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Can psychedelics save the world?
#26361160 - 12/04/19 02:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have lived most of my life in a rain-forest. Mushrooms grow naturally here as a part of the ecosystem. I have seen so many changes in local environment since I was a child with habitat loss, unabated development and resource extraction and more and more species threatened with risk of extinction. I fully believe that we are in the midst of a 6th mass species extinction and that human activity is the cause. Scientists are calling this era the Anthropocene because there is no place you can go on this planet where the effect of human activity is not detectable as a force on nature.
Mushrooms were always a deeply natural trip for me. I remember the hunting and picking of shrooms as a powerful connection to the forest. Even when picking in farmers fields where the cowshit was a perfect natural fertilizer, there was always a connection to the land and a reverence for the power of nature for me.
With our world so fractious and the global ecosystem so fraught with danger and destruction, is it possible that with psychedelics gaining more acceptance in the community at large again that tripping could be a way for more and more people to recover their connection with nature and the mysteries of time and space?
With more and more people discovering the psychedelic experience, could this actually be a path for humanity away from the materialism and violence of our economic system and towards a new relationship with nature?
Can psychedelics save the world?
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Ranger7227]
#26361213 - 12/04/19 02:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Probably way too hippy dippy a thread to get much response. I was feeling quite apocalyptic today for some reason.
I would love to hear if other people feel that connection to the Earth and nature as I do when tripping.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Ranger7227] 1
#26361239 - 12/04/19 02:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ranger7227 said: Probably way too hippy dippy a thread to get much response. I was feeling quite apocalyptic today for some reason.
I would love to hear if other people feel that connection to the Earth and nature as I do when tripping.
Not too hippy, very reasonable and good thread, many of us are just working and don't have time for long replies (and this is such a deep topic that I can write a 10 page reply as can most others)
I think they can save the world in every way
Physically :
- Connection with them causes us to re-examine how we treat the Earth, hopefully leading to better care of it.
- It can cure physical ailments in people (research is being done in the fields)
- Mycelium (not just of psychedelic fungi) is being used as an effective tool for cleaning up contamination on the planet (Look up Paul Stamets work. Theres a video of him "6 ways mushrooms can save the world")
Emotionally/Psychologically:
- It connects us with our mother Earth.
- It heals our traumas.
- It opens up our centers of love and gratitude.
- It humbles and awes us
Spiritually:
- It helps us cope with the implications of our mortality
- It gives us experiences that are unexplainable with our regular perception
- It makes us more willing to listen to the spiritual experiences of others
- It shows us things that are wholly "other" and/or "alien"
I can go more in depth but I don't have too much time atm. Just wanted to get this conversation going a little. Don't think the shroomery peeps aren't privy to this wonderful conversation, we're just currently fewer in numbers (but more concentrated )
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Ranger7227]
#26361254 - 12/04/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would like to think that psychedelics could save the world - and indeed, many people do. Psychedelics can foster ineffably powerful interpersonal connection and understanding. To the extent that the psychedelic experience changes the way we think about the world, each other, and our collective place within the world, a shared psychedelic experience on the macroscopic scale could change the world.
And yes, I also feel an intense connection with the earth. I often feel as if I am a plant or a hair or something on the surface of a larger, living entity - constitutive of, but also very much constituted by the earth.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Lavender] 1
#26361277 - 12/04/19 03:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always -want- to believe that psychedelics could save the world.
Then..... I remember how scientific advancement, global government and every philosophy and religion ever has always wanted to believe they could save the world too.
So, don’t get your hopes up, we are probably going extinct. 😊
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Great post, great reply. I feel obliged to write something!
I am / was a narcissist. It’s only recently I’ve worked that out. I’m 53, and have suffered from depression since, I believe, I was 8 years old. At its worst , I blamed my wife; my soul mate of 36 years. After we separated, I vowed to seek help, but ended up caving in to SSRIs. For 7 years.
Now when I was 20/21....1987, I took a few, with hindsight, ridiculous doses of liberty caps. It was pre-internet with little info on dose; you just boiled the carrier bag ful, and split between three. We used neat Vimto cordial mixed with the thick black tea, because there was so much to drink. Psychologically scarred me for life. I’d been taking LSD before mushrooms, and the first peak of the first trip, I realised that feeling was what I’d been searching for my entire life. (Why is the psychedelic headspace so familiar-feeling?) But after the mushrooms, I abstained for thirty years. Until July 2016. I’ve grown nd picked wild also. I am completely off the SSRIs for 3.5 years, nd my depression is much much improved; when i do get low, occcasionally now, I get out of it easier and quicker.
