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KingDinger
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So my dehydrator has no temperature control. The manufacturer claims it operates at 160°f (71°c), is this ok, and if not is there a way for me to manipulate this temperature?
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No unfortunately i don't think you'll be able to make it get hotter
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That is a somewhat hot temperature. They will dry fine though and fast, you will lose some potency but not a ton. Unideal but will do the job fasho
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Psilotyl said: That is a somewhat hot temperature. They will dry fine though and fast, you will lose some potency but not a ton. Unideal but will do the job fasho
I've read a lot of threads and posts here with people arguing about potency loss of slow drying at lower temperatures and fast drying at higher.
Majority seems to think that 12-18 (or however long is required to achieve "cracker dry") hours in higher temps ( I believe 165F - 180F were mentioned as good temps) preserves total potency more than slow dry (because due to water presence oxidation goes on for days before reaching highest possible dryness).
It has been mentioned a lot of times that the temperatures at which alkaloids (e.g. psilocybin) lose potency ("boil away"?) are much higher than majority of people assume - this is not drying herbal tea after all.
Don't think a lot of this is based on actual laboratory grade experiments of potency preservation as it would need a huge sample size of different mushroom batches to obtain a reliable average result. However, a lot of TCs here have years of first hand experience and observations combined with scientific background so I'm inclined to believe them.
Majority of people don't have access or simply don't care about it to a such an extent to run potency tests.
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Thank you for that great explanation. As a follow up, at 160° how ling is typicalish dry time?
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KingDinger - that depends on how wet your shrooms are ( usually +/- a few percent around 90%) and most importantly on the size of them. I've heard that sometimes people cut biggest ones in smaller pieces (like PE who are very fat/thick).
Just pick a temperature (highest your dehydrator goes - 160F in your case) and dry until they are cracker dry - that means when you try bending the stipe or the cap it snaps like a cracker instead of bending like a rubber. You can't really over-dry that easily so dry until the biggest pieces are completely dry.
You can always take the smaller ones out sooner if you are worried.
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KingDinger said: Thank you for that great explanation. As a follow up, at 160° how ling is typicalish dry time?
I pick mine and put them straight into the dehydrator baskets. They go for 12hrs at 140° and come out cracker dry for me.
I'd imagine it would take around 9 - 10 hours at 160°.
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KingDinger said: Thank you for that great explanation. As a follow up, at 160° how ling is typicalish dry time?
Depends entirely on the amount of mushrooms. Safe general bet that will never kill you would be start at 4 hours and go from there. You’ll almost certainly need more time, that’s playing it on the very safe side given I don’t know the yield. Very general. The beauty of the dehydrator is that it never takes too long, really.
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You can also split the stems in half to cut a lot of time off the process. This might not be feasible if you’re drying a large amount, but for a small, normal batch, it’s worth it.
If you’re worried about presentation, simply explain to those that you’re sharing with why it was done.. less time in the dehydrator means more potency—even if it isn’t necessarily true. Potency will always win over presentation.. if you don’t want them to know you grew them, do in third person form... “it was explained to me that...”
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I'm a presentation guy but that's a great way to explain it faht. There's also a lot to be said about torn stems with deep blue staining. Tell them "THAT is what's going to rock you." Even if it's a half truth.
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Definitely.. you also don’t have to tear them apart like that either.. I use to just keep em both attached to a full cap since the caps usually dry faster too. Or just pull the middle of the stem apart and keep the top and bottom attached.. hell, I might still have a pic from explaining it to someone back in the day.. yep..

The caps aren’t attached but I don’t think it was because I tore the stems. Not too much presentation lost there
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You got to talk to mr bovine Joni himself!
I have no idea what temp mine runs at but smaller shrooms, like 5-6gs wet are usually good after 4 hours.
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