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esmerelda
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Cyanescens Question and ID
#26358884 - 12/03/19 10:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello,
I found these in a spot I've found Cyanescens before... but these are a lot paler. Otherwise, I see no difference. It's quite late in the season now. Has anyone experience of them changing colour like this?
I'm waiting for a spore print, but already tried this last week (with a bunch I dumped due to doubt) and some of them didn't print. Is this also usual later in the season?
The spot is coastal, around dead firns.
Also, local people seem to call Psilocybe Cyanescens 'Hypes' over here (Channel Islands, UK). Is that what you would also call them?
Thanks!



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Re: Cyanescens Question and ID [Re: esmerelda]
#26358897 - 12/03/19 11:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would call these Psilocybe cyanescens
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Re: Cyanescens Question and ID [Re: Moria841]
#26358898 - 12/03/19 11:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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UK, you say? Hmmm... Interesting. To me they look more like p. allenii.
Yeah, when they start to dry up a bit they turn this pale. Definitely psilocybe
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Re: Cyanescens Question and ID [Re: ZenZone]
#26358903 - 12/03/19 11:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ZenZone said: UK, you say? Hmmm... Interesting. To me they look more like p. allenii.
Yeah, when they start to dry up a bit they turn this pale. Definitely psilocybe 
Psilocybe allenii doesn't occur in the UK, and this mushroom does not deform and become wavy like P. cyanescens. Deformation of P. allenii occurs only in large, old specimens
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Re: Cyanescens Question and ID [Re: Moria841]
#26358957 - 12/03/19 11:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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They are "paler" due to less moisture. I have found cyans to have a pretty wide range of morphologies - between different patches and substrates, but also within a single.patch as season progresses. My assumption has always been that morphology changes as amount of nutrients available decreases as mushroom consumes them. At the end of a life cycle of a patch, for instance, there will only be a small number of very small delicate fruits. I think you're just observing the natural changes which occur in the life cycle of a cyanescens patch. Nothing lasts forever (unless you keep adding fresh woodchips) - a given patch will break down and consume a given amount of woodchips over a given amount of time. Usually 2-3 years with a few stragglers the last year. I have found patches that had such an explosive first season fruiting that they consumed the substrate in one go and never fruited again...
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Re: Cyanescens Question and ID [Re: Hamra]
#26359093 - 12/03/19 01:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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They are Psilocybe cyanescens, this is a hygrophanous species and that is why they are changing colors., make sure that they all bruise bluish before consuming.
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Re: Cyanescens Question and ID [Re: Doc9151]
#26359528 - 12/03/19 04:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you everyone, and especially Hamra, very nice info
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Re: Cyanescens Question and ID [Re: Hamra]
#26359540 - 12/03/19 04:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hamra said: I have found patches that had such an explosive first season fruiting that they consumed the substrate in one go and never fruited again...
Wow, that's crazy
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Re: Cyanescens Question and ID [Re: ZenZone]
#26359899 - 12/03/19 08:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ZenZone said:
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Hamra said: I have found patches that had such an explosive first season fruiting that they consumed the substrate in one go and never fruited again...
Wow, that's crazy 
It's amazing how fast some species can rip through a substrate. I had some Psilocybe ovoidiocystidiata that never made it to fruiting because they ate a 40 gallon pot of wood shavings in a few months. The entire center had been eaten away and was a huge hollow pace with about a 1/4" thick shell lining the pot.
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Re: Cyanescens Question and ID [Re: Doc9151]
#26359900 - 12/03/19 08:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc9151 said:
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ZenZone said:
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Hamra said: I have found patches that had such an explosive first season fruiting that they consumed the substrate in one go and never fruited again...
Wow, that's crazy 
It's amazing how fast some species can rip through a substrate. I had some Psilocybe ovoidiocystidiata that never made it to fruiting because they ate a 40 gallon pot of wood shavings in a few months. The entire center had been eaten away and was a huge hollow space with about a 1/4" thick shell lining the pot.
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  Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593
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Re: Cyanescens Question and ID [Re: Doc9151]
#26360057 - 12/03/19 09:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's crazy doc. I've learned that Psilocybe cyanescens sure does love cardboard.
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