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How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid?
    #26360966 - 12/04/19 12:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So people say 5g mushrooms is a ton, but most online sources say it's equivalent to around 200ug acid. 200ug is not a lot of acid for me, i did 150ug in the morning once and had an entirely normal day. It does seem that my acid tolerance is naturally higher than others, but will 5g shrooms really give me a crazy experience?


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26360977 - 12/04/19 12:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

5g DRIED shrooms is the infamous heroic dose. Check out Terence McKenna on how to take mushrooms. I don’t know what 200 acid is, not having taken it for 30 years, but I can guarantee you that 5g dried shrooms and you will have a wild time. Presumably you mean cubensis, because 5g liberty caps will destroy you. On 5g cubensis, you may suffer ego death, but you will absolutely experience ego dissolution. You will feel eternity, you will feel the oneness of the universe, time will dilate significantly, you will see the elves, and you will be able to explore your mind and body in any way you choose. And you are really suggestible, so say you tell yourself you’ve taken mdma, you might as well find a rave, because you’ll be pumping your fists and shaking that booty.

Seriously pal, 5g will be great.

I am guessing you are experienced with psychedelics though not mushrooms, otherwise I’d be urging you to try 3.5g dry first. Consider a sitter for your first 5g though, get them to sit in another room. You may thank me.

Good luck, and enjoy.

Oh and pls post the trip report 😋
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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26360983 - 12/04/19 12:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I'm reading conflicting things. One one hand 5g is the heroic dose and should give me a wild experience. On the other hand online calculators say it's not equivalent to much acid.

Most I've ever done is around 650ug acid (albeit shortly after another much smaller trip). That's supposedly 15g shrooms. I don't believe it. Pretty sure I'd have been completely lost in other dimensions with no sense of reality had that been the case.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: DJ Ed] * 2
    #26361014 - 12/04/19 12:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Mushrooms can vary a lot in potency. LSD blotters or drops are often advertised higher as they really are.

Some find 2g of shrooms powerfull, others find even 4g weak. It has all to do with potency, and of course natural tolerance towards them.

Shrooms are potent (talking about P.cubensis) if 1 to 2g give you a pretty good trip already with obvious open eye visuals, hefty laughs and mindfuck and all.
Usually, 1 to 1.5g is enough to make your vision fluid, walls breath and surfaces flow. Even half a gram should give slight visuals.

With good shrooms, 5g is a truly powerfull dose. You are usually unable to walk or do anything other than laying down with closed eyes. Best to taken alone in a dark room on a couch or bed.


Acid is strong below 100mics already. 100mics give you a solid, decent trip with good visuals and headspace.
With 150mics everything in your vision is flowing and morphing heavy while beeing blasted with neon-colors. 200mics is truly powerfull!

I'd compare 2g of good cubes to 125 to 150mics of acid. The dose respond curve is not linear, so a doubled dose leads to trippled, or stronger, effects.

I haven't taken more than 300mics of acid, so I cannot say to how much 5g should compare. 300mics is enough for me, very strong visuals, close to lose connection to reality. Hard to "see" in general.
5g are pretty similar to that. But high doses of shrooms are totally different than high doses of lsd. Hard to compare those two in higher doses I'd say.. :shrug:

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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26361049 - 12/04/19 12:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The first time I took 3.5g I got destroyed, and thats after many years of LSD experience. Other times I've taken 5 and been cool but other times I've had ego dissolving experiences from 2g. There's so many variables, it's very hard to scale and the results are often not repeatable. That's why I think you are finding so many different answers to the same question.

My guess is you'll probably like it. The only word of warning I'd say is to be in a very safe place for your first few experiences, till you get used to it. It can be a lot more emotional than LSD on high doses and shit can get out of hand if you're not in the right place.

PS: and sorry for being rude to you in your other thread man, it wasn't very shroomy.  :peace:


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Pandemoon] * 2
    #26361057 - 12/04/19 01:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

First of all, what blotters do you have? You may think you dose higher than you actually are. High doses of shrooms are more intense and unpredictable than high doses of LSD.

I would say 5g of potent cubes = 400ug


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Northerner]
    #26361063 - 12/04/19 01:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The first time I took 3.5g I got destroyed, and thats after many years of LSD experience. Other times I've taken 5 and been cool but other times I've had ego dissolving experiences from 2g. There's so many variables, it's very hard to scale and the results are often not repeatable. That's why I think you are finding so many different answers to the same question.