Mushrooms have saved my world; and hopefully restoring my wife and family’s happiness. Nd my parents. And I do full weeks at work these days too.
And I feel the connection with nature. Walking both my dogs has always been a pleasure, but now it’s just a blessing, quite simply. I notice things I wouldn’t have spared a second glance at years ago.
And I have seen through the lies. I’m now feeling more proud about myself for standing up to the establishment. They lie and control us, to keep us down, nd them at he top of the pyramid. Checkout the brexit referendum vote in the uk and you’ll see our democracy is a lie.
I’m so pleased I read the scientific research which dispelled all my previously held beliefs about drugs, and specifically psychedelics. Read Professor David Nutt’s book, Drugs; Without The Hot Air. The uk chief medical officer who got sacked for saying alcohol was the most dangerous drug and mushrooms were safe.
I have many negative things to say about social media, especially as my daughter is suffering anxiety and ocd, for which I blame the social media. But it is also doing so many great positive things. And the message it is spreading about psychedelics is only going to accelerate.
I am really positive.
Take care, DJ Ed
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26361333 - 12/04/19 03:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the thoughtful responses to all. I'm just heading out the door but I wanted to say I appreciate everyone's input.
It seems that for the most part we are pretty simpatico on this subject which is nice to know. It takes a village and all that...........
I'll get back to this thread and respond when I return.
Just an aside, Graham Hancock thinks all the worlds elected leaders should have to do an aya cleansing trip before actually taking office. Bring world peace or something like that.
He used to smoke a lot of weed though....lol
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Ranger7227] 2
#26361627 - 12/04/19 06:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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with extra leisure/underemployment we have to boost free education so that it will support more arts as well as sciences and further elevate curiosity and exploration to the prime activity in life, of which psychedelics are a natural part.
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What a great post. Thank you for responding.
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Physically :
Connection with them causes us to re-examine how we treat the Earth, hopefully leading to better care of it.
It can cure physical ailments in people (research is being done in the fields)
Mycelium (not just of psychedelic fungi) is being used as an effective tool for cleaning up contamination on the planet (Look up Paul Stamets work. Theres a video of him "6 ways mushrooms can save the world")
I am so encouraged by the research that is being done. Since they legalized weed here in Canada all of a sudden you can feel a shift in the national conscience towards loosening the restrictions we are all forced to live under in regards to doing what we want with our own minds and bodies.
A small beginning perhaps but the journey of a thousand kilometers starts with the first step. I will certainly check out Stamets work.
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It connects us with our mother Earth.
It heals our traumas.
It opens up our centers of love and gratitude.
It humbles and awes us
Agree completely. It does all those things. I always felt humbled and awed - like the Universe had gifted me something.
I would argue that it opens the mind to the magnificent beauty and the utter savagery of this thing we call life as well.
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Spiritually:
It helps us cope with the implications of our mortality
It gives us experiences that are unexplainable with our regular perception
It makes us more willing to listen to the spiritual experiences of others
It shows us things that are wholly "other" and/or "alien"
In my waking life I have never been the most spiritual creature in the world. Did you know that if you look up spirituality in the dictionary the most common definition is "of the spirit" which doesn't tell you a whole lot?
But I must admit when I am tripping, it certainly puts me in touch with my own mortality and the pure wonder of being alive.
I think it also adds a certain compassion, understanding and even love towards humanity and the human condition.
My supposition from the op is that if more people had greater access to really clean, legally supported psychedelics that it could possibly create a groundswell of a new relationship towards our fragile little home and our relationships with each other.
We were going down that road for a while before derailed by materialism and the need to deaden ourselves with drugs that numb the spirit to the reality of our rapacious society and it's war on conscious humanity.
We can get back there.........
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Lavender] 1
#26362926 - 12/05/19 12:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Me too. Often tripping is the only time I can get beyond my own ego and feel like I am actually part of something larger than myself.
I've had some magical experiences just wandering through the forests watching the trees breathe and the air sing.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26362938 - 12/05/19 12:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol, very cynical........I like it!!
