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nimbochromis



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Need advice to formulate a good, cheap blend for growing wood lovers commercially 2
#26361111 - 12/04/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello, I am starting a small gourmet operation in my garage and am currently experimenting with the most cost effective substrates available in my area. I live on the TX gulf coast and it does not seem to be the best area for finding substrates. I have to drive almost an hour to get expensive straw @ 14 dollars for 50lbs(horses eat coastal hay here), and I've called several sawmills and all of them said they are not willing to let me come pick up sawdust/buy it from them.
To make matters worse, I can't find fuel pellets anywhere since it rarely gets below freezing here. The absolute best price I've been able to find on wood substrate is 16 dollars for a 40lb bag of mixed hickory/maple/apple BBQ pellets, sale price at wal mart.
Here's what I can get fairly cheaply:
- Whole oats for 10 dollars a 50lb bag
- milo/millet for 10 dollars a 50lb bag
- cotton seed hulls, 10 dollars for 50 lbs
- wheat bran @ 13 dollars for 50lbs
- mixed "meal feed", which seems to be a mixture of bran and corn meal, for 13 per 50lb bag
Does anyone have any suggestions on a mix for Lions mane and Shiitake, using minimal/no sawdust? I'd like to maximize use of the stuff I can get for 10 dollars a bag.
I've done some example mixes to get an idea of cost:
- 1) 60% CSH / 20% oats / 20% bran (about 2.20 per 10 lbs)
- 2) 60% CSH / 20% Oats / 20% BBQ pellets (about 2.40 per 10 lbs)
- 3) 60% CSH / 20% BBQ pellets / 20% bran (about 2.75 per 10 lbs)
- 4) 60% CSH / 40% BBQ pellet (about 2.80 per 10lbs)
- 5) 80% straw / 20% BBQ pellets (about 3.20 per 10 lbs)
Keep in mind I could swap out grains for CSH and the cost would be the same. Anything utilizing 50% or more of BBQ pellets would be approaching 4 dollars for 10 lbs. If you factor in other supplies/expenses, that would be approaching 6+ dollars per 10lbs of substrate, so would seriously cut into any profits.
Any thoughts or advice?
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Re: Need advice to formulate a good, cheap blend for growing wood lovers commercially [Re: nimbochromis] 1
#26366672 - 12/07/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can you get cheap soybean hulls down there? Those should be around $10 or less for 50#
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murderlabz
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Re: Need advice to formulate a good, cheap blend for growing wood lovers commercially [Re: bodhisatta]
#26368933 - 12/08/19 12:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can get conifer/pine and prep it for better yield (Check out the papers I posted) then mix it with soybean hulls to make "Master's Mix"
Pine is used for "stall bedding"
https://www.manta.com/mb_45_B206305R_44/shavings_wood/texas
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Re: Need advice to formulate a good, cheap blend for growing wood lovers commercially [Re: murderlabz]
#26369833 - 12/08/19 09:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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sorry brain fart
you might want to get in touch with these people: https://www.themushroomfactory.com/
they apparently use all kinds of stuff to grow mushrooms, I bet they'd be happy to point you in the right direction if you reached out.
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Edited by trubblesome (12/08/19 09:23 PM)
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nimbochromis



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Re: Need advice to formulate a good, cheap blend for growing wood lovers commercially [Re: murderlabz]
#26371958 - 12/09/19 10:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
bodhisatta said: Can you get cheap soybean hulls down there? Those should be around $10 or less for 50#
I'd imagine that I should be able to find them, but none of the feed stores close by have them. Once I get the wood thing nailed down I plan to track down the soybean hulls. In the meantime I have a 50# bag of bran to burn through.
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murderlabz said: You can get conifer/pine and prep it for better yield (Check out the papers I posted) then mix it with soybean hulls to make "Master's Mix"
Pine is used for "stall bedding"
https://www.manta.com/mb_45_B206305R_44/shavings_wood/texas
That's quite interesting. After smelling some of the wood I pulled from the pile in my back yard, it's definitely inhabited by some type of fungus, since it has a strong mushroom smell. I currently have some pint "bottle tek" jars that I started with some Lions Mane to test the various mixtures that I listed in my OP. Preliminary results look promising on the quart jar that I mixed all the leftovers from the mixes and did sort of a G2G transfer type inoculation. It probably had about 40% of the wood compost from the yard mixed in. It's already beginning to colonize after just a couple days. On the pint test jars, I bored a hole in the middle, so those are going to take longer to colonize.
Edited by nimbochromis (12/09/19 10:39 PM)
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Solipsis
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Re: Need advice to formulate a good, cheap blend for growing wood lovers commercially [Re: nimbochromis]
#26372851 - 12/10/19 10:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Myers seems to suggest a certain mix of milo and oats.
Idk the nutritional value of CSH and if its mostly lignocelluloid material but adding both oats and bran seems redundant in terms of micronutrition. So i then would skip on the bran at least for the most part, cause it would be included in the oats.
Perhaps for e.g. shiitake its more useful to add a supplement more focused on nitrogen if its not enough with the current supplements.
The composition of the BBQ pellets idk either but i assume like wood fuel pellets?
Mixing wood based pellets and CSH could be enriching but in terms of material composition also seems redundant. I would consider those proposed recipes unsupplemented ones. Which has advantages and disadvantages.
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