My guess is you'll probably like it. The only word of warning I'd say is to be in a very safe place for your first few experiences, till you get used to it. It can be a lot more emotional than LSD on high doses and shit can get out of hand if you're not in the right place.

PS: and sorry for being rude to you in your other thread man, it wasn't very shroomy.  :peace:



This. I had a crazy potent batch and got strong level 3 trips every time from just 1g. From other batches I needed a lot more for the same intensity.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: grati]
    #26361072 - 12/04/19 01:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yes pretty much what others have said, potency can vary greatly between mushrooms and blotters you can almost be certain your blotters are under what they are advertised as unless you made them your self. Outside of that, mushroom dosage doesn't really matter as much as your intent going into it, the mushroom spirit is alive and will work with you, this is why we see such variation in trips from various dosages outside of the potency spectrum, you just never know with mushrooms as it is its own entity guiding you through the experience, when working with LSD, the entity persuading the trip is quality/intention of the crystal itself and ultimately you.

Its always best to start small so you don't overwhelm yourself and induce panic, besides sometimes less is more, and you can truly receive great insight just by listening and letting go on a low dosage. Use what works best for your body and mind, dosage guides are good for a general understanding but suck as they are highly personal.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26361101 - 12/04/19 01:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's not productive to compare high lsd and high psilocybin trips. Their different beasts.
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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26361332 - 12/04/19 03:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

CAVEAT: I haven’t taken LSD for over thirty years. And I have no idea what doses I took. I used regularly for 2 years when I was 20...the trips were strong enough that I could see the music, hear colours, time dilation, ego death, full on visuals (I once tried walking home alone on a come down, so I thought and had to turn back in shit scared panic t the fractal faces coming out of the trees at me.

So I had pretty strong acid.

But tht was NOTHING compared to my first high dose liberty cap experience. Admittedly far higher than the heroic dose, but it scarred me for life. I saw a counsellor from the local hospital for a while, thought I wa going mad, but fired him off when he admitted he had never taken a psychedelic!

But from memory, my recent 5g dry cubensis trips have been wild, and at times, really fucking scary! The come ups are always intense, brother, nd when you’ve eventually settled into the peak, and hey you’ve actually started enjoying the power you now have; the trip suddenly intensifies at a light speed exponential level. YOU INSTANTLY KNOW YOURE FUCKED AND THIS SHIT IS FUCKING REAL. Reality tears in front of your eyes, your loved ones simply vanish, and that’s it.

5g is no laughing matter, dude.

Stay safe, and above all else.....enjoy 👊🏻

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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26361510 - 12/04/19 05:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

depends how strong the mushrooms are. if they are atleast average cubes...5g will beat out any LSD experience you've had. You haven't seen anything yet. Take them.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 3
    #26362008 - 12/04/19 11:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

I've been humbled.


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    #26362126 - 12/05/19 01:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Never done LSD, but 5g dried cubensis took me to ego death (or as close to it), and about 3g dried pan cyans rocked my world the most so far. I have a DMT session planned for the week of Christmas this year.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26362135 - 12/05/19 01:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Going to be smoking or taking it orally?


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26362145 - 12/05/19 01:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I looks like I will be smoking it, with a very experienced older friend as a guide/sitter. I'm undecided if I want him to film me for science, or if I should just let it go. I have a feeling I'll forget he's filming or there's a camera in the corner while it hits, lol. I'd like to be able to semi-correlate my memory of the trip with my reaction on screen as kind of a "time stamp", if that makes sense.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26362147 - 12/05/19 01:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

cool.. i've only smoked smaller amounts so far. pretty cool but have not gotten into the real shit yet.

i may be taking my first DMT oral dosage around the same time. Was hoping to do it this weekend, but looks like my order of syrian rue isn't going to arrive in time.

i might do a large-ish dose of mushrooms instead.

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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26362177 - 12/05/19 02:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Holy. Fucking. Shit.

I've been humbled.



please share more!


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Northerner]
    #26362183 - 12/05/19 02:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Holy. Fucking. Shit.

I've been humbled.



please share more!