Ya, I think we are probably doomed if we don't find a way to create a new relationship towards the planet and put resources into healing what's left and creating new habitat so that other creatures can not only survive but thrive.
If we don't change our relationship with Earth and each other, our economic system is just not sustainable and the result will eventually be inevitable.
Psychedelics may help with this - even if just a break from the depressing political climate - but I, like you, am pretty discouraged that humanity presently has the wisdom or intelligence to get past where we are now.
Hope I'm proven wrong.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Ranger7227]
#26362949 - 12/05/19 12:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll have to get back to this thread later.....again. Life intruding on internet time - alas.
Thanks for your insights everyone. I'll be back.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Ranger7227]
#26362966 - 12/05/19 12:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ranger7227 said: Can psychedelics save the world?
No, but they're fun anyway. Even if psychedelics were 100% useless except for recreation, I'd still use them. Even if they were straight up harmful I'd still use them.
Luckily I think they are useful for more than just recreation. They can be used in a really positive beautiful way. But saving the world? No.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: nooneman] 2
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they COULD save the world if everyone had the balls to use them. but they dont so oh well, death and destruction it is
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#26363240 - 12/05/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's what I was going to say. Psychedelics won't save shit, everybody using them would make a dent though.
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psychedelics won't ever change anyone who doesn't actively want to be changed / or is open to change
additionally, some brains of the biggest fucknuts in charge of shit may be wired so that psychedelics don't even affect them in a way that would produce positive change
there's never been any shortage of assholes that like psychedelics
nothing's gonna change the world... it will progress naturally as it always does
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: pixelpopper]
#26366106 - 12/07/19 12:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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To answer the question in the topic thread: Absolutely. And they absolutely will.
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pixelpopper said: psychedelics won't ever change anyone who doesn't actively want to be changed / or is open to change
additionally, some brains of the biggest fucknuts in charge of shit may be wired so that psychedelics don't even affect them in a way that would produce positive change
there's never been any shortage of assholes that like psychedelics
nothing's gonna change the world... it will progress naturally as it always does
There is a degree of truth to what you are saying. Everyone's psyche differs in how rigid it is when it comes to being restructured by the mushroom. The difference is especially profound when it comes to interpreting the experience of the trip rationally on ego-consciousness level and assimilating it as conscious knowledge and understanding. Some people will heal in 3-5 trips from massive traumas and shine for the rest of their lives, while others might even temporarily appear to become only more ego-centric and wild, possibly even malicious from their psychedelic experiences.
However, mushrooms work in mysterious ways - and I mean that literally. Whether one is putting up conscious and/or unconscious resistance to the transformation, the transformation is happening. IT CAN NOT NOT HAPPEN. What the mushroom does is intelligently loosen up one's personal unconscious psychic imprints, so that the levels of the collective unconscious that are involved in this mystery can interact with the personal psyche qualitatively much better and with a profoundly higher intensity. Whether there is resistance or not, there is some degree of psychic restructuring and at least some subsequent degree of neuroplastic change in the brain structure.
You have to stop thinking about these phenomena as molecules. The molecule is a key that unlocks specific doors. What heals and transforms is what comes through the door. What you are dealing with here is intelligence far beyond that of our own individual ego-consciousness. It knows what it has to do when it approaches a particular personal psyche. This is me purely speculating, for how could I actually know such things, but it is entirely possible that for ~20 trips it will be setting up some sort of ground-work with a particular shitty individual, and then on the 21st trip, accompanied by a synchronistic event designed to trigger a particular type of a "bad trip," it will smash the dude so hard that no amount of resistance will be able to prevent the lotus of contemplation from opening up inside the psyche.
The important thing is not to be judgmental and understand that everyone has their own path. You don't know their path. You are incredibly lucky if you figure out your own... what can we say with certainty about others?
You seem to be very convinced about the futility of transformation of our species, and, again, you are certainly correct about some individuals (e.g. a true psychopathic murderous brain might be impossible to heal); however, I believe that your personal negative projections are making it seem like there is much more of these types of people than there really are. There is a VERY SMALL amount of people who will not benefit from psychedelics, especially if done in correct setting with a good amount of preemptive knowledge dropped on their mind.
Success with something like that would require for there to develop a sophisticated culture of therapeutic/spiritual psychedelic use that becomes as mainstream and acceptable as drinking culture. Once we start to build such a culture, it will consume all of the bad apples and make them irrelevant even if they can't be fixed.
