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DadPool9902
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First time Growing any Mushrooms question.
#26343022 - 11/24/19 05:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK, So I've been looking into growing mushrooms as a food source for a while. I came across a method I decided to try from a FreshcapMushrooms Youtube video, FreshcapMushrooms Bucket Method.. I bought Rye grain, Blue Oyster mushroom liquid Mycelium culture, and given my knack for experimenting with things, I always have a massive amount of clean buckets around. I used mason jars and a pressure cooker to sterilize the pre-soaked rye grain. And the Mycelium culture took off in four jars I created. I then used the pasteurization method in the video for the wood chips. I'm at the point now where I have way more bunches of pins than the video had. I have about 12 where the video had three or four. But they look really odd compared to the videos. in it, they used Blue Oyster mushrooms as well but my pins all look like this, 
 So my questions are. Is this normal? Did they abort? It's only been about a week since I've seen the pins first form, and there are still noticeable changes happening. I am looking forward to trying them and growing others but I'm hoping that this isn't a failed experiment.
If it helps I purchased the Blue Oyster Mushroom Liquid Mycelium Culture from off of Amazon from the Seller RootMushroom Farm. They also seem to have a website where they sell lots of Mushroom Growing supplies and strains of mushroom. I'd love some input so thanks in advance.
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: DadPool9902]
#26347911 - 11/27/19 05:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am not sure if I can help, because I have never worked with bucket myself .... From stories told by others, I learned that ALL primordia are dying. The reason: the primordia clog access for air. The mycelium can not breathe. Solution: Remove the lid more often to allow the mycelium to breathe again.
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: mariapilz]
#26348005 - 11/27/19 06:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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How do they look now? 1 thing. It looks like the holes you drilled are on the small side. Should be about 1/2-3/4". If I remember 3/4 is the optimal size off the top of my head without checking. I have done buckets. You don't need to take the top off of the buckets. If you do that then you would most likely get top pinning, which would then cause problems with being able to stack buckets. Also, one of the points of the holes is to control exactly where it fruits.
The picture you took? is that were you are fruiting them? Or do you have them in a fruiting tent?
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: seagu]
#26348170 - 11/27/19 09:13 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input. I went with the 1/4" holes because that is what the video recommended. But I will definitely try going larger. Also following that video I had been misting the pins multiple times a day. I started out using a garbage bag to control humidity. I guess I will need to do a better job of controlling humidity. Something I did notice is that after looking to under the lid I did have some mold. Not much at all but there is some.
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: mariapilz]
#26348176 - 11/27/19 09:15 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you. When I took the lid off I also noticed a small amount of mold. I think I am going to try again. And see if I can improve the setup.
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SHROOMSISAY01
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: DadPool9902]
#26348815 - 11/27/19 02:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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My guess is the misting is the problem. I would break those off and throw them away. They will never form proper mushrooms. If you are going to mist. Mist the bucket, not the mushrooms. You just want to raise the humidity around the mushroom. The water will evaporate from the bucket and raise the humidity a little. You really need a humidity tent to get good results. All and all it looks like you did a good job up to the point of fruiting.
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26349014 - 11/27/19 04:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm interested in what fresh cap mushrooms say. Really very interested. do you want to ask them ?!
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: mariapilz]
#26349078 - 11/27/19 05:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly, I haven't commented on their videos about this issue. I've left a number of comments with questions on other things but didn't really get much of a reply. It seems that they are active for a few days after a video posts but then more or less just keep to the newer videos.
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26349091 - 11/27/19 05:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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That pretty much goes with what I had been thinking. I wanted to ask questions to more knowledgable people first. I'll probably end up building a humidity tent soon and retrying. I'll look in the bucket to see if any mycelium is salvageable (I'm guessing not with the small amount of green mold on top. But I would like to do something with this and a few varieties of other mushrooms to provide some more food for the house. Thanks for the help.
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: DadPool9902]
#26349395 - 11/27/19 07:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I started out doing the buckets but I hated to do it that way. I switched to the mushroom bags. It is so much easier and worth the $0.50 for each bag. I can do 35 bags in an hour. I get at least 50 lbs from those 35 bags.
This is the greenhouse I started with...
https://www.walmart.com/ip/BestMassage-Mini-Greenhouse-56-5-x-56-5-x-76-Portable-Walk-In-Greenhouse/173790704
Here are the bags I use. This is the cheapest price you will find for unicorn bags...
https://myersmushrooms.com/shop?olsPage=products%2F200-mushroom-grow-bags-5-7-lb-14a
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: seagu]
#26349865 - 11/28/19 02:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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seagu said: How do they look now? 1 thing. It looks like the holes you drilled are on the small side. Should be about 1/2-3/4". If I remember 3/4 is the optimal size off the top of my head without checking.
My oysters pin from the needlehole made in the plastic, so the size of the holes doesn't really matter. but there will indeed be an optimal size. don't know what that is though!
aside from that, yes the pins have aborted.
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: Fergent]
#26350213 - 11/28/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fergent said:
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seagu said: How do they look now? 1 thing. It looks like the holes you drilled are on the small side. Should be about 1/2-3/4". If I remember 3/4 is the optimal size off the top of my head without checking.
My oysters pin from the needlehole made in the plastic, so the size of the holes doesn't really matter. but there will indeed be an optimal size. don't know what that is though!
aside from that, yes the pins have aborted.
Yes, I know they will pin from small holes and all that. But There is an optimal size like we both mention. There is an old thread on Shroomery here that mentions it. He had run a mushroom business from buckets many years back before I had started buckets many years back. He had run numerous tests on various sizes for optimal flushes based on hole size, similar to how tests were run on bag circumference sizes from others on flush size and all that. I am searching for the thread as I type this, but there are sooo many bucket threads now it's like a needle in a haystack. I suppose I should just go outside and measure my buckets' hole size since I had copied his results instead of reinventing the wheel . Plus, I remember drilling a few buckets with 1/2" once without checking and noticing a difference in bucket performance between the two sizes. So, I do remember the hole size now that I am talking about it.
I am certain that 1/4" while it will work, it will not have as good performance as bigger holes. Some people run 1", which I had too, when I first started with buckets many years back( I ran across one of my previous threads from a nick I lost my password to). Also, I just went and measured the hole size I use and it is 3/4". I never took pics of all the flushes I got from those buckets but I was running 30 buckets total on a 5 bucket per week rotation for 6 stacks of 5 high max. I still have mushrooms from them that I dehydrated. Mushrooms out my ears.....
A trash bag over the buckets to restrict FAE while the bucket is colonizing is good, but after it is colonized and ready for fruiting you don't want it on there as it will restrict the FAE that the Oysters need for fruiting. Which makes sense on why your pics look like they do, if I am understanding correctly that you still used the trash bags while they were fruiting to attempt to control humidity. The bucket itself should have enough water in it that you should be able to "open air" fruit the buckets and just mist them once a day. With the caveat that any extremes in your fruiting setup could swing things one way or another.
Also, plastic bags holes vs buckets holes, plastic bags stretch some, solid plastic buckets do not. And plastic bags, buckets, logs, baskets, books, wood logs with dowels, etc. are not created equal.
Which ever you do.. have fun shrooming.. my 2 cents. Worth.......
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: seagu]
#26354906 - 12/01/19 02:20 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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IME the smaller holes work better than the larger holes. Heres 1/4" vs 7/8"