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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26362223 - 12/05/19 04:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I looks like I will be smoking it, with a very experienced older friend as a guide/sitter. I'm undecided if I want him to film me for science, or if I should just let it go. I have a feeling I'll forget he's filming or there's a camera in the corner while it hits, lol. I'd like to be able to semi-correlate my memory of the trip with my reaction on screen as kind of a "time stamp", if that makes sense.





i suggest not recording it.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26362439 - 12/05/19 07:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

5 grams is just 5 grams. With potent enough shrooms, and no prior tolerance buildup, it will make you unable to function in society for 5 hours or so. That said, McKenna was a bit of a tall tale teller. It's nothing to write home about as psychedelics go. "Heroic" is a dramatic overstatement, and this is coming from a person with lower tolerance levels than most others I know. It won't be as crazy as a regular smoked dose of DMT. In my experience, approximately equivalent to 200ug of acid sounds like a reasonable estimate. While the trips differ in spirit, you'll get a similar level of obliteration of personality and social unpresentability. :laugh:

Yes, blotters vary and are often overreported. They can also go bad in storage, and lose most of their potency. If you want to have a good idea if how strong a blotter really is, dissolve it in water and try microdosing it.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: PsyduckMonkey] * 1
    #26362443 - 12/05/19 07:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If you think 5g is equivalent to 200ug of LSD then I have nothing to say except that you are wrong.

An 8th of mushrooms is probably more intense than 200ug of LSD.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26362482 - 12/05/19 08:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If you think 5g is equivalent to 200ug of LSD then I have nothing to say except that you are wrong.

An 8th of mushrooms is probably more intense than 200ug of LSD.



Then you either have a very high tolerance to LSD while a low one to mushies, or you've had a really sleazy dealer who sold you old or weak blotters.

200ug of LSD is a go to space dose for me. Heck, 100ug of LSD is upper stratosphere and a phone call to God. Then again I'm not trying to diss mushrooms, they are pretty powerful, and I like them quite a bit.

Still, 200ug is a high dose, 5g is a high dose. They are comparable. I never said they were the same. I may be right and you may also be right. I've had 100ug of LSD blow a 200ug dose of the same batch clean out of the water. I've had 1.5g of mushrooms take me higher than 3g of the same. It's all very dependent on your set, setting and biochemistry at the time. So you may be right, and I may be right, and everyone may be right.



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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: PsyduckMonkey] * 1
    #26362483 - 12/05/19 08:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Or you have just had weak mushrooms. I take 200ug when I'm too chicken shit to eat 4g of mushrooms.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26362509 - 12/05/19 08:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Or you have just had weak mushrooms. I take 200ug when I'm too chicken shit to eat 4g of mushrooms.



I agree with you that high dose LSD is a more bearable experience than high dose mushrooms, but that's mainly because of the emotional component. LSD gives me a euphoria and strong encouragement / positive vibe that mushrooms don't. So yea, 200ug of LSD may be less scary than 4g of mushrooms - but in my mind that doesn't equate to less intense.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: PsyduckMonkey] * 2
    #26362511 - 12/05/19 08:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If you think 5g is equivalent to 200ug of LSD then I have nothing to say except that you are wrong.

An 8th of mushrooms is probably more intense than 200ug of LSD.



Then you either have a very high tolerance to LSD while a low one to mushies, or you've had a really sleazy dealer who sold you old or weak blotters.

200ug of LSD is a go to space dose for me. Heck, 100ug of LSD is upper stratosphere and a phone call to God. Then again I'm not trying to diss mushrooms, they are pretty powerful, and I like them quite a bit.

Still, 200ug is a high dose, 5g is a high dose. They are comparable. I never said they were the same. I may be right and you may also be right. I've had 100ug of LSD blow a 200ug dose of the same batch clean out of the water. I've had 1.5g of mushrooms take me higher than 3g of the same. It's all very dependent on your set, setting and biochemistry at the time. So you may be right, and I may be right, and everyone may be right.





You just have weak shrooms. 3.5g of cubes is more intense than 200ug (REAL DOSE). 5g is comparable to 400ug but still much more intense than LSD


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    #26362544 - 12/05/19 09:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe it's just two quite different experiences, and so it's simply not easy to compare them side by side?

I've had mushrooms that were on the high end of the cube spectrum, and yes, 3.5 is pretty darn strong, heck, 1.5 from that batch have taken me clean down.

Still, I'm under the heavy impression that you guys are trivializing the power of LSD. For me at least, 200ug of LSD on a clean system (no tripping for months) is... well... let me say I have trouble putting comparisons to it. It's like when Vegita's power meter breaks in Dragon Ball Z.


