushu were admitted to hospital with the same severe and baffling symptoms. They suffered from very high fever, convulsions, psychosis, loss of consciousness, coma, and finally death.

Soon afterwards, 13 other patients from fishing villages near Minamata suffered the same symptoms and also died. As time went on, more and more people became sick and many died. Doctors were puzzled by the strange symptoms and terribly alarmed. It was finally determined that the cause was mercury poisoning.

Mercury was in the waste product dumped into Minamata Bay on a massive scale by a chemical plant. The mercury contaminated fish living in Minamata Bay. People ate the fish, were themselves contaminated, and became ill. Local bird life as well as domesticate animals also perished. In all, 900 people died and 2,265 people were certified as having directly suffered from mercury poisoning - now known as Minamata disease.

Beyond this, victims who recovered were often socially ostracised, as were members of their families. It was wrongly believed by many people in the community that the illness was contagious.

The chemical plant was suspected of being the culprit in the environmental disaster almost from the beginning of the illness outbreak, yet speaking out against the chemical plant was forbidden. The plant was a major employer and enjoyed considerable economic and political clout all the way to the national government.

Defenders of the chemical plant argued that it must be innocent since the plant had been in operation since 1907 without previous problems. It manufactured fertilizer.

A riot by local fisherman in 1959 finally moved the government to investigate the cause of the illnesses and deaths. Even so, it took officials 12 years from the first deaths to finally admit the cause of the contamination and order a halt to the mercury dumping into Minamata Bay.

Yet the Minamata disaster story is still not over. In 2006, in the Seishin Shinkeigaku Zasshi, Dr K Eto from the Japanese Ministry of the Environment and the National Institute for Minamata Disease, writes that: "Over the years, new facts have gradually surfaced, especially after 1995, with the resolution of the political problems surrounding Minamata disease".

For example, the mystery as to why the first 50 years of plant operation brought forth no disaster has been recently solved. It has been revealed that the plant modified its operations in August 1951 and started dumping large amounts of mercury directly into Minamata Bay only from that time.

The health of survivors and their children are being monitored. A permanent museum and annual community ceremonies commemorate the worst mercury poisoning environmental disaster ever. Today, 50 years on, the lessons of Minamata remain.


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Re: The Effects of a 300 kiloton Nuclear Warhead Detonated Above Washington, D.C. [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26376296 - 12/11/19 11:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

In the case of minamata

The chemical plant started making acetaldehyde using a mercury salt as a catalyst, they discharged this mercuric salt into the water but its not soluble in water so it was just sediments and then methanospirillum hungatei  bacteria in the sediment converted the mercury salt in the sediment into methylmercury and that is how it started and biomagnified up the food chain affecting all life that nourished from minamata bay


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    #26376308 - 12/11/19 11:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Wow. Hadn't heard of that.

Stuff like this certainly disproportionately effects cultures who rely on fish as their main food source.

There are a lot of Native tribes that have suffered generations of weird cancers and birth defects because of how evil our government has been to them over the years.
The Yakima rez is a great example.

The government gives them all of this land in 1855, then less than 100 years later they decide to build their plutonium finishing plant right next door.

Now its literally the most Radiologically contaminated superfund site in the U.S


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    #26376319 - 12/11/19 11:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Superfund is a supermeme that shits never getting cleaned up :rofl:


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    #26376325 - 12/11/19 11:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

How are we going to modernize our nuclear capabilities if we spend all of china's money on the environment.

pfft


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    #26376441 - 12/12/19 02:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)


Paul Stamets is just an old hippy
Putting away some gold for the grand kiddies.
science is constantly evolving and changing.

You're right though, if it was so breakthrough why haven't there been follow up studies.

I wouldn't doubt everything he says, but there definitely is some salesmanship there.

Even Einstein talked often about just how amazed he was with all of the things he didn't know.


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