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YogiBear



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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: eatyualive]
#26363169 - 12/05/19 02:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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TEK COMPLETED AND UPDATED REREAD IN ORDER ---------
I think oats are the bomb. 
All I do is rinse 6 times, add desired water and PC
Updated the Tek with new weight tables and extra rinses at Step 2
Step 2: Do as many warm tap water rinses that you can do in 2 minutes. (I can do 5-7 rinses easy)
Knocking up 7 new jars tomorrow: 3 cup at 75% (325g:108g)
Will post results in a couple of weeks... of myc growth πππ
Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:42 AM)
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: YogiBear]
#26365991 - 12/06/19 10:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:42 AM)
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Re: π₯π₯ Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) [Re: YogiBear]
#26366016 - 12/06/19 10:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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those look nice! I like oats, I have encountered some bad bags tho... it was "farmers friend" brand. using rye now tho
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Re: π₯π₯ Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) [Re: TedsDead]
#26366022 - 12/06/19 10:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'm not totally understanding the hydration % calculation you're using here - 86g water to 275g oats, and adding the 65 g from the soak time gets us 151g h2o:275 g oats, or ~55%? not 70%. am I missing something? my oats have been around 90% h2o by weight when they've finished drying.
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: trubblesome]
#26366172 - 12/07/19 01:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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trubblesome said: i'm not totally understanding the hydration % calculation you're using here - 86g water to 275g oats, and adding the 65 g from the soak time gets us 151g h2o:275 g oats, or ~55%? not 70%. am I missing something? my oats have been around 90% h2o by weight when they've finished drying.
If you get 65g of water from the soak then when you see the 65g on the scale you take a bottle of drinking water and keep adding water until you reach the water weight you are looking for.
In your example you would add 21g more water to the grain in addition to the 65g that it soaked up from the 2 minutes of rinsing. 86g total.
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Sounds like you are comparing a soak and simmer result to this method for hydration. You will get more water on the front end of the process if you soak and simmer. With this no soak/no simmer method the oats get 2/3 of the water it needs in 2 minutes and it absorbs the other 1/3 during the PC cycle and cooling process. Funny to watch the grains dry as they cool until they are hydrated and perfect when ready to inoculate.
Soak and simmer methods are based on intuition largely. May I ask how you determine that your grain is at 90% hydration? Whats your base line for moisture content ie grams of water per gram of grain that you are using?
Heres what I know from testing oats "with this method". After testing 20 quarts of grain:water ratio combos i determinded 260g of oats will hold 125g of water and provide only a few burst grains and it was ever so slightly sticky. Like 2% sticky. From this result Im suggesting 275g of oats to 110g of water to be the safe max hydration without sticking. See how I went up 15g on the grain and down 5g on water dry things up a bit so the max water level doesnt give sticky grains.
Long story short 45g of water per 100g of grain is the max level of water that this Tek will allow for. All my water percentages are based on this information.
Just remember that soak and simmer with give more water in the grains on the front end but you have to go on intuition with soak and simmer and have no hard numbers to work with for experimenting.
Here you have a method of introducing EXACTLY how much water you want in the grains per gram of grains so you can fine tune your work.
Most scientific method of testing grain moisture content if you ask me. Now you can do multiple moisture contents in each batch of PCed grain to determine what % of water each different type of mycelium likes the most.
Experiment away!!!
Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:43 AM)
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: YogiBear]
#26366203 - 12/07/19 02:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you are ever unsure what percentage of moisture and grain amount i would highly suggest the:
300g of oats to 100g of water
It gives you just under 3 cups of spawn at about 75% moisture which is pretty juicy for this tek.
Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:43 AM)
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Re: π₯π₯ Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) [Re: YogiBear]
#26366476 - 12/07/19 08:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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YogiBear said:
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trubblesome said: i'm not totally understanding the hydration % calculation you're using here - 86g water to 275g oats, and adding the 65 g from the soak time gets us 151g h2o:275 g oats, or ~55%? not 70%. am I missing something? my oats have been around 90% h2o by weight when they've finished drying.
If you get 65g of water from the soak then when you see the 65g on the scale you take a bottle of drinking water and keep adding water until you reach the water weight you are looking for.
In your example you would add 21g more water to the grain in addition to the 65g that it soaked up from the 2 minutes of rinsing. 86g total.
okay but 86 g h20:275g oats is 31% H2O not 70%...
in your example above that's 33.33% hydration, are you calculating by finding (g oats/total g)*100 or something?
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Re: π₯π₯ Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) [Re: trubblesome]
#26366494 - 12/07/19 08:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I may try this out for funsies.
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: trubblesome]
#26366608 - 12/07/19 09:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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trubblesome said:
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YogiBear said:
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trubblesome said: i'm not totally understanding the hydration % calculation you're using here - 86g water to 275g oats, and adding the 65 g from the soak time gets us 151g h2o:275 g oats, or ~55%? not 70%. am I missing something? my oats have been around 90% h2o by weight when they've finished drying.
If you get 65g of water from the soak then when you see the 65g on the scale you take a bottle of drinking water and keep adding water until you reach the water weight you are looking for.
In your example you would add 21g more water to the grain in addition to the 65g that it soaked up from the 2 minutes of rinsing. 86g total.
okay but 86 g h20:275g oats is 31% H2O not 70%...
in your example above that's 33.33% hydration, are you calculating by finding (g oats/total g)*100 or something?
Please reread my post to you bud. The answer is there
Long story short the most water this tek allows for is 45g of water per 100g of oats before things get sticky in the jars. Thats 45g of water is my base line which is the 100% figure that I derive my percentages from. Not weight of water % to weight of oats π
Just try the TEK example that is laid out and you will have nice clean hydrated oats to experiment with π
Try different percentages in one batch to find what you like for different mycelium. There is years worth if testing that can be done with this Tek to fine tune your mycology game.
Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:44 AM)
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: Smartattack]
#26366615 - 12/07/19 10:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Smartattack said: I may try this out for funsies.
I think every oats person should try 80%, 70%, and 60% moisture once just to see what the grains actually look like knowing how much water is in there π
Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:44 AM)
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Re: π₯π₯ Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) [Re: YogiBear]
#26366714 - 12/07/19 11:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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This might be asking too much. But could you breaks down a Quick total weight of grain and total water volume per 10 quarts. Then Th e recipe could be for a total pc batch. Thanks! 
Or it might already be present but I couldnβt read the bright text on the background I have on.
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: eatyualive]
#26366735 - 12/07/19 11:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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eatyualive said: This might be asking too much. But could you breaks down a Quick total weight of grain and total water volume per 10 quarts. Then Th e recipe could be for a total pc batch. Thanks! 
Or it might already be present but I couldnβt read the bright text on the background I have on.
Thanks for the heads up on the skin colors. I have so busy with other stuff i didnt know there was idfferent schemes! LOL
I removed all my color options and it should automatically select a good color to read againstπ
Working on your quart total eats
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Re: π₯π₯ Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) [Re: YogiBear]
#26366736 - 12/07/19 11:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: eatyualive]
#26366750 - 12/07/19 11:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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eatyualive said: This might be asking too much. But could you breaks down a Quick total weight of grain and total water volume per 10 quarts. Then Th e recipe could be for a total pc batch. Thanks! 
Or it might already be present but I couldnβt read the bright text on the background I have on.
I see what you are asking now., i think
If you used these water ratio with a soak and simmer method youd have burst crispy oats unless you are saying that youd just put water and oats in the pc???
Youd have to do some testing on that and let us know what you cone up with.
What I like
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Re: Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: YogiBear]
#26368305 - 12/08/19 04:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Refined the process down to 4 steps
30 minutes for 7 jars 45 minutes for 10 jars
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Re: Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: YogiBear]
#26368572 - 12/08/19 08:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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trubblesome said: i'm not totally understanding the hydration % calculation you're using here - 86g water to 275g oats, and adding the 65 g from the soak time gets us 151g h2o:275 g oats, or ~55%? not 70%. am I missing something? my oats have been around 90% h2o by weight when they've finished drying.
this is still not the actual moisture content, as it's ignoring the natural moisture in the grains.
It makes sense to talk in those terms as it is practical for recipes, as long as people know what is being said.
A typical recipe would be to add 100g water to 100g grain. If the grain is 10% natural moisture then you end up with 110g water and 90g bone dry grain. So it is now at 45% moisture up from it's original 10%
I did some calculations here about commonly used recipes https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4371401
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YogiBear said: Long story short 45g of water per 100g of grain is the max level of water that this Tek will allow for.
this is not mentioned in the first post and I had absolutely no idea where the moisture content was coming from. Especially as it was described as "moisture %" rather than added water.
If the oats are naturally 12% moisture then 45g water added to 100g results in a moisture content of 39.3%. This is much lower than most recipes. In the thread I linked RR says
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RogerRabbit said: I've found that rye and other grains colonize faster when prepared on the dry side. Let them colonize this way, and then do a dunk/soak to put the moisture in for the flush. The grain tek I use, which I've posted several times on this board and demonstrate in my DVD, results in about 40% water content by weight. RR
But it is not clear if he means that as added water or genuine overall moisture. I suspect he meant added water so the actual moisture content would be higher.
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Re: Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: blackout]
#26368583 - 12/08/19 08:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oats will come at 12% or less moisture content when dry and ready for sale. This thread ignores that so i naturally would assume the thread means added water based on grain weight. But clarity is helpful.
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Re: Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: bodhisatta]
#26368664 - 12/08/19 09:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Oats will come at 12% or less moisture content when dry and ready for sale. This thread ignores that so i naturally would assume the thread means added water based on grain weight. But clarity is helpful.
Hey guys just got home from the store. Will reply with a message soon that covers the topic throughly.
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Moisture Percentages Explained β€οΈπππ [Re: bodhisatta]
#26369711 - 12/08/19 07:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Oats will come at 12% or less moisture content when dry and ready for sale. This thread ignores that so i naturally would assume the thread means added water based on grain weight. But clarity is helpful.
π₯π₯π₯π₯π₯π₯π₯π₯π₯
MOISTURE PERCENTAGES EXPLAINED
There is no attempt by this Tek to claim to have knowledge of what the "actual" moisture content of the grain is before or after the Tek.
I dont have a clue what the moisture percentage of the grain is when it is pulled out of a #50lb bag. I figure they are all pretty much the same and go with that.
If your oats are holding a little more moisture than you would like to see then just choose a lower percentage of moisture from the % charts.
If you use this Tek to the "T" the most water you can get to absorb without having sticky grains is right at 275g of oats to 120g of water. Too much math to share but my 100% is based on this moisture content base line. It figures out to about 45g of water to 100g of oats as the 100% mark and works its way down from there.
You don't have to understand the math to experience the magic πππ
Give the Tek a shot with different percentages to see if wetter or dryer is better for the mycelium you are currently working with.
Don't make this Tek harder than it is guys π
Edited by YogiBear (12/11/19 12:10 PM)
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Re: Moisture Percentages Explained β€οΈπππ [Re: YogiBear]
#26370354 - 12/09/19 07:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Itβs pretty simple to find out how much something is hydrated....
Take weight prior to your tek then after wards and put in percentage
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