I would choose the smaller holes. Buckets are a cool way to go.
I do all of my oysters open air. But I live in a place that has about 60% humidity. I think that I might be on the edge of whats acceptable for oysters.
Those clusters you have look like theyre dry to me. I would try and up the humidity if possible.
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I stand corrected. Although, IME the opposite has been true, except when I went to 1" and I never tried 1/4" since everything I have read until now said it was too small to be as effective for a consistent flush and nice big cluster sizing instead of a bunch of singles. But new things get discovered over the years.
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wildernessjunkie said: IME the smaller holes work better than the larger holes. Heres 1/4" vs 7/8"


I would choose the smaller holes. Buckets are a cool way to go.
I do all of my oysters open air. But I live in a place that has about 60% humidity. I think that I might be on the edge of whats acceptable for oysters.
Those clusters you have look like theyre dry to me. I would try and up the humidity if possible.
I agree that 1/4 is the best size hole for the buckets. Everyone knows oysters like to fruit from small spaces. So a small hole just makes sense.
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: DadPool9902]
#26357495 - 12/02/19 04:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I cleared out all the pins that were on there and kind of forgot about it for about a week. I'm now seeing much better pins forming. I guess this is the second flush. It looks pretty good so far compared to the other one.
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Re: First time Growing any Mushrooms question. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26360476 - 12/04/19 06:33 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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wildernessjunkie said: IME the smaller holes work better than the larger holes. Heres 1/4" vs 7/8"


I would choose the smaller holes. Buckets are a cool way to go.
I do all of my oysters open air. But I live in a place that has about 60% humidity. I think that I might be on the edge of whats acceptable for oysters.
Those clusters you have look like theyre dry to me. I would try and up the humidity if possible.
I agree that 1/4 is the best size hole for the buckets. Everyone knows oysters like to fruit from small spaces. So a small hole just makes sense.
Not everyone. Most all bucket grow videos show bigger holes. The ones I have seen with smaller holes show flushes that were not as good as I was getting with the 3/4" consistently. But again, I could be wrong. If I was still using buckets I would go buy one or 3 and drill some small holes and run some side by sides with the buckets I have already to prove myself right or wrong. But I am not using buckets anymore. Maybe I will get bored this spring and do it anyways just cause I know I am not convinced on smaller holes.
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DadPool9902 said: So I cleared out all the pins that were on there and kind of forgot about it for about a week. I'm now seeing much better pins forming. I guess this is the second flush. It looks pretty good so far compared to the other one.
Cool. No bag over it this time for fruiting?
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