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    #26362618 - 12/05/19 09:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If you think 5g is equivalent to 200ug of LSD then I have nothing to say except that you are wrong.

An 8th of mushrooms is probably more intense than 200ug of LSD.



Then you either have a very high tolerance to LSD while a low one to mushies, or you've had a really sleazy dealer who sold you old or weak blotters.

200ug of LSD is a go to space dose for me. Heck, 100ug of LSD is upper stratosphere and a phone call to God. Then again I'm not trying to diss mushrooms, they are pretty powerful, and I like them quite a bit.

Still, 200ug is a high dose, 5g is a high dose. They are comparable. I never said they were the same. I may be right and you may also be right. I've had 100ug of LSD blow a 200ug dose of the same batch clean out of the water. I've had 1.5g of mushrooms take me higher than 3g of the same. It's all very dependent on your set, setting and biochemistry at the time. So you may be right, and I may be right, and everyone may be right.





You just have weak shrooms. 3.5g of cubes is more intense than 200ug (REAL DOSE). 5g is comparable to 400ug but still much more intense than LSD





Yep agreed 100%

I'm not sure how much LSD can be comparable to 5g of good cubes. I haven't taken enough LSD to get in that range. I could argue even a thumbprint couldn't be intense in the sense of the meat and potatoes of the trip. Yes the thumbprint will be long and draining but 5g if mushrooms transports you to another dimension that I don't think LSD has in it's makeup. And that's ok. LSD is different. That's all.


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    #26362746 - 12/05/19 10:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

LSD comes from the head. Mushrooms come from the heart.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: PsyduckMonkey] * 1
    #26362760 - 12/05/19 10:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If you think 5g is equivalent to 200ug of LSD then I have nothing to say except that you are wrong.

An 8th of mushrooms is probably more intense than 200ug of LSD.



Then you either have a very high tolerance to LSD while a low one to mushies, or you've had a really sleazy dealer who sold you old or weak blotters.

200ug of LSD is a go to space dose for me. Heck, 100ug of LSD is upper stratosphere and a phone call to God. Then again I'm not trying to diss mushrooms, they are pretty powerful, and I like them quite a bit.

Still, 200ug is a high dose, 5g is a high dose. They are comparable. I never said they were the same. I may be right and you may also be right. I've had 100ug of LSD blow a 200ug dose of the same batch clean out of the water. I've had 1.5g of mushrooms take me higher than 3g of the same. It's all very dependent on your set, setting and biochemistry at the time. So you may be right, and I may be right, and everyone may be right.





My guess is you have a weak ass LSD tolerance because you keep telling experienced LSD users that their buying bunk shit as if you've got the straightest connect in the world for the shit. how do you know what your tabs are mic'd at? you get every batch lab tested or trust some sketch ass dealer as well? estimate? I'd really like to know.


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    #26362819 - 12/05/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes, blotters vary and are often overreported. They can also go bad in storage, and lose most of their potency. If you want to have a good idea if how strong a blotter really is, dissolve it in water and try microdosing it.




Make sure its not tap water.

And blotters don't go bad and lose most of their potency very easy. That's a common misconception.


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    #26362825 - 12/05/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don’t know if I have a natural acid tolerance or something but this was WAY more intense than 675ug... i’ll write a trip report at some point


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    #26362846 - 12/05/19 11:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe bc it’s actually been about 2 weeks this time


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    #26362855 - 12/05/19 11:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If you think 5g is equivalent to 200ug of LSD then I have nothing to say except that you are wrong.

An 8th of mushrooms is probably more intense than 200ug of LSD.



Then you either have a very high tolerance to LSD while a low one to mushies, or you've had a really sleazy dealer who sold you old or weak blotters.

200ug of LSD is a go to space dose for me. Heck, 100ug of LSD is upper stratosphere and a phone call to God. Then again I'm not trying to diss mushrooms, they are pretty powerful, and I like them quite a bit.

Still, 200ug is a high dose, 5g is a high dose. They are comparable. I never said they were the same. I may be right and you may also be right. I've had 100ug of LSD blow a 200ug dose of the same batch clean out of the water. I've had 1.5g of mushrooms take me higher than 3g of the same. It's all very dependent on your set, setting and biochemistry at the time. So you may be right, and I may be right, and everyone may be right.





