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HELP. Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted
    #26359010 - 12/03/19 12:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have four shoeboxes all brf to bulk. Did a 1:1.5 ratio all to cvg. They started to bruise and I have been reading for the past two days going crazy trying to fix it. I beleive it's from the sub drying out. Theres seems to be some knotting starting but I dont want it to not pin. Can anyone help me out and point in the right direction. I didnt put a casing layer probably should have but I've been keeping wax paper over them the past 2 days. Hopefully they're salvagable


Came home to this 12/6

Some pins and what I believe are a decent amount of knots. Am I correct? And any advice on what to next to prevent further bruising and hopefully get them to pin


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: True43]
    #26359021 - 12/03/19 12:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It does indeed look very dry from the pictures. I would mist and/or bottom water it as needed. Did you bring your coir to field capacity before mixing with spawn?


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: shroomflow]
    #26359027 - 12/03/19 12:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have been misting three times a day. I used a bucket tek for the coir and from what I've read it was at field capacity. I squeezed and just a few drops came out. I mean I had to squeeze pretty hard so it was probably a little dry


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: True43]
    #26361202 - 12/04/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It was made too dry. My first one I made too wet and my second two I made too dry and looked identical to this. I got a TON of side pins from both then one triched out and the second one just never really seemed healthy and put out a couple more pins.

For some reason it’s hard to recover from too dry sub.

I would try pouring a cup of water in and letting it soak for an hour but I’m not sure if that would cause damage.


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: A.k.a]
    #26361240 - 12/04/19 03:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm about to bottom water right now. all of them definitely dried out and shrunk but 2 out of 3 have a lot of knotting but they're not pinning. hopefully i can bring it back atleast a little with the bottom water. I have a liner on all of them should i try and just pull the sub away as much as I can just to access the bottom? Also how much water would you suggest?


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: True43]
    #26362990 - 12/05/19 01:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don’t have much experience with it but I’d pour like a cup in and let it sit for two or three hours then pour out whatever’s not absorbed.


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: A.k.a]
    #26363045 - 12/05/19 01:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I was just about to make a post about bruised sub. Mines way worse, almost completely blue now. I just kinda figured it was part of the growth cycle. It's only happened the last 4 days and the pins first appeared about 2 weeks ago...

So does a bruised sub always mean its too dry?


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26363111 - 12/05/19 02:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty sure too wet will also do it.


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: A.k.a]
    #26363117 - 12/05/19 02:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck... then I have no idea which one it could be from...I'm leaning towars too dry because once I mist it, those little water beads dry up in 5ish hrs...so I think my FAE might be a bit high...


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26363171 - 12/05/19 02:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ditch the wax paper. When did you start mistings? Does it feel like it has some weight to it?


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26363179 - 12/05/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Mine is bluing also, but still fruiting. I'm waiting for them to mature so I can dunk my tub. Dunking should rehydrate it, so it didn't work for you?


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Failboat]
    #26363875 - 12/05/19 08:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Why ditch the wax paper? And I started misting right when I was put them into fruiting conditions. They have a little weight but definitely shrunk. I bottom watered yesterday about 15 ML each and 2 got a 2 more pins each and all produced more knots.


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26363877 - 12/05/19 08:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I also lowered my fae


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: True43] * 1
    #26363908 - 12/05/19 09:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So many problems occur due to not casing at spawning and immediately exposing to fruiting conditions.


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Nichrome] * 1
    #26363912 - 12/05/19 09:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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So many problems occur due to not casing at spawning and immediately exposing to fruiting conditions.



This. Use a coir top layer and introduce FAE immediately and you will be fine. Your sub is most likely bruising due to bacterial contamination, clean subs don’t bruise unless you really mistreat them


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26364320 - 12/06/19 05:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You're saying to case it now?


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: True43] * 1
    #26364410 - 12/06/19 07:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

hes saying you shouldve cased it from the time you put spawn to sub


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Phycus]
    #26364432 - 12/06/19 07:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

When did you start misting? Over misting early causes matting. Looks like you had some fruits developing in pic 2.


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Failboat]
    #26364464 - 12/06/19 07:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Much misinformation this thread. Not casing and introducing fruiting early causes problems? Many of us grow tubs packed with fruits doing this very thing every day. Not saying I know op's problem but it's not either of those things. Also ditch the wax paper, also a proven unnecessary weird thing.


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Smartattack]
    #26364467 - 12/06/19 07:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid: I suspect it was misted to death.


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Failboat]
    #26364570 - 12/06/19 09:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Here’s mine pinning through the blue myc. It def had some bacteria in it to start with.



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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Smartattack]
    #26364571 - 12/06/19 09:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Much misinformation this thread. Not casing and introducing fruiting early causes problems? Many of us grow tubs packed with fruits doing this very thing every day. Not saying I know op's problem but it's not either of those things. Also ditch the wax paper, also a proven unnecessary weird thing.



What I was mostly saying is for this situation he should add a top layer of some sort and ditch the wax paper as you said. Not casing and early FAE in general does not cause problems unless it gets too xtreme


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Failboat]
    #26364582 - 12/06/19 09:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I believe I did over most then as a result of the surface being over misted the sub wasnt taking in water anymore. The bottom water helped well see how they look when I get home

Came home to some pins on the one shoebox, the few mushies that were growing on the other got bigger, and I think all have knotting. Someone correct me if I'm mistaken please



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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Failboat]
    #26364841 - 12/06/19 11:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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:whathesaid: I suspect it was misted to death.




Moisture does not prevent pinning. 


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Re: HELP. Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: True43]
    #26364965 - 12/06/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Nichrome]
    #26364997 - 12/06/19 12:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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:whathesaid: I suspect it was misted to death.




Moisture does not prevent pinning. 



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There's a difference between your sub being moist and your sub having standing water on top of it. You need evaporation, not condensation. The picture of the LC is an example of moist sub, the broth solution.


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Failboat]
    #26365102 - 12/06/19 01:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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:whathesaid: I suspect it was misted to death.




Moisture does not prevent pinning. 



:buzzaldrin:
There's a difference between your sub being moist and your sub having standing water on top of it. You need evaporation, not condensation. The picture of the LC is an example of moist sub, the broth solution.




This "matted" mycelium developed on top of the water. This one actually matted and fruited out 4 times with a full swirl between. Matting is a response to water level but does not prevent pinning. It just adapts its behavior to create its own micro climate. Water inherently is not detrimental. Other things like competitive/pathogenic bacteria present in the water or caused by the wet environment can be though...

BRF is very available nutrition. Once your cakes are colonized you could just lay them out in your tub whole but next to each other touching at the edges. A 1 inch layer of bulk/casing at the bottom. Fill in the holes imbetween and case on top 1/4". Results will rival grain tubs. Breaking cakes apart only delays the inevitable (fruiting!) by some days as the mycelium has to recolonize and fight off (in this case succumb to) the plethora of organisms you introduced when breaking them up. each jar is a colony on its own with its own bio-rhythm, immune system, and behavioral tendencies. Good luck and keep at it. There is only time.

It is the competitive organisms not the water that are the issue with primordia forming in a healthy fashion.


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Re: Shoeboxes bruising blue may be matted [Re: Nichrome]
    #26365125 - 12/06/19 01:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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