It is quite reasonable to suggest that it is the mushroom that made human beings out great apes in the first place. Then, whatever happened to us as species that traumatized us to the point of now hanging on the edge of extinction happened... but there is no reason to believe that the mushroom can't do what it did one more time and heal us all.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Ranger7227]
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Ideally, yes.
In reality, no.
There's still way, way too large a percentage of the population that's under the propaganda against psychs as anything except expediters of delirium.
Look at all the easy, illogical political low-hanging fruit bullshit people still obsess over. You think they'll be able to see straight enough to understand the chemicals, take them correctly, and actually benefit without fighting over it?
As a realist, I certainly don't.
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Loaded Shaman said: Ideally, yes.
In reality, no.
There's still way, way too large a percentage of the population that's under the propaganda against psychs as anything except expediters of delirium.
Look at all the easy, illogical political low-hanging fruit bullshit people still obsess over. You think they'll be able to see straight enough to understand the chemicals, take them correctly, and actually benefit without fighting over it?
As a realist, I certainly don't.
I agree. I would add to your point the fact of consumerism. It is a powerful force that dictates our lives and how we live it. Many different forces are at play in our society that shrooms couldn’t change. But, individually I’m doing my own part of separating and enjoying life.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: pixelpopper]
#26366506 - 12/07/19 09:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: they COULD save the world if everyone had the balls to use them. but they dont so oh well, death and destruction it is
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pixelpopper said: psychedelics won't ever change anyone who doesn't actively want to be changed / or is open to change
additionally, some brains of the biggest fucknuts in charge of shit may be wired so that psychedelics don't even affect them in a way that would produce positive change
there's never been any shortage of assholes that like psychedelics
nothing's gonna change the world... it will progress naturally as it always does
1 thing is those top players are not actually at the top.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: AZZI]
#26366510 - 12/07/19 09:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bill I gotta ask, all male?
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: AZZI]
#26366526 - 12/07/19 09:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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the world only exists to you in your mind
psychedelics can change a lot
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: feevers]
#26366589 - 12/07/19 09:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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True, that.
They can open and awaken potential.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: AZZI]
#26367064 - 12/07/19 02:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think so personally. I don't think we will end the world either. We'll do ourselves in before the world/earth ends, thank god. Before the human race, big disasters like big rocks hitting the earth happened that shaped the world into what it currently is and needed to happen in order for it to be habitable for us. Once humans extinct themselves, it'll just be part of nature and a blessing in disguise. Bollox to 'green' energy too there's no such thing. All aggressive civilizations extinct themselves eventually, and we're one of them IMHO.
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I read that Psilocybe semilanceata stops a disease that kills the roots of plants.it stops the disease from growing and spreading by producing a chemical that suppresses it I think it kills it as-well i need to read up a bit more but i wanna try growing p.semi mycelium to study those effects I'm not focused on the “trying to get it to fruit” i really wanna see if this is legitimate that would save a-lot of green-life now and in the future and I’m more than sure there are other species of fungi that are capable of this but no research has been done yet.
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: Mariochi64]
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Well I doubt we can save the world. Slow its inevitable destruction perhaps...
To be honest I personally think we are predetermined to destroy ourselves again and again. That it has happened before, and will happen again eternally. That we start with, and end with a bang, and are really nothing much more than a chemical reaction, significant only perhaps to whatever internal, or external lifeforms that happen to benefit from the inevitable fallout.
Theoretically we can escape the loop, all come together and sing Kumbaya, but the truth is that evil/greed rules us. Not just evil psychopaths, all of us, we are all responsible, but also not really to blame...
It's rather like Tony Soprano when he came out of his coma. He sensed he was doomed and wanted to change, but he couldn't do so, because he was Tony Soprano. It's rigged...
We want to save the world, but really what do any of us actually do to that end? Give up our cars, and our lifestyles that are choking the planet, or more impoverished individuals who don't even have cars, and use very few fossil fuels?
Most people consciously, or unconsciously take the smoker's attitude that it's not going to happen in my lifetime so fuck it. We are probably almost certainly dooming ourselves in the lives we are yet to live with this attitude but was/is it not worth it?
I think hippies also forget where we came from. What about the lives we lived before we got to this present age paradise, of heated/air-conditioned homes, and endless supplies of food and drink?