My guess is you have a weak ass LSD tolerance because you keep telling experienced LSD users that their buying bunk shit as if you've got the straightest connect in the world for the shit. how do you know what your tabs are mic'd at? you get every batch lab tested or trust some sketch ass dealer as well? estimate? I'd really like to know.





I get some of the best LSD on the planet. There a couple crystals that I am trying to locate, though. But I am on the right track







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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26362883 - 12/05/19 12:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I don’t know if I have a natural acid tolerance or something but this was WAY more intense than 675ug... i’ll write a trip report at some point




I really have no idea how much acid I used to take; best trips were from two blotters of white lightning. (Also had blue Micro-dots, brown domes, and some shit that I’m still convinced was laced with speed!)

But my first (liberty cap) mushroom experience, probably “heroic”, from memory, was INTENSE. As soon as the come up started , the black shapes on the horizon were definitely coming towards me, slowly, but surely. I was so scared. Took them with my more experienced ex. Very soon I was curled up on the settee begging her to ring my eldest brother, as “he would know what to do”! No he bloody wouldn’t have!

Anyway we got it together enough to go for a walk, and shit got much easier to deal with. But then I took them again with a few mates. Total approximation ‘ guess (full ASDA carrier bag wet liberties). We had about half a pint of thick black tea each! If I were to guess it equated to 30g+ dry, it would probably be an underestimation. That trip has stayed with me for the last 32 years! I’ll post a historic trip report at some point.

I laid off tripping until mid-2016, when I came off SSRIs after reading the research on mushrooms. Been self medicating since. While I was coming off the meds, I was taking up to 8g dry cubensis to get any effects. But after 6 months or so they were out of my system and the tripping really began. Since then, Nov 2016, I have taken between 3.5g and 5.5g cubensis dry. Even on the 3.5g doses I get a wonderful experience, learn loads, awesome music, great after-glow.

But even at these relatively low doses (compared to what I took 30 years ago before YouTube! and learned!), I still think they’re:

A completely different trip to lsd.
A more emotionally moving experience
A more intense come up
The lessons are harder to predict / navigate, I.e the mushrooms seem much more random and unpredictable than lsd.

I would love to get hold of lsd again to test out its self-analytical properties (James Fadiman). But in the meantime, natures gift of mushrooms is keeping my depression well at bay, and I have rediscovered my curiosity for the universe and why we’re here.

I can’t wait for the trip report, Koren 👊🏻

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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26362898 - 12/05/19 12:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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and some shit that I’m still convinced was laced with speed!






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    #26362906 - 12/05/19 12:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I get some of the best LSD on the planet. There a couple crystals that I am trying to locate, though. But I am on the right track




Yeah man, you've got several bits there I've got as well, top shelf blotter. Couple of things I've never seen, but I've got a few you miss as well.

I stopped buying LSD now, collection has seemed to have gotten out of hand.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: DJ Ed] * 2
    #26362915 - 12/05/19 12:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Blotters laced with speed are often rumored about, but doesn't make much sense.
A blotter can hold only very few milligrams of a substance. Amphetamines in the 2-3 milligram range have almost no effect. If any, then it would subside after four to five hours or so.
People rail lines of 30 to 50 milligrams to get lit. And intranasal it's a lot more potent than orally taken.

If you had blotters that gave you a lot of stimulation and restlessnes if coud have just been lsd. Sometimes it's very stimulating.
If I dose lsd I'm awake for at least 14 hours, sometimes unable to sleep up to 24 hours. It all depends on the dose, though.

Psychedelic dimethoxy amphetamines such as dimethoxy- bromo/chloro/methyl/iodo -amphetamine (DOB/DOC/DOM/DOI) feel pretty similar to lsd in certain doses. A full dose fits on a single blotter, and can last a looong time.
Like 15 (DOC) to 30 hours (DOB/DOM), depending on the substance and dose. These stimulate a lot and keep awake for days. Some of them have been around since the late 60s.

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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Northerner]
    #26362939 - 12/05/19 12:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I get some of the best LSD on the planet. There a couple crystals that I am trying to locate, though. But I am on the right track




Yeah man, you've got several bits there I've got as well, top shelf blotter. Couple of things I've never seen, but I've got a few you miss as well.

I stopped buying LSD now, collection has seemed to have gotten out of hand.





