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vinnie boombotz
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Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be?
#26358995 - 12/03/19 12:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can't find any info on this. Any idea of what species this could possibly be?
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: vinnie boombotz]
#26359432 - 12/03/19 03:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've never heard of this species before. It's apparently a valid name: http://www.speciesfungorum.org/Names/SynSpecies.asp?RecordID=222028
Appears to me that you have got the most information on this species, unless there are other members here that have more. Have you got any idea where in the world it's supposed to grow?
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: Anglerfish]
#26359492 - 12/03/19 04:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks like there’s not much aside from a few scientific (maybe even only one..) papers from around the turn of the century. From what I read it’s a tiny fungi that grows on cereal grains. Maybe something akin to rye ergot?
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: Magic Badger]
#26359556 - 12/03/19 04:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe Jungner was an early german biologist; I'm not sure if this fungus would land anywhere near the genus Psilocybe under today's criteria
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: Moria841]
#26359799 - 12/03/19 06:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: Moria841]
#26359825 - 12/03/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, I wasn't satisfied with leaving this here. I did a little detective work and I'm back with some more information. I found the original text by Jungner in German and translated it as best I could to English. Basically, the mushroom was found in the Grand Duchy of Posen, or present-day Poland. Jungner wrote that the mushroom was similar to but different than Psilocybe foenisecio, which we now call Panaeolus foenisecii.
The story goes that Jungner found sclerotia upon dead and dying rye and wheat leaves that had been infested with fly larva. Bringing the sclerotia home, Jungner noticed that the sclerotia began to form mushrooms. They were then also found several times in the wild, where Jungner specifically states that they grew near rye in wet boggy soil.
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Here's the best interpretation and translation of Jungner's description I could come up with:
Stipe: The stem extends from the middle of the underside of the cap, reaching a length of about 8 cm and a diameter of about 2 - 5 mm. In the lower part and the upper part it is often slightly curved. The colour is gray-white, later of brown color. When fresh it is cylindrical, but flattens out somewhat when dry or old; At the base near the sclerotium the stem appears full, but the rest of the length is hollow.
Cap: The cap is convex, slightly campanulate (see Table VII, Fig. 3), and reaches a diameter of about 10 - 18 mm. It is initially gray near the apex, later brown in color, which becomes darker toward the margin. The cap is very finely hairy/fibrous, but in macroscopic terms it is smooth. When young, the cap is mostly one colour. When the lamellae have developed and broadened the cap is occasionally slightly radially striated at the margin. The gills are of different lengths. Those which reach the stem alternate fairly regularly with half-radius second order lamellae. Third order are only a few millimeters long. At first of a gray color, the lamellae become wider and more brown with age, and finally darker.
Spores: The spores are of the same size as those of the Coprinus stercoreus, or about 10 - 13 x 6 - 7 μ, but in contrast to the latter, which look blackish, they appear reddish brown.
He also provided an illustration!

Thus, Psilocybe henningsii is likely a saprophytic Panaeolus mushroom that grows on or near cereal grains, probably now called another Panaeolus species name. Maybe even P. cinctulus? I'd love to hear what you guys think!
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: Moria841]
#26359865 - 12/03/19 07:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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But I've never seen red pan cinctulus sclerotia. Sometimes sort of brown. But generally blue. Never red. Maybe Allen knows?
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: d0urd3n]
#26359902 - 12/03/19 08:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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d0urd3n said: But I've never seen red pan cinctulus sclerotia. Sometimes sort of brown. But generally blue. Never red. Maybe Allen knows?
I'm not saying it's definitely what we call Panaeolus cinctulus, in fact I highly doubt it is-- that was just a fun thought I had while going through this. But I'm confident that whatever he found would probably be placed in the genus Panaeolus today.
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: Moria841]
#26359906 - 12/03/19 08:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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All the information I have found is in German and that doesn't do anything for me.
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  Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: Doc9151]
#26359913 - 12/03/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh yeah, this is not listed under any other name, unless it hasn't been updated yet at indexfungorum.org
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: Moria841]
#26359999 - 12/03/19 09:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moria841 said:
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d0urd3n said: But I've never seen red pan cinctulus sclerotia. Sometimes sort of brown. But generally blue. Never red. Maybe Allen knows?
I'm not saying it's definitely what we call Panaeolus cinctulus, in fact I highly doubt it is-- that was just a fun thought I had while going through this. But I'm confident that whatever he found would probably be placed in the genus Panaeolus today.
For sure. Just throwing thoughts out there. Based on the illustrations and the presence of sclerotia I see where you were going with it and I could be very wrong. Interesting he mentions bogs. I am in no way qualified to even be taking about this. I just found the post interesting and have seen pan cinctulus on agar and on grain. Very interested.
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: d0urd3n]
#26360439 - 12/04/19 05:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thatd be a cool print. Interesting post Mr. Boombotz.
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: Doc9151]
#26361272 - 12/04/19 03:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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All the information I have found is in German and that doesn't do anything for me.
Here is your translation service, if you need one.
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Re: Psilocybe henningsii?? What could this be? [Re: handeloh]
#26361280 - 12/04/19 03:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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