After all if you truly want to reconnect with nature, starve yourself of food and water for a few days, go outside with very few clothes on, in the height of winter, and try to catch yourself some dinner.
What is the plan for saving the world anyway, and where do we as individuals with jobs and families/responsibilities begin? Drop acid, and write things on internet forums?
What would 'being saved' actually entail as well? What kind of society are we talking about? Do we just grind to a sudden halt?
And how do we enforce this stop order without the very same evil, we are presumably seeking to eradicate?
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Re: Can psychedelics save the world? [Re: wolf8312]
#26377864 - 12/12/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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wolf8312 said: Well I doubt we can save the world. Slow its inevitable destruction perhaps...
To be honest I personally think we are predetermined to destroy ourselves again and again. That it has happened before, and will happen again eternally. That we start with, and end with a bang, and are really nothing much more than a chemical reaction, significant only perhaps to whatever internal, or external lifeforms that happen to benefit from the inevitable fallout.
Theoretically we can escape the loop, all come together and sing Kumbaya, but the truth is that evil/greed rules us. Not just evil psychopaths, all of us, we are all responsible, but also not really to blame...
It's rather like Tony Soprano when he came out of his coma. He sensed he was doomed and wanted to change, but he couldn't do so, because he was Tony Soprano. It's rigged...
We want to save the world, but really what do any of us actually do to that end? Give up our cars, and our lifestyles that are choking the planet, or more impoverished individuals who don't even have cars, and use very few fossil fuels?
Most people consciously, or unconsciously take the smoker's attitude that it's not going to happen in my lifetime so fuck it. We are probably almost certainly dooming ourselves in the lives we are yet to live with this attitude but was/is it not worth it?
I think hippies also forget where we came from. What about the lives we lived before we got to this present age paradise, of heated/air-conditioned homes, and endless supplies of food and drink?
After all if you truly want to reconnect with nature, starve yourself of food and water for a few days, go outside with very few clothes on, in the height of winter, and try to catch yourself some dinner.
What is the plan for saving the world anyway, and where do we as individuals with jobs and families/responsibilities begin? Drop acid, and write things on internet forums?
What would 'being saved' actually entail as well? What kind of society are we talking about? Do we just grind to a sudden halt?
And how do we enforce this stop order without the very same evil, we are presumably seeking to eradicate?
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wolf8312 said: Well I doubt we can save the world. Slow its inevitable destruction perhaps...
To be honest I personally think we are predetermined to destroy ourselves again and again. That it has happened before, and will happen again eternally. That we start with, and end with a bang, and are really nothing much more than a chemical reaction, significant only perhaps to whatever internal, or external lifeforms that happen to benefit from the inevitable fallout.
Theoretically we can escape the loop, all come together and sing Kumbaya, but the truth is that evil/greed rules us. Not just evil psychopaths, all of us, we are all responsible, but also not really to blame...
It's rather like Tony Soprano when he came out of his coma. He sensed he was doomed and wanted to change, but he couldn't do so, because he was Tony Soprano. It's rigged...
We want to save the world, but really what do any of us actually do to that end? Give up our cars, and our lifestyles that are choking the planet, or more impoverished individuals who don't even have cars, and use very few fossil fuels?
Most people consciously, or unconsciously take the smoker's attitude that it's not going to happen in my lifetime so fuck it. We are probably almost certainly dooming ourselves in the lives we are yet to live with this attitude but was/is it not worth it?
I think hippies also forget where we came from. What about the lives we lived before we got to this present age paradise, of heated/air-conditioned homes, and endless supplies of food and drink?
After all if you truly want to reconnect with nature, starve yourself of food and water for a few days, go outside with very few clothes on, in the height of winter, and try to catch yourself some dinner.
What is the plan for saving the world anyway, and where do we as individuals with jobs and families/responsibilities begin? Drop acid, and write things on internet forums?
What would 'being saved' actually entail as well? What kind of society are we talking about? Do we just grind to a sudden halt?
And how do we enforce this stop order without the very same evil, we are presumably seeking to eradicate?
Although harsh but I believe in your thoughts. I just hope I am long dead before the shit hits the fan and it’s too late... maybe world anarchy etc.. who knows. But to save us from our doom? I believe we will create a robot race that mimics us without the destruction that we cause... and this robot race will space travel and share our technology. As we self destruct..
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