Yeah I've pretty much stopped buying it as well. There's definitely some awesome top shelf crystal I am missing but I will only buy the best of the best. Collecting is over because I think I have enough to last for personal use until I die. I'm sure theres many people who have hundreds if not thousands of hits..I only play with a few


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26363235 - 12/05/19 03:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It was crystals. I suppose similar colour and texture to mdma crystals. But I don’t remember the taste being as vile as mdma.

Took it on Christmas Eve and went to a punk concert, where loads of punks with mohicans etc were poguoing on the dance floor. Really intimidating night, not very psychedelic, as that was over[pwered by the stimulant effect.

Fuck me, it was Xmas eve 1987. Just had a flashback. It was one of the more weird acid evenings Out!

Can’t explain it. I know it sounds limp, lame. It was what it was.

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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26363242 - 12/05/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It was my worst Xmas day ever. We couldn’t sleep all night after we got back. 18 hours...


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26363274 - 12/05/19 03:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You dosed crystals?
Acid the size of a grain of salt is like ten doses. Must have been stash for several thousand bucks if you could make out the crystal struckture..
But isn't raw acid powdery /fluffy? I don't get it.  :confused:

Funny. On christmas '87 I was like 7 weeks old.

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    #26363290 - 12/05/19 04:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Haha yes it does feel a lifetime ago. Can’t exactly explain what it was. It was sold as acid, but we somehow knew about the speed. We were selling it.....nd it all sold. We sampled it on the Xmas eve then told our customers it was basically weird speed. I don’t know why I’ve always remembered it as acid??? I did “go mad” a few months later. Heavy psychedelics use over a two year period, including some HEROIC liberty cap experiences, and I literally thought I was going mad. I went to the local hospital and got to see this sort of outreach counsellor. He came out to my house once a week for ages. Eventually, for some reasons], after about three months, I asked him if he had ever taken acid. When he said NO, I realised I was on my own and asked him to leave. I had one more bad attempt on lsd, smashed up my prize stereo because Hawkwind were dragging me through the floor back into hell. Smashed it up in the garden. Been scarred for 30 years until 2016,W hen after reading loads of the research on mushrooms, I came off SSRIs and have never looked back.

I’m not a fake, bro, just a warped memory, still recovering!

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    #26365513 - 12/06/19 05:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Lsd and mushrooms are different

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    #26365553 - 12/06/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, i'm sure LSD is good and all, and i've had up to 3 hits personally, tried it a few times from 1 hit to 3 hits, and it's definitely useful, and i do need to work with it more in the future, but for me personally, the Tryptamines are where it's at, like DMT and Psilocin, particularly Ayahuasca or Psilohuasca, i don't need anything else really, i do wanna try Mescaline at some point, a few other research chems, and try LSD a few more times, but DMT and Psilocin are more than enough for me, particularly in the Huasca. After experimenting with the Huasca mainly/for the most of my Psychedelic experimentation, i don't really get all the fuss about LSD. Like i said, i'm sure LSD is great, it's been good for me so far, but i feel like it's too recreational and is more likely to be abused or not used to it's fullest potential by most people, whereas with DMT or Psilocin, they're more intense and more random and more ass kicking/disciplining and teaching, and that's what people need. LSD has been around since the 60's and has been used by many people, and a lot of those people, while they've probably had some great experiences and learned a good deal from it, i just don't see them getting what they would get from the Tryptamines, and i think that's what people need to get them to where they need to be. But i know a lot of people prefer LSD because it's gentler and more recreational whereas they get scared of the power and teachings of the Tryptamines, Tryptamines are more serious, imo.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26365572 - 12/06/19 05:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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So people say 5g mushrooms is a ton, but most online sources say it's equivalent to around 200ug acid. 200ug is not a lot of acid for me, i did 150ug in the morning once and had an entirely normal day. It does seem that my acid tolerance is naturally higher than others, but will 5g shrooms really give me a crazy experience?




You will get high for an extended period of time.

But yea as said above 5 grams of shrooms would be far stronger than a couple hits of acid. Providing the lsd is an average dose and the potency of shrooms are as well 5 grams will be a strong trip. Far more than 2 hits of lsd.


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    #26365622 - 12/06/19 06:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Try dosing LSD then about 45 minutes later dosing shroom tea or 4-AcO-DMT and you'll be in for a ride. Each one seems to add to what the other lacks and is probably my favourite combo of psyches to take.


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    #26370750 - 12/09/19 11:25 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Some of you guys seem to be taking this far too seriously. My point was that you're underestimating LSD and selling it short. Given that I love this psychedelic, I wanted to speak for it a little.

Sure I'm not certain of the dosage of my blotters, but I really find it hard to imagine that I've been consistently been sold 400-500ug blotters for the price of 200ug ones - I'd consider the opposite far more likely.

My LSD tolerance is "piss weak?" I'll take that as a compliment. I have a very fortunate biochemistry for psychedelic use - I know people who need twice, three times my doses for equivalent effects. Also, it's because of my respect for the psychedelic experience, and the restraint. Sure I'm talking shit to habitual LSD users. Habitual LSD users might have forgotten what LSD was like back when they were new - I've seen people write here in this forum that "LSD isn't a real psychedelic", well okay, certainly not for them, not anymore.

Whatever, if you want to know what LSD is like, stop doing LSD for a year and then make time for it. Also I'm not dissing mushrooms, but the venerable acid needs to be acknowledged. :P


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    #26370869 - 12/09/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, i'm sure LSD is good and all, and i've had up to 3 hits personally, tried it a few times from 1 hit to 3 hits, and it's definitely useful, and i do need to work with it more in the future, but for me personally, the Tryptamines are where it's at, like DMT and Psilocin, particularly Ayahuasca or Psilohuasca, i don't need anything else really, i do wanna try Mescaline at some point, a few other research chems, and try LSD a few more times, but DMT and Psilocin are more than enough for me, particularly in the Huasca. After experimenting with the Huasca mainly/for the most of my Psychedelic experimentation, i don't really get all the fuss about LSD. Like i said, i'm sure LSD is great, it's been good for me so far, but i feel like it's too recreational and is more likely to be abused or not used to it's fullest potential by most people, whereas with DMT or Psilocin, they're more intense and more random and more ass kicking/disciplining and teaching, and that's what people need. LSD has been around since the 60's and has been used by many people, and a lot of those people, while they've probably had some great experiences and learned a good deal from it, i just don't see them getting what they would get from the Tryptamines, and i think that's what people need to get them to where they need to be. But i know a lot of people prefer LSD because it's gentler and more recreational whereas they get scared of the power and teachings of the Tryptamines, Tryptamines are more serious, imo.



AL-LAD, LSD, ETH-LAD, and PRO-LAD are in Tihkal, so they’re tryptamines. I started off with DMT and mushrooms and didn’t want to try LSD that bad because it was synthetic, and mushrooms are natural. But LSD feels surprisingly natural, except for the stimulant feeling it can induce. LSD kicks people’s ass and is why the Beats call themselves beat, in reference to the Beatific vision, it’s as if drugs and the countercultural lifestyle are what’s responsible for the prevention of enough wealth to live a healthy life in combination with principles you adhered to. LSD or LSA derivatives have been around for at least thousands of years. There were sacred intoxications people in the know weren’t allowed to speak of, because spilling the secrets spelled death.
LSD comes from the lysergamide mold fungus, so it’s mushroom like in that way. I think it’s the dopamine aspect that makes it mostly different from mushrooms, so it lasts longer. I’m pretty sure the way it teaches you lessons are different too. They each have unique attributes.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Blabble40]
    #26370897 - 12/09/19 12:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would say 5g shrooms = 500ug. But it depends on the individual, for me 5g shrooms probably would be more intense.


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    #26371161 - 12/09/19 03:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Both are different, and both can outcompete each other in their different aspects. It’s best to go back & forth to balance their contrasts.

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    #26371241 - 12/09/19 03:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Its hard to compare two substances. But I'd say 500ug sounds real. I've eaten 10 strips before. The most mushrooms I've eaten were 86 wet grams. The ten strips are manageable but the visuals get so strong you cant see. I knew I was BPH and that I was tripping tho. I've been lost in the cosmos on 4 gram mush trips. To the point I didn't know what a human was or what I was  I trully became light and star dust. Hard to compare. Dose up and tell us what you think.


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Re: How will 5g mushrooms compare to acid? [Re: Bph]
    #26371306 - 12/09/19 04:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Acid can take you as deep as any tryptamine it's just different, there's no real comparisons one can make between them because they're not the same. LSD makes me analyze and think more than mushrooms do and has less of an emotional/spiritual quality to it but it can take me to the same places in my mind that shrooms, ayahuasca, DMT, mescaline etc have taken me.


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    #26371430 - 12/09/19 05:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Mushrooms can really grab ya unexpectedly even on a dose like 2 grams.


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